Spurs surpassed expectations in the 2013-14 premiership season

[Mullers]

It never ends does it.

AVB left because his relationships with everyone at the club broke down (bit helped by Sherwoods plotting). At the meeting after the liverpool game they never expected to be sacking him but when Levy asked him to play Ade and AVB refused and that was the final straw for both of them. AVB wanted out and Levy was happy enough with that.

Is that opinion or fact?

Mutual consent. Agreed by both parties. Not sacked. It's there in black and white.

Just because Levy said it was by mutual consent it doesn't mean that it was.

 

[only1waddle]

Is that opinion or fact?

Just because Levy said it was by mutual consent it doesn't mean that it was.

Hold up a second Mullers, your pulling people up for using opinion, then pulling people up for using facts just because it doesn't fit your anti Levy agenda.
As previously stated, all we have FACT wise at the moment is he left by mutual consent.

 

[Mullers]

Hold up a second Mullers, your pulling people up for using opinion, then pulling people up for using facts just because it doesn't fit your anti Levy agenda.
As previously stated, all we have FACT wise at the moment is he left by mutual consent.

I'm questioning the factual evidence, I'm questioning whether it is a fact just because Levy is saying so. Should I believe god exists just because someone told me so?

 

[only1waddle]

I'm questioning the factual evidence, I'm questioning whether it is a fact just because Levy is saying so. Should I believe god exists just because someone told me so?

Ok, my opinion is they are both extremely stubborn men, wouldn't budge and so decided a mutual termination was the only way forward.
Still opinion but looking at the intense hassle AvB was getting from the press around that time, criticism for style of play and coupled with his time at Chelsea where he ended up sleeping at the training ground, trying to work out why training routines wouldn't replicate into match day, i don't think he wanted to go down that route again.
It was all becoming a bit Deja vu for him, at least that was what it looked like to me.

 

[Mullers]

Ok, my opinion is they are both extremely stubborn men, wouldn't budge and so decided a mutual termination was the only way forward.
Still opinion but looking at the intense hassle AvB was getting from the press around that time, criticism for style of play and coupled with his time at Chelsea where he ended up sleeping at the training ground, trying to work out why training routines wouldn't replicate into match day, i don't think he wanted to go down that route again.
It was all becoming a bit Deja vu for him, at least that was what it looked like to me.

Let us say your opinion is true, do you think Levy will sack the next manager if we get CL but our style of play is boring?

 

[only1waddle]

Let us say your opinion is true, do you think Levy will sack the next manager if we get CL but our style of play is boring?

Tough one, if he got CL then i don't think he would. However, i think it was a combination of things with AvB.

 

[Mullers]

Tough one, if he got CL then i don't think he would. However, i think it was a combination of things with AvB.

So then would it be fair of me to suggest that if AVB had got CL football last season and was in the mix this season he wouldn't have been sacked?

 

[only1waddle]

So then would it be fair of me to suggest that if AVB had got CL football last season and was in the mix this season he wouldn't have been sacked?

I think Levy would have been more patient yes, but i think that would go for any of Man C, Arsenal, Chelsea, Man Utd, maybe even Liverpool if they drop out next season, the whole nature of football management has changed, there are not many patient chairmen/owners left at the top end of the table.

 

[guiltyparty]

No, as I said, reading between the lines. The statement, Ade's comments, Burt's mouthpiece reports, AVB comments. The most rounded way of reading into it

I never said it was fact, it's what I believe on the evidence that's been made public

Is that opinion or fact?

Just because Levy said it was by mutual consent it doesn't mean that it was.

He's not said it before. Why change the habit of a lifetime? Redknapp statement was clear they were offing him, as with Jol and Ramos

 

[Bobbins]

Is that opinion or fact?

Just because Levy said it was by mutual consent it doesn't mean that it was.

It's fact according to Jason Burt, AVB's friend, respected journo and regular writer of articles on him.

It's fact according to all the ITK we've had.

The mutual consent is fact because it's quite literally a fact, written right there in front of you. We've not issued statements about mutual consent before, take the sacking of Redknapp:

"This is not a decision the board and I have taken lightly. Harry arrived at the club at a time when his experience and approach was exactly what was needed.

"This decision in no way detracts from the excellent work Harry has done during his time with the Club and I should like to thank him for his achievements and contribution. Harry will always be welcome at the Lane."

Or the sacking of Jol:

"We can confirm that the board has this evening asked Martin Jol, the club manager, and Chris Hughton, the first team coach, to stand down from their positions with immediate effect,"

As usual you're dismissing absolutely every shred of evidence as though it doesn't exist unless Daniel Levy personally comes and tells you himself, then drags AVB into the room and gets him to confirm it all.

It was by mutual consent and we all know the reasons why - stop making stuff up and openly trolling to suit your own false and incorrect agenda. It's getting beyond a joke now.

 

[Mullers]

It's fact according to Jason Burt, AVB's friend, respected journo and regular writer of articles on him.

It's fact according to all the ITK we've had.

The mutual consent is fact because it's quite literally a fact, written right there in front of you. We've not issued statements about mutual consent before, take the sacking of Redknapp:



Or the sacking of Jol:



As usual you're dismissing absolutely every shred of evidence as though it doesn't exist unless Daniel Levy personally comes and tells you himself, then drags AVB into the room and gets him to confirm it all.

It was by mutual consent and we all know the reasons why - stop making stuff up and openly trolling to suit your own false and incorrect agenda. It's getting beyond a joke now.

What stuff have I made up and what trolling have I done?
I'm questioning the evidence there is nothing wrong with that, so why are you objecting it to it? I asked several times in the past for evidence to be brought forward and you and others haven't done it.

The evidence is it was mutal consent because Levy says it was and he's never said it before so that means it's a fact. Not for me, as I'm not a BSoDL believing everything he says.
The Jason Burt article is a very interesting read and certainly believable but where is the actual evidence in that article there are no quotes? No hard evidence but your saying I should believe it 100% as fact because Jason Burt is a friend of AVB's? It's really down to the reader to decide whether to believe or not.
But you can say I'm just trolling if you want.
If it is a fact that Levy suggested that AVB play with two strikers and play Ade then it actually paints Levy in a bad light.

 

[Bobbins]

I give up. You've been given every shred of evidence and you continue to be a dick about it to absolutely everyone. You either have serious mental health issues or are simply the biggest WUM troll on the site.

Actually going to have to put you on ignore as I can't deal with the Levy made up bullshit being spammed by you in every single thread and front page article. Don't ignore anyone on here but you are actually taking the piss now.

 

[guiltyparty]

What stuff have I made up and what trolling have I done?
I'm questioning the evidence there is nothing wrong with that, so why are you objecting it to it? I asked several times in the past for evidence to be brought forward and you and others haven't done it.

The evidence is it was mutal consent because Levy says it was and he's never said it before so that means it's a fact. Not for me, as I'm not a BSoDL believing everything he says.
The Jason Burt article is a very interesting read and certainly believable but where is the actual evidence in that article there are no quotes? No hard evidence but your saying I should believe it 100% as fact because Jason Burt is a friend of AVB's? It's really down to the reader to decide whether to believe or not.
But you can say I'm just trolling if you want.
If it is a fact that Levy suggested that AVB play with two strikers and play Ade then it actually paints Levy in a bad light.

I didn't want AVB to go, so I'd agree

Out of interest, what evidence suggests he was sacked? As in the rock solid, horse's-mouth kind you're seeking here?

 

[Mullers]

I didn't want AVB to go, so I'd agree

Out of interest, what evidence suggests he was sacked? As in the rock solid, horse's-mouth kind you're seeking here?

There isn't any, my evidence would be all the various news reports saying AVB sacked but that is all disputable. The way I see it the whole thing is open to speculation whatever side of the fence you're on.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

In all honesty they surpassed my expectations in finishing 5th with 69 points after selling our world class player and having watched the previous season with Bale win inning us game after game after game in the last 15mins

The problem has been the complete lack of excitement in our team or style of football since the very vivid Berba/VDV/Modric/Bale days...

 

[13VanDerBale13]

So next season when we finish outside the top 4, people can't complain

 

[GeneralBurk]

So next season when we finish outside the top 4, people can't complain

I'm a glass half empty person on this one.

1. Everton will strengthen although they are in the Bobbins League with us
2. United will not be as bad and no Bobbins League helps them further
3. Chelsea and City even further off in the distance
4. Arsenal, if they buy a striker who is better than Championship level, will improve
5. Liverpool will have to contend with playing more than 41 games this season so squad strengthen in is a must

Our problems are sorted either really simple as the team gains stability with small additions ie maybe a new left back etc

Or: they strike to the heart the club and we are in for significant upheaval and similarly mismatched expectations over results.

 

[Reece]

I think this image shows we've had our 4 best consecutive seasons since the 60's? Sourced from Wikipedia.

Nice visualisation of how up & down a team we are (if it's accurate).

 

[fatpiranha]

I'm a glass half empty person on this one.

1. Everton will strengthen although they are in the Bobbins League with us
2. United will not be as bad and no Bobbins League helps them further
3. Chelsea and City even further off in the distance
4. Arsenal, if they buy a striker who is better than Championship level, will improve
5. Liverpool will have to contend with playing more than 41 games this season so squad strengthen in is a must

Our problems are sorted either really simple as the team gains stability with small additions ie maybe a new left back etc

Or: they strike to the heart the club and we are in for significant upheaval and similarly mismatched expectations over results.

I'd add a few caveats to your assessment.

1. Everton will struggle to do as well with their loan signings as last season. If they sign Lukaku they will have blown the majority of their transfer budget without actually improving their team as they had him already. As you point out, playing in Europe will hurt them, especially as they don't have the depth of squad we do.

2. United will improve but they will still be in transition. They need a major revamp and as we learned last season throwing £100M at a problem doesn't necessarily make it go away.

3. Financial fair play rules will affect them more than any other clubs. They both have huge squads so I expect a bit of a fire sale in order to raise funds. They will be stronger though they won't necessarily improve more than we do.

4. ... if.

5. You make a very valid point. With their history their fans won't accept them making a half-hearted stab at the CL. In addition there are few teams so reliant on one player and that a player who could self-destruct at any moment. Their squad is going to be very stretched this season.

Us - We have 7 players who could improve through their experience of the premiership. Our manager is likely to be an upgrade whoever gets the job. We also have money to spend. I just hope we balance the squad.

Realistically we won't catch City or Chelsea but we should overtake Everton. Man Utd might take a season or two to rebuild but no more than that and Arsenal have more financial resources than we do. Bearing in mind that the promoted teams look stronger than usual I think we should be expecting somewhere around 72 pts next season as a par score. Above that and we are doing well.

 

[yankspurs]

Expectations were top 4. We finished 6th. Surpassing expectations my ass. A freaking points predictor means the equivalent of fuck all. Fact of the matter is, we failed to meet expectations. Anyone who says otherwise is kidding themselves.