Spurs U21’s, U18’s and other youth news – 2015/16 Edition

[loaderspurs]

Not sure what his connection is but a guy on Twitter, Paul O'Keefe, seems to get info on what's going on at the club, as is often talking with respected people with info regarding what he's heard and often they'll agree/have a discussion about their info.

Anyway, interesting to see yesterday he was asking windy what his thoughts were on Winks, as "Poch has big plans for him this season". Maybe not going out on loan like most of us thought?

https://mobile.twitter.com/pokeefe1/status/623584107247878144

 

[kmk]

Very good player defiantly one to watch.Funny thing about Harrow school if you go half a mile down the road its a S**t hole.

I know, I went to Gayton High School.

 

[Sweech]

Not sure what his connection is but a guy on Twitter, Paul O'Keefe, seems to get info on what's going on at the club, as is often with respected people with info regarding what he's heard and often they'll agree/have a discussion about their info.

Anyway, interesting to see yesterday he was asking windy what his thoughts were on Winks, as "Poch has big plans for him this season". Maybe not going out on loan like most of us thought?

https://mobile.twitter.com/pokeefe1/status/623584107247878144

What if his "big plans" are for him to go on loan?

 

[fecka]

I wouldn't have Pritchard with the likes of Edwards, Onomah & Alli, to be honest. Think quite a few others have higher ceilings than him.

Edit - just saw they have McEvoy at #14 and Coulthirst at #19. Really?

The articles at CFC are not really about potential but rather who's the closest to making it in the first team. I agree about the rankings and I'm also quite sure they haven't watched any of the youth in person but rather they go by hearsay and youtube. It's long way to London from the states.

 

[IGSpur]

Oh so thats who a US soccer writer was talking about when he said CCV was one of 2 English-American youngsters in the Tottenham academy the US were keeping tabs on some time ago!

Now that you mentioned it I do remember reading something similar. To be fair the US always seem to be well stocked at keeper, even down to the u20 World Cup keeper Steffen, who was very good.

I don't know how good Austin is but I can't see them needing him. If it was an outfield player, yes.

Not sure what his connection is but a guy on Twitter, Paul O'Keefe, seems to get info on what's going on at the club, as is often with respected people with info regarding what he's heard and often they'll agree/have a discussion about their info.

Anyway, interesting to see yesterday he was asking windy what his thoughts were on Winks, as "Poch has big plans for him this season". Maybe not going out on loan like most of us thought?

https://mobile.twitter.com/pokeefe1/status/623584107247878144

Would like him to be used but can't see and as Sweech said it is probably going on loan, but maybe not Rangers.

Poch needs to use Veljkovic and maybe Carroll. Then it seems like Oduwa could be forcing himself a spot. I can't see him using more than 2 untested young players in the league this season. Unless they get end of match minutes somewhere. Imagine Onomah and Winks will be on loan.

 

[IGSpur]

The articles at CFC are not really about potential but rather who's the closest to making it in the first team. I agree about the rankings and I'm also quite sure they haven't watched any of the youth in person but rather they go by hearsay and youtube. It's long way to London from the states.

That's fair I'd still debate how close McEvoy is to getting first team football. It will be hard writing from the states, but I definitely think they should do a little bit more research on some of the articles. Even just reading this thread.

 

[BC11]

Don't know I have always rated Pritchard and always thought he would be a big talented, was very underrated at youth levels.

He was on the same level and Bentaleb, Veljkovic, Carroll and Ceballos for me at that age group, hard to separate who was the most talented at that time but I think all of them and Kane could have played PL football.

As we know though the next lot coming through are arguably more talented so I agree with what you mean about them having a higher ceiling. But he is justifiably in the top 5 due to what he has done and what he can do.

Their criteria is not having featured for the first team

Yeah, that was kind of my point. I think the younger lads, who are 15-18 currently, have more potential than the older players in the set up (not that they aren't talented as well).

The articles at CFC are not really about potential but rather who's the closest to making it in the first team. I agree about the rankings and I'm also quite sure they haven't watched any of the youth in person but rather they go by hearsay and youtube. It's long way to London from the states.

If they're listing who's closest to the first team then it changes it completely, and putting McEvoy at #15 seems reasonable.

There are tons of full games available to watch online (IMG cup, Riga Cup, tournament in Vietnam, some FAYC games), I think it would be possible to gain a good idea of each player just through watching them. Although, some of them are quite difficult to find to be fair.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

Yeah, that was kind of my point. I think the younger lads, who are 15-18 currently, have more potential than the older players in the set up (not that they aren't talented as well).



If they're listing who's closest to the first team then it changes it completely, and putting McEvoy at #15 seems reasonable.

There are tons of full games available to watch online (IMG cup, Riga Cup, tournament in Vietnam, some FAYC games), I think it would be possible to gain a good idea of each player just through watching them. Although, some of them are quite difficult to find to be fair.

To have Edwards as number one which I think is somewhat laughable if I am totally honest - disproves the idea that its based on who is nearest the first team more like a spurious reaction to rumour atm we just haven't seen enough of him to give him that heady rating above some very promising young lads who have significantly more experience. If nearest the first team it would be something like Onomah, Veijkovic CCV KWP and Winks as a top five

Though I am looking forward to seeing them I think judging the current first years is pretty much impossible at the moment, no one has even seen them live as a unit just yet. We saw some cameos last season of varying quality and it will take them time to adapt to playing against sides a year older and a bit more physical than they are used to, Saying they have more potential is a pretty enormous statement when you are comparing them with some very talented older boys

 

[Blake Griffin]

To have Edwards as number one which I think is somewhat laughable if I am totally honest - disproves the idea that its based on who is nearest the first team more like a spurious reaction to rumour atm we just haven't seen enough of him to give him that heady rating above some very promising young lads who have significantly more experience. If nearest the first team it would be something like Onomah, Veijkovic CCV KWP and Winks as a top five

they gave this as their rankings guideline:

In ranking these players, we've tried to strike the right balance between first team-readiness, how high the players' ceilings seem to be, and how likely it is that they'll reach that ceiling. But it's inevitably an imperfect science.

 

[BC11]

To have Edwards as number one which I think is somewhat laughable if I am totally honest - disproves the idea that its based on who is nearest the first team more like a spurious reaction to rumour atm we just haven't seen enough of him to give him that heady rating above some very promising young lads who have significantly more experience. If nearest the first team it would be something like Onomah, Veijkovic CCV KWP and Winks as a top five

Though I am looking forward to seeing them I think judging the current first years is pretty much impossible at the moment, no one has even seen them live as a unit just yet. We saw some cameos last season of varying quality and it will take them time to adapt to playing against sides a year older and a bit more physical than they are used to, Saying they have more potential is a pretty enormous statement when you are comparing them with some very talented older boys

I mentioned 15-18 as one of the most prolific academy watchers (who has seem them as a group and opinion I trust) rates our current U16s & U17s very highly. That combined with international recognition and Riga Cup videos makes me believe it's possible these Year 1 (and the group below) have a lot of potential. Although, wasn't talking about the first year group specifically. I said 15-18 which includes Onomah, KWP and CCV.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

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[ralphs bald spot]

I mentioned 15-18 as one of the most prolific academy watchers (who has seem them as a group and opinion I trust) rates our current U16s & U17s very highly. That combined with international recognition and Riga Cup videos makes me believe it's possible these Year 1 (and the group below) have a lot of potential. Although, wasn't talking about the first year group specifically. I said 15-18 which includes Onomah, KWP and CCV.

Sure I am not saying that don't have great potential and from the limited viewings as they made their way into the u18s at the end last season some of them looked to be interesting players Edwards amongst them thoug the one that the biggest impression on me was the diminutive Shashousa who looked like they had brought on a 10 year old but did he take his goal well - but its difficult to judge them as a group at the moment - the U16 games generally are not easy to watch as they involve technically children and at the training ground they like to keep you away from watching them, though its far from impossible not to walk over and watch a bit of the game as it usually is on the next pitch to the 18's.

Youth football is all about the next batch and the excitement in looking forward and seeing them develop. Will they be as good? Its all conjecture and opinion at the moment as next season they will suddenly be up against slightly older boys who are trained in some of the dark arts of the game the game is a bit more physical than schoolboy football. It takes time for them to settle and that's why Spurs like to blood them in the later part of the season where its noticeable that the results we had were poorer than earlier in the season - as they found themselves playing lads 2 to 3 years older than them, which should stand them in good stead for the forthcoming season

 

[Lilbaz]

Song for onomah.

Onomah
What's his name?
Onomah
What's his name?

To the tune of rihanna's oh na na what's my name?

 

[Blake Griffin]

Song for onomah.

Onomah
What's his name?
Onomah
What's his name?

To the tune of rihanna's oh na na what's my name?

he already has a song

 

[Lilbaz]

he already has a song

Which is terrible.

 

[DCSPUR]

Very good player defiantly one to watch.Funny thing about Harrow school if you go half a mile down the road its a S**t hole.

oi - I lived for many years in North Harrow and it was/is, for your information, quite nice.

 

[IGSpur]

Which is terrible.

It also doesn't help that people aren't sayin the same thing. It's a combination of people thinking the song do doo do do do Onomah, then some say Ononomah then some actually think his name is Ononomah.

For it to work everyone needs to know what they're saying. Should just say Onomah and not mash his name up lol.

Though I do like yours

 

[Lilbaz]

oi - I lived for many years in North Harrow and it was/is, for your information, quite nice.

Used to live with a girl near harrow on the hill. Really nice area.

Lived with her in wilsden junction as well which is a shit hole.

 

[thinktank]

he already has a song

Surely it should be:

Josh Onomah!
Doo-doo doo-doo-doo
Josh Onomah
Doo-doo-doo-doo

??

 

[DCSPUR]

Used to live with a girl near harrow on the hill. Really nice area.

Lived with her in wilsden junction as well which is a shit hole.

agreed on both counts! used to love going for a pint at this pub: http://castle-harrow.co.uk/about
live in Washington, DC now but still have fond memories of years and pints past - cheers