Spurs under 21, under 18 Leagues and other youth news

[DEFchenkOE]

I agree with you and to involve the fans more it would be nice for the club to provide a proper medium for supporters to follow the in particular the u18's and 21's. I personally would much sooner watch them than any Premiership game that didn't involve us.

Spurs u21's v anybody or the usual type of Man u, Chavs crap on sky and i would watch our youngsters any day and I think gives the supporters a real affinity with the players coming through. It would have been nice over the years to see Carrol develop as a player for example and when he stepped into the first team the crowd would i think be thrilled to see him step up!

Currently Spurs tv doesn't do the club justice!

So true, Liverpool fans are lucky as LFC tv is free on sky and show lots of their youth games. I had no idea what Alex Inglethorpe looked like or never even heard him speak until the end of our game against them on Monday. He's been @ Liverpool 2 mins and that's the only time i've seen him.

I don't understand why Spurs TV is not showing all our youth games live, just what exactly do they show?? A few exclusive interviews?

 

[Legend10]

So true, Liverpool fans are lucky as LFC tv is free on sky and show lots of their youth games. I had no idea what Alex Inglethorpe looked like or never even heard him speak until the end of our game against them on Monday. He's been @ Liverpool 2 mins and that's the only time i've seen him.

I don't understand why Spurs TV is not showing all our youth games live, just what exactly do they show?? A few exclusive interviews?

Basically yes and first team highlights and some short highlights of some youth games, but nowhere near enough to wet your whistle.

The whole thing about supporting a club is that you support the club and not just the first team, although that is of course the most important. But supporting the club means we are interested in all of its teams and in these days especially how the young players are progressing.

Everybody is talking about young Alex Pritchard but how many times has anybody really seen him? Once, twice?

People talk about Christian Cellabos, Monday was the first time I've ever seen him play, and who took note of Zeki Fryers at Utd? probably none of us so at last on Monday was a chance to see if he really could be a potential first team player.

The TV channel is my biggest disappointment with the club.

 

[newbie]

I have seen Pritchard only once and he reminded me of Modric

 

[Spursidol]

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I wonder how much of an influence people like Ricardo Moniz (think that was his name) had on the youth and their progress as he was appointed as a skills coach.

We really do seem to be going places with our youth set up, hopefully we can integrate these players into a more settled first team squad, instead of wholesale changes every summer like we used to have.

I recall Tim Sherwood being asked that question a couple of years ago, and asking whether he had been replaced. Tim's reply was that Moniz had trained the coaches in skills training so that when he left (which I think may have been same time as Martin Jol left), he was not replaced but the coaches were now all able to assist players in skills training.

 

[Spursidol]

SpursIdol you can be reserve and still be u18s no? I know Ibe is 17 and taht Peterson was in the u18 match I posted earlier. Just saying to be fai to pool but does def seem like we played more u18s.

Im erally impressed how Levy has undergone changing our academy set up. Harry Winks does look talented and I am genuienly excited for our future

Yes reserves can be under 18 although not that many, maybe I should have been more explicit and said 'Academy u 18's' rather than just u 18's.

 

[Spursidol]

With these kids there is no excuse for signing players of Dempsey's ilk in the future, sign stars or bring the kids through.

How does it go?
To dare is to do
COYS

Wait until the next transfer window and I guraantee there will be a 'wishlist' put forward by a number of people with some pretty average players on where we have similar or better in our youth et up already.

But I agree with you, our youth set up should supply us with a number of 'squad' players plus hopefully some of those 'squad' players will become 'stars' as they get more first team experience. For example Steven Caulker started as a squad player having played about 30 PL games with Swansea and I hope to see him continue to develop into a top class cb. Similarly I expect Townsend next season will be just cover for Bale/Lennon and we then see whether he can step up in a couple of seasons to being more than just 'cover'

 

[Spursidol]

I agree with you and to involve the fans more it would be nice for the club to provide a proper medium for supporters to follow the in particular the u18's and 21's. I personally would much sooner watch them than any Premiership game that didn't involve us.

Spurs u21's v anybody or the usual type of Man u, Chavs crap on sky and i would watch our youngsters any day and I think gives the supporters a real affinity with the players coming through. It would have been nice over the years to see Carrol develop as a player for example and when he stepped into the first team the crowd would i think be thrilled to see him step up!

Currently Spurs tv doesn't do the club justice!

Absolutely agree, but I think Liverpool fans would be delighted to swap their much better tv service for our youth set up right now !

 

[Spursidol]

not sure i would go for that.

When we go 2 goals up we have a bad tendency of sitting back and being under a lot of pressure for the remainder of the game.
Most of our attacking subs done when this happens find it hard to get into the game as there is very little surport, and changes at the back could see mistakes.

Its a fine balance for when they would be brought on, but at least 1 youngster on the bench would be good to see.
Problem is we have plenty of other players who could make the bench as well.

Spurs were big supporters of the change from 5 subs to 7 subs a couple of years ago arguing that it gave the opportunity to have more youngsters on the bench and hence contribute to youth development.

Easy enough to tell the first team squad that there opportunity each match day is to be part of the starting 11 or or one of the 5 or 6 on the bench - with 1 or 2 places 'reserved' for youth players.

If a first team player is not in that match day squad of 16 or 17, he needs to ask whether he has been doing enough.

Overall getting one or two youngsters on the bench is better for the long term progress of the club. The first team players and coach just need to recognise sat only 16 or 17 places are reserved for the first team players - its no differet reallyt than when only 5 subs wre allowed..

 

[Spursidol]

as the official site is so crap with updates i thought id let u guys know we finished second bottom in the Aegon Future Cup after beating Barcelona 1-0 in the 7/8th place game. it was our one and only goal in the tourney, in 4 games

Not good. Spurs have usually done quite well in these sort of competitions, although at the Milk Cup 2012, Spurs u 17's did not do that well - I got Ray Lo to ask Alex Inglethorpe why, and Inglethorpe explained that Spurs had too few defenders in the academy.

Probably will be taking a similar squad to another youth competition next week hosted by Spartak Moscow called Spartak's Cup, other teams are Barcelona (again), Benfica, Celtic, Atlanta (Italy), Dynamo Kiev and Spartak Moscow

The match schedule is :

09/04, 15:30,

Barcelona vs Tottenham​

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10/04, 17:00,

Tottenham vs Dynamo Kyiv​

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11/04, 14:00,

Tottenham vs Benfica​

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12/04, 14:00,

Spartak Moskva vs Tottenham​

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Coverage might be as sparce as the Aegon Future Cup, but there may be info on this site http://www.footballzz.com/equipa.php?id=83347​

 

[IGSpur]

Basically yes and first team highlights and some short highlights of some youth games, but nowhere near enough to wet your whistle.

The whole thing about supporting a club is that you support the club and not just the first team, although that is of course the most important. But supporting the club means we are interested in all of its teams and in these days especially how the young players are progressing.

Everybody is talking about young Alex Pritchard but how many times has anybody really seen him? Once, twice?

People talk about Christian Cellabos, Monday was the first time I've ever seen him play, and who took note of Zeki Fryers at Utd? probably none of us so at last on Monday was a chance to see if he really could be a potential first team player.

The TV channel is my biggest disappointment with the club.

Worse thing is we dont even need a TV channel, Im not upset that Spurs dont provide a free channel as we are not big enough or rich enough to be doing that, but if youre going to ask people to get memberships for SpursTV online you should be able to at least stream games. I cant believe that a) they cant have a camera standardly setup on the ptich that play on at the new training ground b) they cant ask other clubs when we play them if we can stream through any cameras they got (if thats poss or makes sense) c) we cant even ask for highlights for some away matches. I mean we beat Barca 4-0 away all of their NextGen highlights are up except when we whooped em, I know they must have recorded it as well because I think there are clips of it in the Pritchard highlight video on vimeo, so why do we not make it accessible for people that have subscribed to SpursTV.

The interview and highlights are cool but if I could have interview or highlights or youth matches Id go for the youth matches.

Wait until the next transfer window and I guraantee there will be a 'wishlist' put forward by a number of people with some pretty average players on where we have similar or better in our youth et up already.

But I agree with you, our youth set up should supply us with a number of 'squad' players plus hopefully some of those 'squad' players will become 'stars' as they get more first team experience. For example Steven Caulker started as a squad player having played about 30 PL games with Swansea and I hope to see him continue to develop into a top class cb. Similarly I expect Townsend next season will be just cover for Bale/Lennon and we then see whether he can step up in a couple of seasons to being more than just 'cover'

This is true as well. I cant understand the signing of Dempsey and Sig I dont think they were too bad Prem experience etc adn AVBs first season they are safe signings. But to move on those kind mainly Dempseys tbh are not requires. If we are going to buy we need to buy to improve the first team, which will in turn improve the squad. If we are just going to buy squad players we might aswell give our youngsers a chance. Last year people were screaming for Junior Hoilett I read in some forums some people were saying that he was better than Lennon, but we had Townsend. Now I also would have accpeted Hoilett although I would have been happy to promote Townsend but of course its a risk as noone could predict how well he would have done and he is currently QPRs best player. Hopefully his performance and Carroll and Caulkers' for will encoruage AVB to use our youngsers as back up next season rather than just buying average instead. COYS

 

[knilly]

I agree that our youth system will stop us having to buy so many squad players like we have in previous years, that only serve to block the route to the first team. But the signings of Sig and Dempsey I feel were justified.

Sig is clearly a talented player who has started to show what he is capable of, and Dempsey scored 25 goals last season, had 12 months left on his deal, prem proven, has a winning mentality IMO, and didnt need to even move house.

The youth system coupled with DL's shrewed buys will ensure we compete with clubs with bigger financial muscle.

If only we had the Mythical-Uber-Striker (MUS) already in the bag for this summer!

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I have seen Pritchard only once and he reminded me of Modric

More Nasri.

 

[ShelfSide18]

More Nasri.

Just less of a ****

 

[ShelfSide18]

Basically yes and first team highlights and some short highlights of some youth games, but nowhere near enough to wet your whistle.

The whole thing about supporting a club is that you support the club and not just the first team, although that is of course the most important. But supporting the club means we are interested in all of its teams and in these days especially how the young players are progressing.

Everybody is talking about young Alex Pritchard but how many times has anybody really seen him? Once, twice?

People talk about Christian Cellabos, Monday was the first time I've ever seen him play, and who took note of Zeki Fryers at Utd? probably none of us so at last on Monday was a chance to see if he really could be a potential first team player.

The TV channel is my biggest disappointment with the club.

Very much agree.

I try and get to a few games a season to see the youth sides and it's great, it's a pleasure watching our youth teams play nice football and watch it with a crowd who doesn't want to get on our own players backs for the entirety of the game, and when that 1882 movement turns up they make a great racket.

Seen us play Barcelona and Southampton this season, the Barca (u19s) game was excellent high quality football on both sides, the Southampton (U21s) game was a joy to watch as we took them to the cleaners. Probably the best football I've seen a Spurs team play this season.

 

[leffe186]

I agree that our youth system will stop us having to buy so many squad players like we have in previous years, that only serve to block the route to the first team. But the signings of Sig and Dempsey I feel were justified.

Sig is clearly a talented player who has started to show what he is capable of, and Dempsey scored 25 goals last season, had 12 months left on his deal, prem proven, has a winning mentality IMO, and didnt need to even move house.

The youth system coupled with DL's shrewed buys will ensure we compete with clubs with bigger financial muscle.

If only we had the Mythical-Uber-Striker (MUS) already in the bag for this summer!

I agree. I mean, we should have got in a striker instead of Dempsey, but he was an understandable purchase. The thing that annoys me about people's reaction to Siggy is that he's still only 23 - younger than Kyle Naughton. Plenty of time to improve. Same as Lewis Holtby (22) - these players are very young, not the finished article, and I think we need to treat them as such. By all means criticize where it's due, and if there is someone better then they shouldn't be starting, but know in the back of your head that they are still learning the game, let alone learning our team and AVB's requirements.

 

[AngerManagement]

how was Souleymane Coulibaly doing in our youth ranks before his loan? I know many had high hopes for him due to his exploits in the world cup of his age group and I recall he impressed for us against Inter? (though I am not sure of that) he's not scored in 6 appearances on his loan in Italy

Has he shown much promise or stood out more than the likes of Shaq and Obika? he's younger than those still I guess but he must have played enough for us for people to have an opinion of some sort?

 

[Spursidol]

how was Souleymane Coulibaly doing in our youth ranks before his loan? I know many had high hopes for him due to his exploits in the world cup of his age group and I recall he impressed for us against Inter? (though I am not sure of that) he's not scored in 6 appearances on his loan in Italy

Has he shown much promise or stood out more than the likes of Shaq and Obika? he's younger than those still I guess but he must have played enough for us for people to have an opinion of some sort?

IMO at the moment Shaq Coulthirst is a better bet to lead the line for Spurs in the future - he's pretty much two footed when it comes to scoring and can head the ball. Several of those watching the Liverpool u21 game agree that he can hold up the ball well and bring others into play.

Having said that Coulibaly looked decent for a 17/18 year old last season in the Nextgenb series (although nowhere near first team) and as he's only just 18 (dob 26/12/94 - same age as Shaq) he's young to be on loan so although he's made 6 appearances (most from bench) I wouldn't worry too much about his not scoring yet - although imo once he does score it will do his confidence a world of good. His worst attribute is maybe being a bit greedy whereas Shaq is much better at bringing others inti the game. He's got a decent chance of being a striker for Spurs, but both he and Shaq have some way to go : at a similar age Obika looked a decent prospect too, although imo both Shaq and Souleymane are better than Obika was at a similar age.

 

[edson]

What do we do with Harry Kane next year a player who I like a lot but has lost his way a bit due to Spurs loaning him to the wrong type of clubs ?

 

[Spursidol]

What do we do with Harry Kane next year a player who I like a lot but has lost his way a bit due to Spurs loaning him to the wrong type of clubs ?

Harry Kane is 20 this coming July - so he's lost this season mainly due to an unfortunate injury screwing up his Norwich loan (which I don't think is the wrong sort of club btw), so next season AVB can look at him in pre-pseason and deciode whether he wants to use Kane as 3rd striker or send him out to a PL loan. Point I would make is that Kane is actually still pretty young.

I am in two minds. In some ways I would like him to stay at Spurs and to work with the coaches to improve his skills to play as a striker to lead the line rather than his current playing style which is more suited to playing 2nd striker in a 442 (or the VDV roole in a 4231), whilst at the same time getting some PL game time from the bench. IMO that might be a better solution for Spurs rather than sending him out on loan

 

[edson]

Harry Kane is 20 this coming July - so he's lost this season mainly due to an unfortunate injury screwing up his Norwich loan (which I don't think is the wrong sort of club btw), so next season AVB can look at him in pre-pseason and deciode whether he wants to use Kane as 3rd striker or send him out to a PL loan. Point I would make is that Kane is actually still pretty young.

I am in two minds. In some ways I would like him to stay at Spurs and to work with the coaches to improve his skills to play as a striker to lead the line rather than his current playing style which is more suited to playing 2nd striker in a 442 (or the VDV roole in a 4231), whilst at the same time getting some PL game time from the bench. IMO that might be a better solution for Spurs rather than sending him out on loan

Think he is better as a second striker the problem is we are overloaded with players who can play that role.