Match Threads Spurs vs Fulham - Match Thread - Day 16

[fletch82]

I genuinely thought this sitting on a 1 goal lead was all on jose but.

Last night I watched to see signs of it especially when we went 1 up
Granted that in my opinion it didn't help that Ndombele had a poor game but the shrinking and cowardly play from the rest of our midfield combined with the refusal to take any risks by them was really evident.
Winks and the safe option only, sissoko and his limited ability, sanchez also in the sissoko bracket.
Aurier having a poor game attacking wise and dier nursing that early knock they just seemed to shrink in my opinion.
Either winks needs to man up a bit and play with some balls or be replaced.
Sissoko baffled me as he seemed to be playing much further up the pitch and not doing his usual just cover the right back job and in that case he is pointless due to his limited ability on the ball.
Sanchez I just didn't understand his selection over Toby.
Add this to Ndombele trying to do to much you could just see it happening again.

 

[journeyman]

Kane - our best player - is also guilty of not going for the jugular when 1.0 up. He did it last night and has done it before, getting strongly on the ball, but then recycling it back through our defence rather than attacking the opponents’ box the way he would if we didn’t have a lead. The tone for all this is set by Jose. He needs to change his emphasis and not to keep passing the buck.

 

[RamonVega'sShinners]

I genuinely thought this sitting on a 1 goal lead was all on jose but.

Last night I watched to see signs of it especially when we went 1 up
Granted that in my opinion it didn't help that Ndombele had a poor game but the shrinking and cowardly play from the rest of our midfield combined with the refusal to take any risks by them was really evident.
Winks and the safe option only, sissoko and his limited ability, sanchez also in the sissoko bracket.
Aurier having a poor game attacking wise and dier nursing that early knock they just seemed to shrink in my opinion.
Either winks needs to man up a bit and play with some balls or be replaced.
Sissoko baffled me as he seemed to be playing much further up the pitch and not doing his usual just cover the right back job and in that case he is pointless due to his limited ability on the ball.
Sanchez I just didn't understand his selection over Toby.
Add this to Ndombele trying to do to much you could just see it happening again.

It's a fair enough point you make, but what were their passing options? Kane and Son. At home to a team in the relegation zone with that line up? So negative and defensive. All of the bashing of players on here is desperate, its the system and selection. If they don't have attacking options how can they play in a progressive forward manner? As an attacking force our performances have been very limited for the past 2 months, including the good results, they were fairly smash and grab in my opinion with some excellent counter attacking. We should be playing a more dominant possession based game in my opinion. Why is it that we haven't had anybody in an attacking midfield role stand out since Jose came in? Eriksen, Dele, GLC, Lamela, Ndom, is it that they are all terrible/out of form or is it that they are set up in a system that doesn't suit?

 

[homer hotspur]

These are mostly the same players that contributed to no away wins for nearly 12 months with Poch.

Are you saying that it is purely down to tactics that we keep getting pegged back? This shit mentality has been going on for a couple of years.

In the context of your original comment and my response, yes that would be down to the tactics we are seeing most games now

 

[fletch82]

It's a fair enough point you make, but what were their passing options? Kane and Son. At home to a team in the relegation zone with that line up? So negative and defensive. All of the bashing of players on here is desperate, its the system and selection. If they don't have attacking options how can they play in a progressive forward manner? As an attacking force our performances have been very limited for the past 2 months, including the good results, they were fairly smash and grab in my opinion with some excellent counter attacking. We should be playing a more dominant possession based game in my opinion. Why is it that we haven't had anybody in an attacking midfield role stand out since Jose came in? Eriksen, Dele, GLC, Lamela, Ndom, is it that they are all terrible/out of form or is it that they are set up in a system that doesn't suit?

I personally am mot keen on the system we play it has its merits against the dominant teams but gives belief and encouragement to the lesser ones so I don't like it myself.

As for the no passing options last night I would put that massively on the shoulders of sissoko and Ndombele
One had one of his worst games for us in a while and I know some will cop a strop over this the other is strictly an athlete with incredibly limited footballing ability and limited football intelligence.

I cant say if jose told sissoko to play a far more advanced role but if he did he probably needs a long hard chat with himself.
As for winks my personal opinion is the kid is to frightened to take any risks with jose for fear of reprisals so does not fit the system either.
Yes I believe jose a little bit negative but last night I saw players shitting it and withdrawing positionally and mentally and others not in the roles that suits them ie ndom to advanced winks to deep sissoko to advanced and not putting in the cover leaving aurier with acres behind him.
It seemed a fecking mess to me.

 

[Lennon1981]

Didnt know you could be banned from individual threads.

I’m not banned banned. I can read it just not reply which is even more infuriating ?

Especially when I see Vinny’s left peg is still in there being the ultimate fan boy. I’m pretty sure he was who I was debating with when I got banned ?

 

[Who’s our next manager?]

I wonder if Jose is concerned about our defence and the general lack of pace of the central defenders and that’s why he’s so bloody defensive. He needs to change the formation with the players we have, to a 4-3-3

Lloris
Aurier..Alderweireld...Dier...Reguillon
Ndombele....Hojbjerg....Lo Celso
Bale/Bergwijn.....Kane.....Son

The midfield would be great as both Ndombele and Lo Celso are hard workers, both can pick a pass, both can dribble ,both can put a tackle in. That,for me, is our strongest line up.

 

[SirNiNyHotspur]

I can't find the Harry Winks thread so will just post here, not a fan at all, the games just seem to pass him by, offers very little at either end or that said even in the middle, we just can't be starting with this guy if we want to win things.

Just to add to that I don't even think he's good enough for the bench, bring him on to do what, protect a lead or to chase after a game, he does neither.

 

[Lennon1981]

Didnt know you could be banned from individual threads.

Banned from 2 now. The Poch thread too ??

Is this a record.

#freelennon1981

 

[Bulletspur]

I could accept that, Jose has won things.

Not with us

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Not with us

Nope, but if you don't give him a chance and the support any Spurs manager should ideally get (the word ideally is key, I'm aware) then he may never.

 

[Lennon1981]

He isn't banned - he's spent the morning spam rating my posts and liking anyone who was abusive toward me in that very thread.

I am banned and I’m Meg repping what I don’t agree with because I haven’t got the privileges to reply ? if I had I would have been debating you in there

 

[Lennon1981]

Kane - our best player - is also guilty of not going for the jugular when 1.0 up. He did it last night and has done it before, getting strongly on the ball, but then recycling it back through our defence rather than attacking the opponents’ box the way he would if we didn’t have a lead. The tone for all this is set by Jose. He needs to change his emphasis and not to keep passing the buck.

I agree I said this in another thread. Our players have had the “be brave” mantra under Poch drilled out of them. Now our players are choosing the safe backwards pass rather than the risky forward pass. It’s depressing

 

[Lennon1981]

Nope, but if you don't give him a chance and the support any Spurs manager should ideally get (the word ideally is key, I'm aware) then he may never.

We’ve given him a chance. We was told give him a summer window. He’s had it. Nothing has changed. Imagine what Poch would have done with Hoyberg and Reg and Bale.

 

[tevezito]

Having seen Chelsea beat Fulham today it's clear what our problem is, we're too good at going 1 up. We need to wait until the last quarter of the game before scoring. If we do all the 'defensive' stuff when it's nil-nil, rather than when we're winning 1-0, then if the other team score we can pile it on and run out 6-1 winners. If they don't manage to 'equalise' before we score, then once it gets to 75 minutes or so we can then slot one away and they won't have time to pull one back. Simples. League champions here we come.

 

[walworthyid]

We can't have watched the same game. When we went up 1-0, we continued to attack. We should have scored several goals, but we didn't. Unlucky, but shit happens.

When the second half started Fulham flew out of the block, just like in the first half. We got nervous, and we couldn't manage to string passes together to get out of the press. It wasn't a defensive tactic, we didn't sit back, we got stressed and nervous. It's a mental thing, not a tactical thing. That may also be Josés fault, but please stop with the "defensive football" bullshit, because that is clearly not the issue.

Creating a few chances doesn't equate to playing attacking football. Because our default position is so deep it is hard for us to play any other way than defensively.

Surely you can see that by doing that we invite pressure and make ball retention difficult because the game is so compressed? Which means that when we need to regain control or take the sting out of the game we can't. Its happened to us too many times for it to be purely down to us not taking chances or the opposition coming out of the blocks quickly! We just aren't set up to control the game.