Match Threads Spurs vs Man United - Match Thread

[Finchyid]

Second half some our football was brilliant, de gea made saves but we helped him, should have won the game.

 

[ardiles]

Time for the boys to finally get a proper week’s rest. Hope the injuries to Kane & Sissoko are not long term.

Excluding cup matches, Son should only be missing for a max of 3 league matches - all against relatively weaker opposition.

Dier should be back soon to bolster the midfield. Vert’s match fitness should have improved when the next match comes. Hopefully Lucas is back too.

Yeah, we lost today but it’s not the end of the world. Let’s pick ourselves up and look ahead positively to the next games. There’s still a lot to play for this season.

 

[Spence167]

You totally misread my post, missed my point and now arguing tangentially.

My point is poch should stay here and develop his craft as he still has a lot to learn.

I know you.re new, mate, so I don't take it personally that you don't know you're literally talking to the person who first championed poch coming here, on this forum.

Have a nice day, sir.

Me being new here has nothing to do with it. I’m new to the forum, not to being a Spurs fan. I’ve been through all the shit of the 80s and 90s and trust me if we lose Poch we’ll end up back there. You said he wasn’t ‘tactically seasoned’ to manage either Man U or Real Madrid and yet they are the two clubs that are after him so he can’t be that bad. If we had beat them 3-0 today like we did at their manor he would be a master tactician to everyone and it pisses me off when people slate him. I wasn’t arguing with you, just putting my point across. We lost today. I’m as pissed off as anyone but you can’t blame anybody but the players and possibly Levy for not allowing some coin for new players.

No hard feelings.

 

[Bobbins]

Let's see before we assume huh? But even with Skipp in MF and Llorente upfront and Lamela or Lucas in AM for a month I'd make us strong favourites. Especially as it corresponds with favourable games. Trust in Pooch

I do trust Poch.

I don't trust being stuck at Wembley.

And I don't trust that Poch will be supported sufficiently.

 

[thinktank]

What that I don’t think Pochettino tactics are “seasoned enough” for Man U or Real Madrid even though both are or have been after him

That my posts are typically 'knee jerk'.

Where? Show me.

Or you are what you're accusing me of.

 

[Gareth88]

Hey ive calmed down and realised 2 things with this loss 1. we can calm the talks of Poch leaving if Solskaer keeps winning he might get the job at the end of the season. 2. Arsenal have utd breathing down their necks hate being petty by thinking of the scum bottling it this season but its my silver lining to this loss.

 

[Saoirse]

I think all we can do is take the positive from this game. We made a LOT of chances which on another day we might have finished, it wasn't that poor a performance and we can learn from our first half defensive errors. What's more, it ends any title race talk - hopefully we can regather our league form, establish a gap down to fifth in the high-single or low-double figures, and concentrate on the cups.

We're the Yids. We've coped with far worse than this. And the season still has a lot of promise. We're in three cups, including the Champions League and a semi-final where we're 1-0 up at half-time. COYS!

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

Gonna be a mass wankfest over their keeper now. When the truth of the matter is they were all pretty much regulation saves. We should have buried at least 4 of those chances in the 2nd half and been out of site

I was behind the goal second half. I think if you were you would change your tune. His reactions and positioning were world class. Sometimes you just have to take your hat off to a world class display.

 

[rossdapep]

I was behind the goal second half. I think if you were you would change your tune. His reactions and positioning were world class. Sometimes you just have to take your hat off to a world class display.

Ben Foster has just backed this up. Positioning and standing strong make a huge difference.

Compare it to Hugo. Paul Robinson said Hugo over compensated to his left and gave Rashford more to aim for. De Gea didn't, he gave little for us to aim at, therefore our finishing had to be tip top.

I love Lloris but he doesn't half get caught out from that angle, happens very often.

 

[Dov67]

Just back from the game....not sure what's more annoying playing crap and losing (Wolves) or playing well and losing like today.

I am these days always worried when Mike Dean refs' our games, because as I've said before all this "Spurs bias" talk means he has to go and PROVE there is no Spurs bias. It looked like he was doing just that from where i was sitting but haven't seen any replays yet.

so was he as bad as appeared to those inside the ground??

 

[theShiznit]

Davies is not the player to suit playing Son on the left. Davies didn’t overlap once with Son. Rose would have done. Effectively we were playing with ten men first half. Such a waste.

Davies is a passer. Fired in some nice balls to the strikers between lines as usual. He's not a winger no but what percentage of or goals actually come from crosses? He's a much better passer than Rose. But because he can't dribble past a man he contributes " nothing "

 

[dondo]

That my posts are typically 'knee jerk'.

Where? Show me.

Or you are what you're accusing me of.

Thought it was obvious.
You critised Pochettinos tactics today after we lost a game that was nothing to do with his tactics imo, It was down to bad finishing.

 

[pablo73]

Just back from the game....not sure what's more annoying playing crap and losing (Wolves) or playing well and losing like today.

I am these days always worried when Mike Dean refs' our games, because as I've said before all this "Spurs bias" talk means he has to go and PROVE there is no Spurs bias. It looked like he was doing just that from where i was sitting but haven't seen any replays yet.

so was he as bad as appeared to those inside the ground??

Yes

 

[thinktank]

Me being new here has nothing to do with it. I’m new to the forum, not to being a Spurs fan. I’ve been through all the shit of the 80s and 90s and trust me if we lose Poch we’ll end up back there. You said he wasn’t ‘tactically seasoned’ to manage either Man U or Real Madrid and yet they are the two clubs that are after him so he can’t be that bad. If we had beat them 3-0 today like we did at their manor he would be a master tactician to everyone and it pisses me off when people slate him. I wasn’t arguing with you, just putting my point across. We lost today. I’m as pissed off as anyone but you can’t blame anybody but the players and possibly Levy for not allowing some coin for new players.

No hard feelings.

Them being after him is one thing.

Him actually going to those extremely demanding clubs and surviving, is another.

The things he gets away with, with us, are wholly because he's largely cut his chops here in the prem and we're used to him and realise everything here is a work in progress and ever progressing.

That margin vastly reduces once he goes to that size club, who expect to win things consistently - Titles/CL.

Me criticising poch, is not "slating" him.

No one is beyond criticism.

And, as you say, especially not Levy.

 

[SE Spurs]

Jesus Christ!
Lose a game, we should have won.
Miss at least half a dozen great chances.
Lose Kane and Sissoko, for f**k knows how long.
And now the Patriots have 35pts in the first f**king half.

What a shitty day.

 

[JCRD]

Just back from the game....not sure what's more annoying playing crap and losing (Wolves) or playing well and losing like today.

I am these days always worried when Mike Dean refs' our games, because as I've said before all this "Spurs bias" talk means he has to go and PROVE there is no Spurs bias. It looked like he was doing just that from where i was sitting but haven't seen any replays yet.

so was he as bad as appeared to those inside the ground??

]I am sure if you asked Manure fans they would say he was shit and asking the same question would result in the same response... but we didnt lose the game because of him therefore in my view it doesnt matter whether he was shit or not..

ps - whats more annoying is losing - i hate losing especially when it is a game that matters such as today or wolves... wolves pissed me off more, today i am like annoyed but let so

 

[thinktank]

Thought it was obvious.
You critised Pochettinos tactics today after we lost a game that was nothing to do with his tactics imo, It was down to bad finishing.

It was a collection of things.

All of which I have made critical comments on.

They had pacey wide players and we went narrow in the middle.

We kept relinquishing possession and they kept hitting the wide spaces.

We weren't clinical up top, but neither were we properly adjusted in midfield/at the back.

Where's the knee-jerking?

 

[SpartanSpur]

How is that not a big deal?

I can kinda see where he's coming from. Could have been a season ender if it was a knee injury for example. That said ankle will probably be a few weeks which is far from ideal with the games coming up and Son's international duty.

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

Davies is a passer. Fired in some nice balls to the strikers between lines as usual. He's not a winger no but what percentage of or goals actually come from crosses? He's a much better passer than Rose. But because he can't dribble past a man he contributes " nothing "

Which made Son ineffective and wasted

 

[werty]

For me a counter is when you are attacking, namely towards the opposition goal and the defending team wins the ball in their half and exposes the offensive positioning the other team has. This has little individual mistakes more to do with the positioning of the team. Sometimes you have to accept the possibility of being done on the counter when attacking. The difference is the goal we coincided was in part due to an individual error. In situation where we shouldn't be at risk.

I don't think we were in control. But I don't think its our right to be incontrol against Man utd. It was a yoyo first half end to end. We were trying create intricate moves in attack, often getting close to pulling them off, but getting exposed on the counter, which although scary, were largely dealt with. It was largely even, we got more shots off, but often from range, we had the best chance with winks, but they were countering very well and could of scored.

But, before conceding we were beginning to settle into the game. Man Utd hadn't got a shot off for almost 20 mins, at that same time we got 4 shots off. It sounds weird but Man utd actually had more shots in the second half. In most games we play a game where we trust our CB,they are both very good one on one, and often it appears pretty scary, but they deal with it.

Its not really comparable to Chelsea,Chelsea want to play a patient possession based game, we prevented them from doing that. Man utd wanted to play an open game, I think we fancied our chances in that kind of game and we didn't really try to change its nature. Maybe that was the wrong move, but I believe if we were to play the same kind of game we did today 10 times we'd win 7 of them.In the PL we created more chances today than any other game apart from against fulham. We are a team that often concedes more chances than we create, normally we go for quality over quantity. Today with our chances we should of done more, and for me that was our major failing, its not the first time this has been the case.

I disagree it was a yo-yo half. We also didn't prevent Chelsea from playing a possession game. We stop Jorginho for orchestrating the game, but they still had 60% of the possession. We invited their full-backs to forward by putting no one in front of them and then played it forward quickly to Son to exploit the space. That's what United did to us in the first half. We tried to draw them on to us with the ball but they didn't really budge. They were happy to let us have the ball in our own half or out wide with no options to play the ball forward. Rarely did we move Young or Shaw away from their centre backs for Son or Alli to run into.

We should have won, or gotten something from the game, based on what we did in the second half. We created most of our chances in the second half when we changed formation. If we continued playing as we did in the first when they would have gotten even more chances in the break. They had plenty that didn't result in anything tangible in the first half because there was a poor decision or pass made, but it was always there. It was only a matter of time before they took advantage of it. When Jamie Redknapp can see it coming you know it must be obvious.