Match Threads Spurs vs Norwich - Match Thread

[shelfmonkey]

Definitely not short term memory. Personally think Lucas has been very poor for a long time now, can’t remember the last time I watched him and thought “you played well”.

Agree with your other point, most of the team played poorly and have for a long time also.

You can't just single out Moura, the whole club stinks of lethargy, disinterest, lack of confidence and even bemusement at the moment, pointing the finger at a player whose not getting any service and playing a style (if you can call it that) that seems completely alien to him to is ridiculous! There are much bigger and deeper problems at the club than Moura looking shit at the moment!!

 

[Danny1]

We didn't become crap because of Poch, we became crap crap because Levy wouldn't/couldn't get rid of certain players (only Levy knows why, but we have our suspicions) that Poch KNEW he needed out of the club and replaced with equal or better quality!! Levy's continuing refusal (seemingly) to back a manager on the cusp of great things is becoming boring and is a real detriment to the club!!!

To be fair I didn't say it was because of Poch. What I am tired of is people saying "we were good under Poch etc etc" when in actual fact we really really weren't. Now who is to blame is up for grabs but all I am saying is that it is unfair to blame Mourinho for the mess we are currently in which appears to pop up a lot. There also seems to be a clear corrolation between the people slamming Mourinho and those who still have their heart with Poch.

 

[glacierSpurs]

We didn't become crap because of Poch, we became crap crap because Levy wouldn't/couldn't get rid of certain players (only Levy knows why, but we have our suspicions) that Poch KNEW he needed out of the club and replaced with equal or better quality!! Levy's continuing refusal (seemingly) to back a manager on the cusp of great things is becoming boring and is a real detriment to the club!!!

I really don't get the argument of blaming Levy sooo much. For all the flaks of not selling the unwanted players, where are the kudos given to him for signing us Lloris, Toby, Verts, Son, Eriksen, Lamela, Ndombele, Sess etc. GLC was loaned over the line, Gedson was done relatively early this time. Even Sanchez cost 42mil a couple of seasons ago and that was hefty.

And ffs, Levy doesn't wish the players to become shit. He delivered Wanyama as what Poch wanted. He became crocked and no market value to other, Poch had the largest responsibility to that. Poch had GKN at his disposal but you guys can tell me how much he was used. A player that could play but never play has no market value either, and all blame was placed squarely on Levy for not shifting him soon enough.

This is not to say who is to blame. But for the bad guy every time Levy always has to be just so the fans can love the manger more, he has far taken too much rap. At least not at the expense of almost immortalising Poch and as a cause of the poor results since the beginning of this season.

 

[Danny1]

You can't just single out Moura, the whole club stinks of lethargy, disinterest, lack of confidence and even bemusement at the moment, pointing the finger at a player whose not getting any service and playing a style (if you can call it that) that seems completely alien to him to is ridiculous! There are much bigger and deeper problems at the club than Moura looking shit at the moment!!

Fair enough and I don't disagree, however I was responding to someone who said Moura has been playing well recently so not sure why you have singled out this post for this rant? Would you say Moura has been playing well?

 

[Danny1]

I really don't get the argument of blaming Levy sooo much. For all the flaks of not selling the unwanted players, where are the kudos given to him for signing us Lloris, Toby, Verts, Son, Eriksen, Lamela, Ndombele, Sess etc. GLC was loaned over the line, Gedson was done relatively early this time. Even Sanchez cost 42mil a couple of seasons ago and that was hefty.

And ffs, Levy doesn't wish the players to become shit. He delivered Wanyama as what Poch wanted. He became crocked and no market value to other, Poch had the largest responsibility to that. Poch had GKN at his disposal but you guys can tell me how much he was used. A player that could play but never play has no market value either, and all blame was placed squarely on Levy for not shifting him soon enough.

This is not to say who is to blame. But for the bad guy every time Levy always has to be just so the fans can love the manger more, he has far taken too much rap. At least not at the expense of almost immortalising Poch and as a cause of the poor results since the beginning of this season.

Agree with this. The constant Poch love in that still goes on in here drives me nuts. He has gone, and rightfully so as the football & the results were relegation form (which is no exaggeration) as we had 24 points from 25 league games. We were absolutely dreadful under the last year of Poch reign & also people have to take into account the worrying point made by Trix I believe, when he said that very senior members of the squad were ready to up & leave if Poch were to remain.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Norwich City boss Daniel Farke, speaking to BBC MOTD: "I can't ask my lads for more. We played a side able to bring on Eric Dier, Christian Eriksen and Gedson Fernandes. "

Just shows how people have a different view of what we have available on the bench .

 

[Jenko]

What a load of shite, this is painful and there are no signs of anything improving with this squad or manager. Poch wasn’t tactically the best but he knew some of the players who were key first teamers had started to decline and wanted them replaced. Looking at the performances it’s clear that Jan, Toby, Rose, and Dier are finished.

I don’t blame Poch for being miserable and distant for the most of 2019, having to work with players who aren’t up to it and consistently getting fucked over by your boss even after delivering beyond expectations.

Poch constantly played rose and erikssen. We dont know what he wanted so don't use your guess to slag off the current manager. They are finished with the possible exception of Toby but they are popular members of the squad who can cause unrest in the dressing room if not managed correctly.

 

[whitelightwhiteheat]

Ultimately Jose is going to new several transfer windows to be able fix the mess that our squad is in and to allow him the opportunities to shape the team he wants. Until then all judgments should be postponed because right now due to necessity we're just going from one game to the next with whatever squad we have fit.

 

[shelfmonkey]

To be fair I didn't say it was because of Poch. What I am tired of is people saying "we were good under Poch etc etc" when in actual fact we really really weren't. Now who is to blame is up for grabs but all I am saying is that it is unfair to blame Mourinho for the mess we are currently in which appears to pop up a lot. There also seems to be a clear corrolation between the people slamming Mourinho and those who still have their heart with Poch.

Agree with you about Jose, he's got a monumental job on his hands!

 

[carpediem991]

Norwich City boss Daniel Farke, speaking to BBC MOTD: "I can't ask my lads for more. We played a side able to bring on Eric Dier, Christian Eriksen and Gedson Fernandes. "

Just shows how people have a different view of what we have available on the bench .

There is always hope someone takes our dross. Surely Hull and Stoke must have interest in Wanyama.

 

[shelfmonkey]

@davidmatzdorf What IS the reason then?!

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Instead of all the doom and gloom from many on this forum , watch this and cheer up https://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/2020/january/spurs-tv-special-gios-best-bits-v-norwich/

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Instead of all the doom and gloom from many on this forum , watch this and cheer up https://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/2020/january/spurs-tv-special-gios-best-bits-v-norwich/

I was popping in here to post that. It's highly instructive and, for someone who was at the match, looking at the overall midfield display, it's remarkable how many of the most memorable moments were the result of GLC's terrier-like approach and game intelligence. As I wrote on one thread or another earlier, he may not have Eriksen's ability with the sublime ball, but he has a wider range of skills and he certainly knows what to do with the ball when he wins it, which is frequently.

I'm hoping we'll look back on this otherwise-unmemorable match as the time when Lo Celso came of age as a Spurs player. He has everything it takes to play in this league - he just has to sustain that level and style of performance.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

@davidmatzdorf What IS the reason then?!

You have to include a link - I've no idea what to look for and no time to re-read the whole thread.

EDIT: see below.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

We didn't become crap because of Poch, we became crap crap because Levy wouldn't/couldn't get rid of certain players (only Levy knows why, but we have our suspicions) that Poch KNEW he needed out of the club and replaced with equal or better quality!! Levy's continuing refusal (seemingly) to back a manager on the cusp of great things is becoming boring and is a real detriment to the club!!!

I found it.

We haven't "become crap", we're in transition. We have let a few key players get old before their time (I suspect Pochettino's notorious training methods have taken their toll), before their replacements, most of whom are already at the club, have become accustomed to English football, or sufficiently experienced generally, and then become regular starters.

People keep wailing about our midfield. Lo Celso is only now ready. Ndombele needs to get and stay fit. Gedson has just arrived and looks the part. Skipp is available and up to the standard. By contrast, Sissoko, Winks and Dier have either been injured or recovering, Lamela is fragile, Eriksen is leaving and Dele is just Dele - you get the magic at the expense of the tricks that don't come off.

People keep moaning about our defence. We've been playing a high line without our sweeper-keeper, which coincided with a change in manager and has caused considerable discontinuity and lack of coordination. Tanganga is only now ready. Alderweireld is still good. Davies has been injured. Vertonghen and Rose are two of the players I referred to as "old before their time" and will play less and less. Sanchez is better than Mourinho apparently thinks.

People keep whinging about our attack. We're missing our main striker. Son is out of form. Lucas is being asked to win headers instead of getting the ball on the ground or behind the defence. Parrott is plainly not ready to lead the line - the manager said so in exactly as many words.

"Levy's continuing refusal to back the manager" is just egregious bullshit and always has been. It's a false fact. Fake news. A distraction from reality.

We're in the new stadium. We can pay the wages now. We made two record signings last summer. Let's see what happens over the next year. I always look at club development in a context of decades. We're having a tough season because we're in transition. People should stop whining.

 

[John48]

You can't just single out Moura, the whole club stinks of lethargy, disinterest, lack of confidence and even bemusement at the moment, pointing the finger at a player whose not getting any service and playing a style (if you can call it that) that seems completely alien to him to is ridiculous! There are much bigger and deeper problems at the club than Moura looking shit at the moment!!

I agree with Danny1 Moura has been poor for a good long while & unless he scores he offers nothing to the team other than to give the ball away whenever he gets it. To be fair it wasn't just him, Lamela was poor, as were others & we don't seem able to keep the ball especially up front & if you can't keep the ball you can't play football.

We might have got 3 points last night, but it was less than convincing & if Norwich were better in front of goal I think we might have lost because I thought they had the better chances,

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

I found it.

We haven't "become crap", we're in transition. We have let a few key players get old before their time (I suspect Pochettino's notorious training methods have taken their toll), before their replacements, most of whom are already at the club, have become accustomed to English football, or sufficiently experienced generally, and then become regular starters.

People keep wailing about our midfield. Lo Celso is only now ready. Ndombele needs to get and stay fit. Gedson has just arrived and looks the part. Skipp is available and up to the standard. By contrast, Sissoko, Winks and Dier have either been injured or recovering, Lamela is fragile, Eriksen is leaving and Dele is just Dele - you get the magic at the expense of the tricks that don't come off.

People keep moaning about our defence. We've been playing a high line without our sweeper-keeper, which coincided with a change in manager and has caused considerable discontinuity and lack of coordination. Tanganga is only now ready. Alderweireld is still good. Davies has been injured. Vertonghen and Rose are two of the players I referred to as "old before their time" and will play less and less. Sanchez is better than Mourinho apparently thinks.

People keep whinging about our attack. We're missing our main striker. Son is out of form. Lucas is being asked to win headers instead of getting the ball on the ground or behind the defence. Parrott is plainly not ready to lead the line - the manager said so in exactly as many words.

"Levy's continuing refusal to back the manager" is just egregious bullshit and always has been. It's a false fact. Fake news. A distraction from reality.

We're in the new stadium. We can pay the wages now. We made two record signings last summer. Let's see what happens over the next year. I always look at club development in a context of decades. We're having a tough season because we're in transition. People should stop whining.

The very last sentence, is quite possibly the most optimistic thing I've read in quite some time.

 

[TropicalYid]

Very happy for the three points.
Yes we dont create as much as we should. There is still plenty of work to do. But three points very important.

negatives:
Sessegnon was bad. But hes young and he will learn from this. Important he gets minutes. Believe we will see him come good later.
Eriksen. Horrible. Hopefully the last time we see him in a spurs shirt.


Positives
Aurier. Great game. Im usually very critical about Serge but last night he was good. Really good.
Lo celso. Great game

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

Another positive from yesterday, upon calmer reflection was definately Serge. He has been promising for what I think is 4 games in a row now.

When Davies is back into contention, I think we will see a much more organised defensive outlook. The panic over the wing back positions could well end up a distant memory.

 

[shelfboy68]

Another positive from yesterday, upon calmer reflection was definately Serge. He has been promising for what I think is 4 games in a row now.

When Davies is back into contention, I think we will see a much more organised defensive outlook. The panic over the wing back positions could well end up a distant memory.

I agree that aurier has been better lately but he breeds panic with his rash decisions which are waiting around every corner.