Match Threads Spurs vs West Ham - Match Thread

[Everlasting Seconds]

I really just don't fully understand how a team like that with a manager like Mourinho can't hold on to a 3-0 lead.
It wasn't Aurier's fucking fault.

 

[Ledley's Right Foot]

Aurier didn’t make an error today?

Getting a disagree rating by asking a rhetorical question, that's what I love about SC. We disagree with everything ??

Edit: I knew i could rely on you ES ?

 

[shelfboy68]

Freak result??? It reminded me of Newcastle but with more goals.

Poor poor result but serves as a reminder that this team still won't achieve much until this shit is sorted.

 

[Timberwolf]

It was a bit of freak result, West Ham, didn't threaten and got very lucky.

What we need to be is more game smart, the moment West Ham got the first, we need to just kill the game, take time with everything, knock the ball around a bit more, players need to go down and time waste. Something to take any momentum out of the game. Kane is great at doing it, but we need more players to switch to that winning mindset.

These are the small margins we are talking about. Better game management and we'd have come away with the three points.

The problem is, by the end of the game, most of our best 'game managers' were off the pitch or knackered.

Sissoko, Aurier and Lucas all have their strengths, but none of them are technicians and they aren't great at slowing the game down and knocking the ball around calmly. They're far more inclined to make an instinctive, erratic pass or try to run with it. Neither of our CBs are brilliant in those situations either: Toby is a good passer, but he's so slow these days and not exactly nimble while Sanchez isn't great on the ball and an average passer. Kane and Reguilon were tired, while Bale was peripheral and stayed pretty high up the pitch.

You need calmer heads like Ndombele, Lo Celso, or even Doherty on the pitch in those situations. Ideally a CB who is better on the ball too. Winks was obviously brought on to serve that purpose but it just wasn't enough.

 

[Ickle73]

It was a bit of freak result, West Ham, didn't threaten and got very lucky.

What we need to be is more game smart, the moment West Ham got the first, we need to just kill the game, take time with everything, knock the ball around a bit more, players need to go down and time waste. Something to take any momentum out of the game. Kane is great at doing it, but we need more players to switch to that winning mindset.

These are the small margins we are talking about. Better game management and we'd have come away with the three points.

I agree, it's a complete lack of game management and tactical flexibility for me.

Counter attacking football is all well and good but sticking to it at 3-0 up and trying to hit them constantly on the break is what did for us in the 2nd half. We constantly surrendered possession and really needed to pass the ball more.

I thought Son (goal apart) didn't have a great game, constantly surrendered possession. Bergwijn was the same too.

I really don't like Kane dropping deep all the time either, the number of times there was no one in the box added to the frustration for me.

 

[Shadydan]

 

[mumfordspur]

I really just don't fully understand how a team like that with a manager like Mourinho can't hold on to a 3-0 lead.
It wasn't Aurier's fucking fault.

Quite agree it was Sanchez's at 3-1 no panic at 3-2 - wobbly.
However it is so often down to Serge he is always likely to give something away.

 

[ero1x]

I'm done, I'm gonna support Leeds instead, bye

Mods can delete my account

See ya...

 

[Gassin's finest]

I do love a good "not good enough, get rid" type comment. We'd have no squad left if it was up to these lot

 

[mumfordspur]

I agree, it's a complete lack of game management and tactical flexibility for me.

Counter attacking football is all well and good but sticking to it at 3-0 up and trying to hit them constantly on the break is what did for us in the 2nd half. We constantly surrendered possession and really needed to pass the ball more.

I thought Son (goal apart) didn't have a great game, constantly surrendered possession. Bergwijn was the same too.

I really don't like Kane dropping deep all the time either, the number of times there was no one in the box added to the frustration for me.

Just seen this from Rice
“For some reason they dropped off us in the second half and didn’t try to kill the game off and I think we grew into it and we said at half-time that once we got one we felt like we could go on and get a draw or get a win."

 

[Gassin's finest]

I'm done, I'm gonna support Leeds instead, bye

Mods can delete my account

Love it.

All Leeds ain't we?

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Quite agree it was Sanchez's at 3-1 no panic at 3-2 - wobbly.
However it is so often down to Serge he is always likely to give something away.

The initial situation with Aurier was in fairly safe territory. The subsequent free kick was pedestrian. The follo-up on the deflection was horrendous, and there was a very good shot and some dumb luck that ended in a goal. Was it Aurier's fault that Lanzini had a once-in-a-season finish? What else is Aurier at fault for would he have prevented Covid and Brexit if he just took the notes from Spurscommunity?

 

[JCRD]

I said the exact same thing to my son while watching. Snodgrass muscles his way in front of Aurier and then falls to the ground. The contact was completely initiated by Snodgrass. He knew what he was doing and the ref fell for it.

To be fair, Kane does that a lot too... we dont moan about it. It is just clever play

Look we cant go around moaning about decisions against us because we benefit from those same decisions given to us...

Jose called the need for us to be intelligent ****s and he is totally right, we must be... we need to give as good as we get. Thats why we love Lamela, he and even Kane are the only two who perhaps are intelligent ****s.

 

[Monkey boy]

Reflecting back on it maybe the worst thing that happened yesterday is Fornals heading over an open goal whilst there was still 30 minutes left on the clock. Had he scored then maybe it would have woken us up somewhat or forced Jose to make different subs.

still can’t quite believe we ballsed it up to be honest.

 

[neogenisis]

I did not lose any sleep over this result at all, not even alittle bit. I am still knobbed off by it but in the end it was one of those results wasnt it, we did it against Arsenal, Villa and actually Ajax. There were mistakes made, some players were deffo abit shit, West Ham deserved the draw in the end. Move on.

 

[rightwayup]

As much as I don't believe Sanchez is ever going to be quite good enough for this level and he never fills me with confidence, the main reason we lost was that we could not hold onto the ball in midfield which exposed our weakness at the back. We went from looking like we were playing on a different planet to West Ham back to the bad old days of timid lifeless football. We allowed them to be on the front foot.

 

[WiganSpur]

The Ndombele sub was strange for me but I actually think it was West Ham playing well more than us doing anything particularly badly. They'd been pressing us and putting us under pressure all game but in the first half we were managing to break it occasionally and get Kane on the turn to cause all sorts of problems. Once they worked Kane out a bit they started to get control and create some dangerous situations.

Like I say that's why I thought keeping Sissoko in CM whilst Ndombele came off was madness. You might say he's on for the set pieces but got out jumped yesterday for the goal and the way I see it the more you keep the ball the less dangerous free kicks and corners you give away. If there's no need for us to counter and we just want to nip it around and waste time the opposition are obviously going to put you under pressure and Ndombele barely ever loses the ball in such situations.

I'd have taken Sissoko off for Winks or stuck him out on the right for Bergwijn. In retrospect, the Bale sub was probably a mistake considering how much joy they were having in the wide areas. I think he should have maybe gone 4-4-2 after 65-70 and then a 5-4-1/4-5-1 as below if we were still having problems. No chance they'd have had much joy in that scenario.

Lloris
Aurier -- Toby -- Sanchez -- Davies
Sissoko --- Winks --- Hojbjerg --- Ndombele --- Reguilon
Kane​

 

[Shadydan]

One thing that is constantly being overlooked on here (surprise surprise) is that West Ham actually played really well, they've been playing well since lockdown last year:



They actually looked decent yesterday and did well to put us under pressure to come back into the match.

This is going to be a feature this season I think mid table teams getting points off top teams, I think they have closed the gap on the top teams considerably.

 

[Guntz]

The Ndombele sub was strange for me but I actually think it was West Ham playing well more than us doing anything particularly badly. They'd been pressing us and putting us under pressure all game but in the first half we were managing to break it occasionally and get Kane on the turn to cause all sorts of problems. Once they worked Kane out a bit they started to get control and create some dangerous situations.

Like I say that's why I thought keeping Sissoko in CM whilst Ndombele came off was madness. You might say he's on for the set pieces but got out jumped yesterday for the goal and the way I see it the more you keep the ball the less dangerous free kicks and corners you give away. If there's no need for us to counter and we just want to nip it around and waste time the opposition are obviously going to put you under pressure and Ndombele barely ever loses the ball in such situations.

I'd have taken Sissoko off for Winks or stuck him out on the right for Bergwijn. In retrospect, the Bale sub was probably a mistake considering how much joy they were having in the wide areas. I think he should have maybe gone 4-4-2 after 65-70 and then a 5-4-1/4-5-1 as below if we were still having problems. No chance they'd have had much joy in that scenario.

Lloris
Aurier -- Toby -- Sanchez -- Davies
Sissoko --- Winks --- Hojbjerg --- Ndombele --- Reguilon
Kane​

My mates a toon fan and he said that Sissoko is probably one of the worst players in the air he's seen up there, considering his height. Can see where he's coming from now!

The guy could be so dominant but acts like he's only 4ft!

 

[King of Otters]

Tottenham Hotspur have recorded three of the past five cases of a home team leading a top-flight game by at least three goals at half-time yet failing to win: against Everton in April 1992, Manchester United in September 2001 and West Ham United yesterday. West Ham avoided defeat despite trailing by three goals for 66 minutes — no other team has done so in the top flight since 1980.