Mr-T
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Spurs WILL win the league
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Why find the need to point out that it is just his opinon? He did that very sufficiently* himself when stating IMO I would say.
His points are also very valid. Your answers aren't. We were offered VdV just before the deadline, so much just before that we didn't manage to get it done in time. I would very much say that can be categorised as "fell into our laps". It's not like it's a unique opinon to question the quality of the signings of the three mentioned strikers - we're all crying out for a better one aren't we? So, Crouch scored a goal therefore he must be a great signing? Flaweless logic that.
You elegantly skip his point about 3 prem goals in 2010, and then fail to admit that there is a vast difference in quality for some Premier League-temas. The 0-8, 1-9 team of Wigan was hardly world beaters even if they beat us the next year. Defoe scores in bundles, and not consistently - it's backed up by the facts. And as long as Keane is part of our playing staff, and you are denying he wasn't a good signing, it's quite a relevant man to discuss.
Play the ball, not the man ffs.
* sufficiently was a really hard word to spell! When I tried to look it up in the dictionary, it asked me if I meant stiffneckedly Eek
His points are also very valid. Your answers aren't. We were offered VdV just before the deadline, so much just before that we didn't manage to get it done in time. I would very much say that can be categorised as "fell into our laps". It's not like it's a unique opinon to question the quality of the signings of the three mentioned strikers - we're all crying out for a better one aren't we? So, Crouch scored a goal therefore he must be a great signing? Flaweless logic that.
You elegantly skip his point about 3 prem goals in 2010, and then fail to admit that there is a vast difference in quality for some Premier League-temas. The 0-8, 1-9 team of Wigan was hardly world beaters even if they beat us the next year. Defoe scores in bundles, and not consistently - it's backed up by the facts. And as long as Keane is part of our playing staff, and you are denying he wasn't a good signing, it's quite a relevant man to discuss.
Play the ball, not the man ffs.
* sufficiently was a really hard word to spell! When I tried to look it up in the dictionary, it asked me if I meant stiffneckedly Eek
guate
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Interesting, spellbinding times indeedy to be a Spurs fan. The younger ones are at last being exposed to decent footie, which, as we all know, is what Spurs are all about. The middle aged compare this team to the 80's and the Burkinshaw era while us older fans (over 60's) liken 'Arry's team to the heigh days of Billy Nick.
We haven't won the league for 50 years and IMHO never have we had a better shot that with the squad we have at present.
As everyone and their dog knows football is all about confidence (simple tactics are useful too) and at the moment we have bags of it. We've played a couple of league games now with 10 players and still gone on to score and eventually win. Some may even say we play better with 10 than with 11 as it opens the game up more and allows us to counter-attack and with our speed mechants, man, do we do that well.
In the past we would have been devastated with the injuries we've suffered to our squad these last two seasons, but whoever comes in steps up their game being determined to make that position their own, as competition is fierce in just about every position acrosss the field and as a result we've managed to stay in the hunt for the title.
Our management are constantly learning from all this mish mash of games, league and Champions, and consequently are better prepared than under previous regimes.
'Arry's motivational skills are second to none and tactic wise he more often gets it right than wrong.
The teams around us all seem to have their fair share of problems too, some more than others, and so YES, we can win the league this season and I for one believe we will, but not without a lot of white knuckle encounters along the way.
We haven't won the league for 50 years and IMHO never have we had a better shot that with the squad we have at present.
As everyone and their dog knows football is all about confidence (simple tactics are useful too) and at the moment we have bags of it. We've played a couple of league games now with 10 players and still gone on to score and eventually win. Some may even say we play better with 10 than with 11 as it opens the game up more and allows us to counter-attack and with our speed mechants, man, do we do that well.
In the past we would have been devastated with the injuries we've suffered to our squad these last two seasons, but whoever comes in steps up their game being determined to make that position their own, as competition is fierce in just about every position acrosss the field and as a result we've managed to stay in the hunt for the title.
Our management are constantly learning from all this mish mash of games, league and Champions, and consequently are better prepared than under previous regimes.
'Arry's motivational skills are second to none and tactic wise he more often gets it right than wrong.
The teams around us all seem to have their fair share of problems too, some more than others, and so YES, we can win the league this season and I for one believe we will, but not without a lot of white knuckle encounters along the way.
Mr-T
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I stated that this was just gibbs opinion on purpose as he uses 'IMO' a lot - going back to the previous page where he states that 'In His Opinion' Harry doesnt have a good track record with strikers, I felt it worth pointing out that VDV was a Harry signing. Regardless of whether he was a steal, fell into our laps or if he arrived by stork, it's irrelevant - Harry was the manager who said yes so the fact is that he IS a Harry signing. Yes we all want a new, top-notch striker but this is more to do with VDV's arrival and our change in formation and the need for someone who's good as a lone frontman. Perhaps there's also a hint of the often seen SC phenomenon of prematurely writing off players.
As for Keane, no one can dispute that his partnership with Berba was worth more than the players themselves individually - I think his re-signing from Liverpool was initially positive but ultimately turned out sour in the long run. Seeing as his move is imminent and we've likely seen the last of him in a Spurs shirt it seems pointless bitching about if he's a bad signing or not - he's as good as gone, contrary to your opinion, it is irrelevant.
Crouch scored a goal when it really counted, granted this doesnt make him automatically a great signing but his understanding (and assists) with VDV, Defoe and Bale would suggest that he is certainly not a bad signing.
Re Defoe and 3 prem goals in 2010 - I wasnt attempting to sidestep this. He was 6th top scorer in the prem last season and far from nearly costing us 4th, we actually wouldnt have done it without him. In the prem he scored more than Adebayor and the same as Torres. Yes he has had a drought (as all strikers do) and this has been hampered by injury (and now suspension), he has however scored since returning from injury in the CL so I cant see any reason why he wont return to the blistering form he showed last season (unless we want to write him off).
The prem teams are all in the same league are they not? Yes there is a difference in quality between the top and bottom teams (same as any league) but its not that big a gap. Anyone can beat anyone on their day as this season is showing and you underestimate teams at your peril as we have found out. Most prem teams contain many full internationals so to say Defoe only scores against crap teams is both disrespectful and probably a bit naive.
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I was talking to a Gooner friend of mine the other day and the first thing he said to me was 'Spurs are rubbing shoulders with the big boys this year'
I said to him all we need is a top class striker and we would be as good as any team in the league.
He said to me "but you've got Defoe he's amazing!"
I said that in my opinion Defoe is decent by far from amazing and he proclaimed he would swap Chamakh for Defoe in a second.
He also said Pav and Crouch are also good strikers, interesting to hear the opinions of fans looking in from the outside. The grass is not always greener and our strikers are not AS bad as we sometimes make out I feel.
Strikers need consistency to perform, any striker needs a run of games to find their eye for goal and ours have been blighted by injuries and rotation (changing of systems etc)
I don't wish to make excuses for them, they are clearly the weak link in our current chain and the area we need to improve upon most, but I think we have a tendancy to think the grass is greener all to quickly.
Harry hit the nail on the head when he highlighted the fact we shouldn't just sign someone for the sake of signing a striker, if we can find a super striker who will make a Klinsmann like impact then great (but this is hard to do mid season surely) or a striker to replace KEane on the cheap just to boost our options and squad depth for the season run in we should do that (Elmander fits the bill here)
but other wise we have VDV who is clinical and each of our other 3 strikers have pros and cons to their game but to write them off as not good enough is harsh and foolish. Yes they are not good enough for what we want/desire but they are easily good enough to do a job and have much to offer still.
Defoe will come good and go through another purple patch, it will be interesting to see how he links up with VDV when he hits form again. Crouch has shown time and time again that while he is limited he is a useful option and very good as an impact sub, Pav has shown potential but not quite good enough (which I think will prove to be the case long term) while not good enough to be our star striker who still can play a role if we fail to sign a star striker and him crouch and pav between them are enough to keep us in contention for the top honours.
Not up to the level of VDV/Modric/Bale etc, but not so bad that we should replace unless a genuine upgrade is within our sights.
I said to him all we need is a top class striker and we would be as good as any team in the league.
He said to me "but you've got Defoe he's amazing!"
I said that in my opinion Defoe is decent by far from amazing and he proclaimed he would swap Chamakh for Defoe in a second.
He also said Pav and Crouch are also good strikers, interesting to hear the opinions of fans looking in from the outside. The grass is not always greener and our strikers are not AS bad as we sometimes make out I feel.
Strikers need consistency to perform, any striker needs a run of games to find their eye for goal and ours have been blighted by injuries and rotation (changing of systems etc)
I don't wish to make excuses for them, they are clearly the weak link in our current chain and the area we need to improve upon most, but I think we have a tendancy to think the grass is greener all to quickly.
Harry hit the nail on the head when he highlighted the fact we shouldn't just sign someone for the sake of signing a striker, if we can find a super striker who will make a Klinsmann like impact then great (but this is hard to do mid season surely) or a striker to replace KEane on the cheap just to boost our options and squad depth for the season run in we should do that (Elmander fits the bill here)
but other wise we have VDV who is clinical and each of our other 3 strikers have pros and cons to their game but to write them off as not good enough is harsh and foolish. Yes they are not good enough for what we want/desire but they are easily good enough to do a job and have much to offer still.
Defoe will come good and go through another purple patch, it will be interesting to see how he links up with VDV when he hits form again. Crouch has shown time and time again that while he is limited he is a useful option and very good as an impact sub, Pav has shown potential but not quite good enough (which I think will prove to be the case long term) while not good enough to be our star striker who still can play a role if we fail to sign a star striker and him crouch and pav between them are enough to keep us in contention for the top honours.
Not up to the level of VDV/Modric/Bale etc, but not so bad that we should replace unless a genuine upgrade is within our sights.
Mr-T
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I stand corrected, you said 'mainly' instead of 'only'. Not that it changes the nature of what I've said one iota - some of the strikers may well be misfiring but that does not justify saying they are bad buys.
I did not say that either did I?
Yep. It is frustrating why Crouch and Defoe can score hat tricks for England and not score that many in 12 months for Spurs in the Prem.
Reminds me of an old post of mine in the "Striker problem" thread:
"Isn't it obscene that we need strikers?
Tell the armchair International fan that we have Crouch and Defoe, and then tell them that we desperately need a striker and I think it will surprise most of them.
I'm angry at them to be honest. How many goals has Defoe scored in 2010 in the Prem? How many has Crouch scored? It's pathetic. Bale and Modric is more than enough creativity for any team, yet combined they have a total of 1 assist between them in the Prem. How is that even possible?
To say Prem defenses has Defoe and Crouch "sussed" is an understatement. We need a striker with intelligence on the same level as Bale and Modric.
Defoe, Crouch and Keane need to go. I know I zoom in on the Spice Boys, but gat dayam surely they can manage a few tap ins/deflections during all of this possession we give them?""
Mr-T
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For the sake of anyone bothered about the specific, exact wording, you said "IMO Keane, Defoe and Crouch are not good signings".
Now I understand this is only your opinion and, that technically by saying 'not good signings' you arent explicitly saying that they are bad - however that facts do suggest that your 'opinion' has about as much validity as a Jamaican driving licence.
So I'm not allowed to call them average then? Because I tend to use the term "bog standard Prem strikers" when they come up. I think they are average.
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I have had this feeling for ages, we can win it and I think we may...or maybe just get 2nd.
It feels like last season, everyone wrote us off multiple times but we did it. And to do it after the FA Cup semi heartbreak...thats real character.
IMO Man Utd may just have enough mentally to pip us but I feel THFC will at LEAST be sitting 2nd come May.
It feels like last season, everyone wrote us off multiple times but we did it. And to do it after the FA Cup semi heartbreak...thats real character.
IMO Man Utd may just have enough mentally to pip us but I feel THFC will at LEAST be sitting 2nd come May.
worcestersauce
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This is where I sit too, why anybody would say it's between Utd, Arsenal and Chelsea when City and us are sitting on the same points as them, never mind one, two or three points that is not a lead with 19 games to go, if arsenal and Chelsea are in the race then so are we.
StartingPrice
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THIS
AND THIS
Some folk are just congenitally miserable FCUKs...and the 'we have been disappointed so many times' line ran out last year.
Ok. I'll bet you 100 quid via paypal that we don't win the prem.
If we do, I'll give you 200.
StartingPrice
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As explained on previous thread, SP has plenty of money riding on this season.
A nice wad on a top four finish at a surprising 7-2.
A couple of bets on us being best of rest outside Chelsea and United, at a handsome 9-1.
Several bets at several bookies for us to win the league at varying odds.
Even £2 with my Chelsea supporting nephew who didn't believe me when I said we would finish above them, so induced a bet with me, as to finish above chelsea we would have to 'win the league'. I explained that if that was the case he would have to give me better odds than the bookies, lets call it 49-1, so if I put £2 on (he's just a lad, working in Asda:grin
, I would win a round ton..
SP is not totally retarded, unlike some, and has never once stated we were favourites for the title, or that our chance was anything other than an outside chance...hence the bookies offering such 'pleasant' odds.
Wieghing up the odds, very few would back Spurs at miserly odds, only an idiot bookie (and one soon to be out of business) would offer them.
SP, however, will be handsomely rewarded for his belief by a hefty wad with anything from a 4th place finish on - even lower, if still above Chelsea.
p.s. they laughed at SP (literally) when he said 'get yer money on Spurs for a top four finish' before kick-off last season - and SP would like to point out that, despite a lifetime of virtually gamblaholickness that was the first time he had ever felt compelled to put any money on Spurs finishing position in the league. Obviously SP is a bit:duh:
A nice wad on a top four finish at a surprising 7-2.
A couple of bets on us being best of rest outside Chelsea and United, at a handsome 9-1.
Several bets at several bookies for us to win the league at varying odds.
Even £2 with my Chelsea supporting nephew who didn't believe me when I said we would finish above them, so induced a bet with me, as to finish above chelsea we would have to 'win the league'. I explained that if that was the case he would have to give me better odds than the bookies, lets call it 49-1, so if I put £2 on (he's just a lad, working in Asda:grin
, I would win a round ton..SP is not totally retarded, unlike some, and has never once stated we were favourites for the title, or that our chance was anything other than an outside chance...hence the bookies offering such 'pleasant' odds.
Wieghing up the odds, very few would back Spurs at miserly odds, only an idiot bookie (and one soon to be out of business) would offer them.
SP, however, will be handsomely rewarded for his belief by a hefty wad with anything from a 4th place finish on - even lower, if still above Chelsea.
p.s. they laughed at SP (literally) when he said 'get yer money on Spurs for a top four finish' before kick-off last season - and SP would like to point out that, despite a lifetime of virtually gamblaholickness that was the first time he had ever felt compelled to put any money on Spurs finishing position in the league. Obviously SP is a bit:duh:
spurs mental
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Check out the debate about this article on Bluemoon. When I say debate, I don't really mean debate. It's just a whole load of City fans going mental cos it was really only meant as a pop at them. There's even a filthy filth bag gooner over there.
jonathanhotspur
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gtog.
Rout-Ledge
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what does gtog mean?
jonathanhotspur
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Gotta Trust Old Gibbs.
