Spurs Youth Thread 23/24

[eddiebailey]

We need to fulfill the HG/CT requirements if we qualify for European competition next season too. We now only have Skipp, Whiteman, Austin and Scarlett

The candidates we have on the books for the club-trained spots next season are Skipp, Parrott, Austin, Whiteman, Tanganga and Lyons-Foster. As I understand it we don’t necessarily need to fill all the four club-trained spots, but it potentially leaves us light on players in Europe if we don’t.

Scarlett, Devine and Donley all qualify for the B-list, but our other first team adjacent youngsters such as Phillips, Veliz and Keeley would need be registered on the A-list, so don’t help with numbers.

I expect our club-trained contingent next season, whether on the A or B list, to be Skipp, Parrott, Devine and a keeper, with others being unloaded or going on development loans. Personally I would like to see Skipp on loan to get regular football but that potentially leaves us light of players, as would parting with Parrott.

 

[bombarda]

The candidates we have on the books for the club-trained spots next season are Skipp, Parrott, Austin, Whiteman, Tanganga and Lyons-Foster. As I understand it we don’t necessarily need to fill all the four club-trained spots, but it potentially leaves us light on players in Europe if we don’t.

Scarlett, Devine and Donley all qualify for the B-list, but our other first team adjacent youngsters such as Phillips, Veliz and Keeley would need be registered on the A-list, so don’t help with numbers.

I expect our club-trained contingent next season, whether on the A or B list, to be Skipp, Parrott, Devine and a keeper, with others being unloaded or going on development loans. Personally I would like to see Skipp on loan to get regular football but that potentially leaves us light of players, as would parting with Parrott.

I cannot imagine another loan for Skipp now, unless it’s with a view to a permanent move. I think there’s a squad place for him, for now at least. Actually thought he was our best player in the first half against Brentford, and couldn’t understand why he was taken off at half time. Which does however show how much I know.

 

[eddiebailey]

I cannot imagine another loan for Skipp now, unless it’s with a view to a permanent move. I think there’s a squad place for him, for now at least. Actually thought he was our best player in the first half against Brentford, and couldn’t understand why he was taken off at half time. Which does however show how much I know.

I still think Skipp has the potential to be a very good player for us, I just feel he needs more game time to hit his rhythm. A lower premiership loan could see him coming back to us a strong contender. But I agree it’s unlikely to happen.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

The candidates we have on the books for the club-trained spots next season are Skipp, Parrott, Austin, Whiteman, Tanganga and Lyons-Foster. As I understand it we don’t necessarily need to fill all the four club-trained spots, but it potentially leaves us light on players in Europe if we don’t.

Scarlett, Devine and Donley all qualify for the B-list, but our other first team adjacent youngsters such as Phillips, Veliz and Keeley would need be registered on the A-list, so don’t help with numbers.

I expect our club-trained contingent next season, whether on the A or B list, to be Skipp, Parrott, Devine and a keeper, with others being unloaded or going on development loans. Personally I would like to see Skipp on loan to get regular football but that potentially leaves us light of players, as would parting with Parrott.

Not the end of the world is it if we only have a squad of 23 for Europe. The likes of Devine will be able to play as under 21. They can all sit on the bench. Most of the time they won’t be used.
Certainly not a reason to keep someone just because he is club trained. If he’s not good enough he will never be used.
Does Sarr not count as club trained by the summer..

 

[Westmorlandspur]

We have better talents but they don't have the senior experience that parrot has and is showing.
It's interesting that we clamber for our players to go out on loan and when they do we seem to think they should be replaced by other prospects who are in the academy.

We have seen countless Mikey Moore's come through the club and upteenth Velizs. Every player that performs well at youth level gets billed as the second coming and what really do we have to show for it? Edwards was supposed to be mini Messi and he seems to have found a decent level in the Portuguese league. What happened to Reo Griffith, Nya Kirby, Onomah and Oakley Booth. These players that get billed as superstars in the making and then go out into the men's world and disappear.

On the other hand so many players that are unhyped leave the club and pop up 5 years later having moved up the ladder slowly like Berchiche, Troost ekong, Veljkovic or Adam Smith. Even Kane was definitely not the most talked about talent in his team before making a breakthrough after some loans.

I think we perhaps think our youth players are far better than they actually are and unless we've seen them tested against men we actually have no idea how they will cope.

For me I'd pick Parrott over any in our youth team any day of the week for a squad role at least until they had proven themselves in men's football.

(Not at you, just an interesting observation)

Reo Griffiths currently playing Sunday league. Onomah not even bothering to play.

 

[coy-spurs1882]

Even Scarlett can go on List B (U21).

Ah yes. Donno why I thought Scarlett is 22 next season, he is just 19 now

 

[eddiebailey]

Not the end of the world is it if we only have a squad of 23 for Europe. The likes of Devine will be able to play as under 21. They can all sit on the bench. Most of the time they won’t be used.
Certainly not a reason to keep someone just because he is club trained. If he’s not good enough he will never be used.
Does Sarr not count as club trained by the summer..

European competition can put a lot of pressure on the squad, particularly if hammies keep pinging like they have this season. You really need a squad of 25, particularly as we don’t have a lot of good B list options. Devine apart, if Scarlett and Donley go on loan, which they should that only leaves Dorrington and Santiago who have made the bench this season, and we should really be looking to get them out on loan too. Veliz, Philips, Keeley, Bergvall, Vuskovic, Lankshear and Soonsup-Bell are under 21 but don’t qualify for the B list.

Sarr will qualify as HG for PL next season, but Europe I think you actually have to have been registered at the club for the three whole years in order to qualify as CT.

 

[Sweech]

We have better talents but they don't have the senior experience that parrot has and is showing.
It's interesting that we clamber for our players to go out on loan and when they do we seem to think they should be replaced by other prospects who are in the academy.

We have seen countless Mikey Moore's come through the club and upteenth Velizs. Every player that performs well at youth level gets billed as the second coming and what really do we have to show for it? Edwards was supposed to be mini Messi and he seems to have found a decent level in the Portuguese league. What happened to Reo Griffith, Nya Kirby, Onomah and Oakley Booth. These players that get billed as superstars in the making and then go out into the men's world and disappear.

On the other hand so many players that are unhyped leave the club and pop up 5 years later having moved up the ladder slowly like Berchiche, Troost ekong, Veljkovic or Adam Smith. Even Kane was definitely not the most talked about talent in his team before making a breakthrough after some loans.

I think we perhaps think our youth players are far better than they actually are and unless we've seen them tested against men we actually have no idea how they will cope.

For me I'd pick Parrott over any in our youth team any day of the week for a squad role at least until they had proven themselves in men's football.

(Not at you, just an interesting observation)

We have not seen countless Mikey Moore's. No one has.

For his age he's regarded around the world as a generational potential talent.

Overall I get the point you're trying to make and Moore is no sure thing, but he's genuinely a very high level above just about anything we've had come through the academy for an incredibly long time.

 

[dovahkiin]

 

[mark87]

Donley back with u21s. No Santiago though, guess he could be backup with the first team.

 

[Tyler24durden]

Strange donley has been moved back, I thought he has done well in his cameos.

See Spurs Journo (has been very good with ITK) on Twitter is linking us with a move for 19yr old Patrick Dorgu from Lecce.

He’s Danish, not sure if this would be for the under 21s or as a back up to Udogie in the first team.

But certainly looks like another talented youngster may be joining us.

It’s nice to see and I’ve still got high hopes for Tyrese Hall who doesn’t get mentioned as much as he should.

 

[eddiebailey]

Donley back with u21s. No Santiago though, guess he could be backup with the first team.

No reserve keeper on the bench!

Seems to be a bit more rotation than earlier in the season, be interesting to see if we keep the momentum up.

 

[eddiebailey]

We have not seen countless Mikey Moore's. No one has.

For his age he's regarded around the world as a generational potential talent.

Overall I get the point you're trying to make and Moore is no sure thing, but he's genuinely a very high level above just about anything we've had come through the academy for an incredibly long time.

Worth remembering though that Mourinho was tipping Scarlett for England’s last World Cup squad, Pochettino thought Edwards could be as good as Messi and that Dixon and Parrott were Irish internationals before they were old enough to shave.

Moore is a very exciting prospect but let’s not hype the kid too much.

 

[GetSpurredOn]

Wonder if it’s more about getting more development minutes for Donley?

 

[mark87]

1-0 down.

 

[mark87]

2-0

 

[BehindEnemyLines]

We're through in the u21 cup already aren't we?

 

[mark87]

We're through in the u21 cup already aren't we?

Yeah, we won our first five games so won the group, still should be playing better though, and if the stats from Google are correct we haven't had a single shot yet.

 

[Sweech]

Worth remembering though that Mourinho was tipping Scarlett for England’s last World Cup squad, Pochettino thought Edwards could be as good as Messi and that Dixon and Parrott were Irish internationals before they were old enough to shave.

Moore is a very exciting prospect but let’s not hype the kid too much.

He's a much better prospect than either Scarlett, Edwards, or Parrott were that's the point.

Just because certain kids get hyped doesn't mean that Moore isn't what he is. He's a generational prospect, the hype is deserved.

 

[mark87]

3-0.

Still doesn't look like we've had a shot. And Peterborough went down to ten on 47 minutes.