Stan Collymore- Tottenham should have signed Gonzalo Higuain or Edinson Cavani

[Hazardousman]

He has a point though. Yes we are well run financially, but all the successful teams in the premier league (except Leicester) spend big and pay big wages. We might get lucky with Janssen or he could be the next Soldado.I think Collymore is saying that when you buy a big name striker, you buy 25+ goals a season. If Kane fails to find form like last year and Janssen has a poor first season, then where do the goals come from?

Since the EPL formed we have been outspent consistently and our trophy haul/lack of CL presence reflect that.

But we can't afford to spend big and pay huge wages, hence why we are building a stadium so we can do this in the future and then spend more money on wages and players.

We aren't Man City or Man United, we can't just be shit one season and then spend £200M to fix all our problems.

And quite frankly it wouldn't feel good if we did, City can win 100 trophies but people will always know they bought success and didn't work for it, I would us rather work for it, maybe I am old fashioned however.

 

[djw1973]

But we can't afford to spend big and pay huge wages, hence why we are building a stadium so we can do this in the future and then spend more money on wages and players.

We aren't Man City or Man United, we can't just be shit one season and then spend £200M to fix all our problems.

And quite frankly it wouldn't feel good if we did, City can win 100 trophies but people will always know they bought success and didn't work for it, I would us rather work for it, maybe I am old fashioned however.

Once upon a time....

"This summer, Tottenham Hotspur collected a world record transfer fee when they sold Gareth Bale to Real Madrid for a whopping £85.3 million, but back in 1961, it was Spurs who were breaking the bank themselves. They paid out a record fee of £100,000 to bring striker Jimmy Greaves back from Italy"

We have fallen behind hugely, we can't win trophies and rarely make the CL. This is down to our spending policy. Joe Lewis has plenty of money and could have bankrolled to a greater extent over the years. Now with FFP we may have a chance once the stadium is complete and hopefully we get an NFL franchise.

If we hadn't of lucked out with Kane in the last couple of years I'm sure our fans would be more vocal on this.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

If we hadn't of lucked out with Kane in the last couple of years I'm sure our fans would be more vocal on this.

What you call luck could also be called investing money into the Academy.

 

[Mr.D]

 

[djw1973]

What you call luck could also be called investing money into the Academy.

That is fine, we should have a balance of home grown talent, but we got lucky that Kane came through when he did and that he has hardly been injured. I watched Barca this week with Messi (home grown) and Neymar + Suarez rip Leganes and Celtic to pieces. Ok we are not Barca but we need to be more ambitious in the transfer market to compete.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

That is fine, we should have a balance of home grown talent, but we got lucky that Kane came through when he did and that he has hardly been injured. I watched Barca this week with Messi (home grown) and Neymar + Suarez rip Leganes and Celtic to pieces. Ok we are not Barca but we need to be more ambitious in the transfer market to compete.

I don't mind someone having that view, but Collymore was suggesting we spend £75m (+wages) on a 28-year-old striker who would somehow be willing to just be there to teach Kane, whilst turning down bigger clubs. That's just a stupid thing to even think.

 

[StartingPrice]

Once upon a time....

"This summer, Tottenham Hotspur collected a world record transfer fee when they sold Gareth Bale to Real Madrid for a whopping £85.3 million, but back in 1961, it was Spurs who were breaking the bank themselves. They paid out a record fee of £100,000 to bring striker Jimmy Greaves back from Italy"

I'm not sure about this (because I wasn't actually alive at the time)...but didn't we buy Greavsie after we won the Double? So, we broke the transfer record and won nothing!?! And this relates to Citeh consistently over several seasons spending huge amounts of money they never generated in any way and then suddenly winning things, for the first time since Tyrannosaurus Rex was a baby, how exactly?

We have fallen behind hugely,

I'm afraid that happened when Mr Scholar decided to use club money on his own private business ventures, I'm afraid. That is what we have been tring to catch up on.

we can't win trophies

No. Damned shame that. If we could, maybe we would try. But I am sure Poch won't bother trying as we can't.

and rarely make the CL.

Remarkably (in the literal sense that it is worthy of remark) we have finished in the top four three times in the last seven seasons - hardly our fault Abrahmovich, realising everything about his scam project was fooked when they finished 47th (or summit) bribed his way to a CL victory (no-one will ever convince me otherwise). In fact, we have finished fifth or higher in six of the last seven seasons, and even the anomaly was sixth placed. Compare that to Liverpool who earn and spend far more money than we do. Can you tell me the last time we had such a run of finishing positions (genuine question)?

This is down to our spending policy.

I know...darn it. The sixth best financed club consistently finishes higher than sixth due to not trying to outspend clubs with twice the revenues or a bottomless pit of oil money. Shame!

Joe Lewis has plenty of money and could have bankrolled to a greater extent over the years.

How much of his wealth is in liquid cash and how much in assets? You do realise that even if it was all in liquidity Roman would have about 20 times his wealth and the Sheikh about 80 times his wealth (please amend for hyperbole). Do you believe we could outspend them. Another honest question: Would you play brag against two people if you have a tenner and one had £200 and the other had £800?

Now with FFP we may have a chance once the stadium is complete and hopefully we get an NFL franchise.

Kinda negates your whole argument. We have a chance now because we haven't broke FFP. In any case, FFP has been shown to be something of a chimera. It really just prevents anyone from doing what you suggest we should do...to the benefit of teams who have much bigger revenues because they did so before FFP (which is probably why the Ruskie was one of the prime movers).

If we hadn't of lucked out with Kane in the last couple of years I'm sure our fans would be more vocal on this.

You do realise that investing heavily in youth recruitment and development in order to produce players like Kane has been a deliberate policy since 2005? And that this was after Levy toured the Continent looking at various models on which to base it? So not that much lucked out really.

 

[CowInAComa]

Once upon a time....

"This summer, Tottenham Hotspur collected a world record transfer fee when they sold Gareth Bale to Real Madrid for a whopping £85.3 million, but back in 1961, it was Spurs who were breaking the bank themselves. They paid out a record fee of £100,000 to bring striker Jimmy Greaves back from Italy"

We have fallen behind hugely, we can't win trophies and rarely make the CL. This is down to our spending policy. Joe Lewis has plenty of money and could have bankrolled to a greater extent over the years. Now with FFP we may have a chance once the stadium is complete and hopefully we get an NFL franchise.

If we hadn't of lucked out with Kane in the last couple of years I'm sure our fans would be more vocal on this.

Fallen behind hugely.

That is the single most amusing and ridiculous thing you could have said at this moment in time considering our last few decades.

 

[goughie1966]

He's been sacked from Talksport

Fantastic news, I might have to try and listen to Talksport again

 

[heelspurs]

He lost me at 'great white hope'

Had a white writer written 'great black hope' about a black striker he would have been hung drawn and quartered (or at least sacked).

you do understand GWH is a pretty well established sociological concept/term right? Was also a film and book by that title. Just getting to this thread so forgive me if others have pointed this out.

 

[Shanks]

I actually quite like Collymore as a pundit, I don't really like the idea of bringing up his past, we've all made mistakes in our time, unfortunately for him, his were in the public eye, but he seems to be dealing with his issues by his own admission, something needs to be admired about that.

Him aside, his opinions and ideas on football - I quite like his honesty with things, he's been there, he's done it, he's failed... it's certainly a different perspective from the run of the mill Neville and Scholes, who have only ever tasted success.

I get his point - Kane isn't exactly lighting up the world at the moment, Jansen isn't 'proven', we look very strong in our football, but our ability to put the ball away causes us untold amounts of pressure..

 

[Zlatan]

We have Harry Kane, one of our own who has scored 50 PL-goals i 2,5 seasons.

Sure, Higuain might be the better player. By a small margin. So of course we should sign him for £80M. This article is the funniest I've read for quite a while! And Cavani, no... Would not want anyways.

Fun monday-read though!

 

[waresy]

Stir into the mix two pre-season trips to Australia with Spurs...

Lost me when he stopped checking facts. Seem to recall he was at home this summer until the Inter game in Norway.

 

[yido_number1]

That is fine, we should have a balance of home grown talent, but we got lucky that Kane came through when he did and that he has hardly been injured. I watched Barca this week with Messi (home grown) and Neymar + Suarez rip Leganes and Celtic to pieces. Ok we are not Barca but we need to be more ambitious in the transfer market to compete.

Seriously comparing us with Barcelona is foolish. At the weekend I watched Utd lose 3-1 to Watford and look how much UTD spent in the market. I'm pleased with our business in the Summer. Janssen is a strong alternative to Kane. Sissoko and N'koudou add pace and Son looks like he has turned up this year. We will be up there at the end of the season.

 

[Hazardousman]

Once upon a time....

"This summer, Tottenham Hotspur collected a world record transfer fee when they sold Gareth Bale to Real Madrid for a whopping £85.3 million, but back in 1961, it was Spurs who were breaking the bank themselves. They paid out a record fee of £100,000 to bring striker Jimmy Greaves back from Italy"

We have fallen behind hugely, we can't win trophies and rarely make the CL. This is down to our spending policy. Joe Lewis has plenty of money and could have bankrolled to a greater extent over the years. Now with FFP we may have a chance once the stadium is complete and hopefully we get an NFL franchise.

If we hadn't of lucked out with Kane in the last couple of years I'm sure our fans would be more vocal on this.

I have to disagree with you, we are currently sitting third in the league after most of our players have been at international level all summer, we haven't even hit third gear yet let alone fifth and we have already played Liverpool who are considered by most (deluded) people to be title contenders and got a draw despite them turning up for the big games only and quite frankly we could have won at the end even though they battered us for most of it, but again, we haven't even hit third gear yet and we were even worse against them and yet look at us, still unbeaten, this shows maturity to me and that we have learned from last season, sometimes you have to win ugly.

We also have more points than we did last season at this stage despite not playing anywhere near as well and we have consistently finished in the top six for years now despite other teams throwing ludicrous amounts of money at their teams to try and fix problems.

I think the reality is some of our supporters at this point in time have unrealistic expectations of what we should be doing, we aren't going to win the league every year, hell winning it once given our current financing would be a huge achievement almost on par with Leicester, other than last season nobody would have dared mention us for a title shot now we are talked up as constant contenders for it, I would not consider that falling behind.

I was vocal about this in the past but I can see that Levy is backing his man, spending the amount he did on Sissoko is proof of that as far as I am concerned, we have to be the way we are until the stadium is built, this is just a reality.

All teams have luck, we talk about being lucky with Kane, well people said the same thing about Modric and the same thing about Bale, you could go out and spend £100M on a player and he could be a total flop, money doesn't guarantee success, it just enhances the odds of it ever so slightly but either way, luck plays a massive part.

I would like to think Harry coming good is down to Poch and our training facilities and the fact that players like him can finally see something special happening at spurs, with the new stadium on the way, one of the best training facilities in Europe and a good team dynamic, these are the things that make true professionals thrive and succeed in my opinion.

So as I said, we just need to remain patient, Man City can win the league 30 times but it means nothing ultimately, sooner or later they will be replaced, it may be us, it may be Leicester it may be anybody, all we can do is focus on working to our maximum potential and understand that we have financial limitations compared to other sides and also, more importantly, understand that money does not mean trophies are guaranteed.

 

[djw1973]

I have to disagree with you....

So as I said, we just need to remain patient, Man City can win the league 30 times but it means nothing ultimately, sooner or later they will be replaced, it may be us, it may be Leicester it may be anybody, all we can do is focus on working to our maximum potential and understand that we have financial limitations compared to other sides and also, more importantly, understand that money does not mean trophies are guaranteed.

We need to remain patient? I think patience us one thing that Spurs fans have in abundance, what we don't have us trophies and the facts speak for themselves, spend big = win things.

Now that Kane could be out for a while, we only have Janssen as a recognized striker and he has no real Prem experience. Collymore may well be right after all!

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you the Winner of the 'Most Retarded Spurs-related article of the Year' award.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/tottenham-should-eased-load-harry-8859293

Tottenham should have eased load on Harry Kane by signing Gonzalo Higuain or Edinson Cavani

The England forward's form is the fault of Daniel Levy for failing to sign adequate support despite increased revenue from the Champions League

Look at the amount of football Harry Kane has played over the past three years forTottenham and England and it is easy to work out why he has started slowly again this season.

His breakthrough campaign in 2014-15 was followed with a trip to the Under-21s European Championship.

Then a gruelling, and ultimately frustrating, Premier League season last time out, in which he again played virtually every game, preceded another summer away with the senior England side at Euro 2016.

Stir into the mix two pre-season trips to Australia with Spurs and you’ve got yourself a recipe for sluggishness. In fact, worse than that – there were times in France when the 23-year-old looked like an old man.

I always worry that in England we are forever making someone the great white hope – we did it with Gary Lineker, we did it with Alan Shearer and we’re doing it with Kane, too.

That’s a big burden for someone still as young as Kane, on top of being the main man at Spurs as well.

I lay the blame for Kane’s lack of freshness with Spurs, because they could – and should – have splashed the cash to sign a world-renowned centre-forward to complement him by now.

This summer, Tottenham chairman Daniel Levy knew he had the added revenue from the Champions League and a third-place finish in the Premier League, so why he didn’t shell out for such as Gonzalo Higuain or Edinson Cavani is beyond me.

I know Higuain moved from Napoli to Juventus for a king’s ransom and that it would have taken a similar sum to get Cavani out of Paris Saint-Germain. But landing a striker of their standing would have been win-win for Tottenham and for Kane.

Signing a Higuain or a Cavani would have taken some of the pressure off and afforded him the odd break that most, if not all, players need.

Kane would also get the chance to learn from a world-class striker – and that same world-class striker would also be scoring goals for Spurs. And it would have put that extra bit of pressure for his place on Kane and all players need that.

That is a pressure Vincent Janssen isn’t going to give him. Not only that, but it would have given Kane the time he needs to develop.

Mauricio Pochettino could have told a Cavani, ‘Harry’s the future, teach him everything you know’. He could then have turned to Kane and said, ‘Watch this fella in training, watch his movement, watch his runs, watch his professionalism’. Everyone benefits.

I know people will say, ‘It’s Spurs, Stan, not Arsenal or Chelsea’. But they could have gone in with a blockbuster bid that would have convinced the player to join them. Players don’t go to China for anything but money and Spurs could have made their money talk.

They could have speculated big-time and they and Kane would have reaped the rewards.

With strikers, what happens is that sometimes they are on fire and sometimes they look like they’ve been doused by a hose.

Look at Diego Costa, great in his first season here, awful last time out and back on fire this term.

Gambling on Kane and Janssen in the Champions League may not work for Spurs and they need to be staying in the Champions League on a regular basis, not making an appearance every third season.

Kane, the Golden Boot winner last season, will come good again soon but he needs the pressure taking off him a bit – and the only way you can do that is by signing one really top-quality striker.

Otherwise he’s going to look fatigued, he’s going to look a little ‘after the Lord Mayor’s Show’.

He’s still only a baby, really, and we shouldn’t be relying on him being the main man for both his club and country.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

Collymore...... another reason to avoid Talksport and The Mirror

Wasn't he fired from TS?

He's prostituting himself on Sirius radio and apparently is launching his own radio talk show app? Does not seem that anyone wants the yappy prick.

 

[Snarfalicious]

I hope Janssen scores 40 in the next two months if only to shut his shit-sipping mouth for a minute.

 

[chinaman]

I hope Janssen scores 40 in the next two months if only to shut his shit-sipping mouth for a minute.

I'd be happy if he scores 10 in 2 months.