SpursManChris
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Then he should have specified "major."
Stop Chasing AVB
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Real_madyidd
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Whilst i am extremely sarcastic i really wasn't taking the piss. So many modern fans only enjoy goals, partly because The Sun, and partly sky sports. Sometimes a player who scores a hatrick isn't actually the best player. Sometimes the hard work just isn't appreciated. I myself learned this lesson with Michael Carrick, who i never appreciated. I also watched many Madrid fans learn this only after they had lost Claude Makalalaylallalaly (sp?)
Not really.
When talking about trophies and a club like Spurs (or managers in the context of Spurs), the vast majority of people rightly disregard the Intertoto, Zenith Data Systems or Johnstone's Paints trophies of this world.
As a matter of interest, if you are asked to list Tottenham's trophies do you insist upon including all of those listed below:
Football League Champions: 1950/1951, 1960/1961
The FA Cup Winners: 1900/1901, 1920/1921, 1960/1961, 1961/1962, 1966/1967, 1980/1981, 1981/1982, 1990/1991
Football League Cup Winners: 1970/1971, 1972/1973, 1998/1999, 2007/2008
European Cup-Winners Cup Winners: 1962/1963
UEFA Cup Winners: 1971/1972, 1983/1984
Football League Division Two Champions: 1919/1920, 1949/1950
FA Charity Shield Winners: 1920/1921, 1951/1952, 1961/1962, 1962/1963, 1967/1968 (joint), 1981/1982 (joint), 1991/1992 (joint)
Southern League Champions: 1899/1900
Western League Champions: 1903/1904
London League Premier Division Champions: 1902/1903
Football League South 'C' Division Champions: 1939/1940
Football League South Champions: 1943/1944, 1944/1945
Southern District Charity Cup Winners: 1901/1902, 1904/1905 (joint), 1906/1907
Dewar Shield Winners: 1901/1902, 1933/1934, 1934/1935
London Challenge Cup Winners: 1910/1911, 1928/1929
Anglo-Italian League Cup-Winners Cup Winners: 1971/1972
Norwich Charity Cup Winners: 1919/1920
Norwich Hospital Charity Cup Winners: 1946/1947, 1949/1950 (joint)
Ipswich Hospital Charity Cup Winners: 1951/1952 (joint)
Costa Del Sol Tournament Winners: 1965, 1966
Nolia Cup (Sweden) Winners: 1977
Japan Cup Winners: 1979
Sun International Challenge Trophy (Swaziland) Winners: 1983
Peace Cup (Korea) Winners: 2005
Vodacom Challenge (South Africa) Winners: 2007
Feyenoord Jubileum Tournament (Holland) Winners: 2008
Barclays Asia Trophy (China) Winners: 2009
I don't think so.
It's simply the benefit of decades of experience of the British football press and how they operate.
Barry Mead
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Anyone who knows me will attest that I love AVB and make no attempt to hide it. Personally I can’t think of any manager I would rather see in charge of my beloved Tottenham Hotspur than Andre Villas-Boas. He’s got style, class, and unshakable desire to succeed.
So why the hell are we trying to chase him out of our cub?
Don’t get me wrong, I accept that of late we haven’t been performing to the standard that a ‘top four’ team should, but to my mind I can’t think of a more catastrophic error than sacking Villas-Boas, even after the Etihad nightmare on Sunday.
We’ve all read articles this week about how he’s the bookies favourite to be the next manager to lose his job, about how the players all hate him, and about Spurs missing Gareth Bale.
To my mind I can’t think of a more catastrophic error than sacking Villas-Boas, even after the Etihad nightmare on Sunday
The thing is though, I and the vast majority of fans don’t care what makes back page headlines, I’m far too battle hardened to let any ‘exclusive’ in The Sun worry me or indeed change my opinion. What does bother me however, is when our ‘fans’ start demanding a revolution and calling for heads to roll.
Not only is this public witch-hunt detrimental to the team, it’s preposterous to comprehend where some of them are coming from.
I spoke to a fellow Yid in a builders merchants today, who watched Sunday’s debacle with two City fans and a Gooner, He asked me: “Do you think he’ll go?” to which I replied: “It’ll be the worst thing we could do.”
He cast a bewildered figure and the expression upon his face forewarned me that he was about to cut me down. Instead his response rejuvenated me, it filled me with hope and restored my faith in all of Spurs-kind “I dunno about that” he responded “But you’ve gotta’ stand by your club haven’t you?”
Amongst other things we spoke about, mainly reminiscing about the response after the 5-1 defeat by City at home not too long ago, and debating who would score our 8th goal when we thump United on Sunday, we both agreed that we as a collective have come a very long way in a short space of time.
This result may serve as a wake-up call and be the catalyst that our support needs. He poetically and elegantly mused that: “Some of them forget just how s**t we were.”
That in a nutshell is the basis of my argument. Comparable to seasons in the not too distance past, this is far from crap, this is joyously flourishing.
The first season that I can properly remember was the 2003-04 season, I was about eight and under the stewardship of David ‘Chimbomba’ Pleat we had just recorded a finish of 14th, and if those dizzying heights of mid table mediocrity weren’t enough for me to savour and brag in the school yard at break time, we had also thrown away a 3 goal advantage against a ten man Man City in the F.A Cup.
This result may serve as a wake-up call and be the catalyst that our support needs.
That is the quintessential Spurs that any true fan understands and to a certain degree cherishes. For every Ricky Vila in 1981 there is a John Macken in 2004. For every Danny Blanchflower there is a Johnathan Blondel and for every Glenn Hoddle there is Ben Thatcher. With Spurs, and to be fair the lion share of other teams, you have to take the rough with the smooth.
I’m not saying we shouldn’t aim high and expect the best, they are equally as Spursy as failing. Nor am I trying to sound defeatist. I’m merely asking that AVB’s era be judge by all recent seasons not just one particularly pleasant one.
Furthermore, to anyone who thinks that AVB’s sacking would ratify with instant and tangible success, who replaces him?
Who can we genuinely go out and get that would be an improvement? There are some laughable suggestions floating around Brian Laudrup, Jurgen Klinsmann, and most ridiculously of all a return for Harry Redknapp.
Many people suggest that we are not as good now as we were under good ‘arry, that may be so, but think of the players that have left us in that meantime, Ledley King, Luka Modric, Rafeal Van Der Vaart and Gareth Bale. (4 truly World Class players while they were here, not potentially world class, actual World Class.)
Furthermore, to anyone who thinks that AVB’s sacking would ratify with instant and tangible success, who replaces him? Who can we genuinely go out and get that would be an improvement?
Redknapp was lucky enough to have arrived at a time when expectations were low, and inherited a squad of decent quality, true he may have brought them along but the squad more or less remained constant in his time. Now compare that to the task at hand for AVB.
All four of said players have since left, and AVB has had to buy and bond an almost entirely new squad.
Fundamentally AVB is a better manager, and for those of you that use stats to berate him and promote Redknapp, here is one you may like, I’ll put it as brutally honest and as devastatingly simply as I can.
In his fledgling career as a coach Villas Boas has won three trophies. In Redknapp’s twenty plus year tenure as a manager he has only won one, he has also taken two teams down.
Calling for Redknapp now is like waking up next to Fearne Cotton, and pining for Fern Britain.
I’m not asking for much, just keep the faith!!
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from the fighting cock and I could not agree more with everything written above. All these snide AVB remarks in every thread, so fickle its comical
I think those that would rather look for a new manager see an inexperienced manager with what appears to be a belief in what worked in a weak Portugese League with the best team in it going to be able to be successful in the PL.
The trouble is we aren't in the Portugese league, we don't have the best team that has dominated the PL for best part of the last decade, we have far better quality teams to compete with at the top level and far stronger better organised defensively teams at the lower end that tend to seek to frustrate the top teams
Our football under AVB has been so dull and boring, we had a decent number of wins last season but underlying that was a strong belief that without Bale's ability to create and score some magical goals we would have finished with on much lower points, we have added about 14 new players since he has arrived and yet we still are playing dull boring football, but worse we are lacking both goals and direction when we have the depth of quality in the team that should be seeing us starting to look real challengers
So AVB can go for my part, I don't think he is the manager to take us forward, the big issue really for me though is that there's no value getting rid of one manager you have hoped could take the team forward but who hasn't unless you have targeted a manager who you believe can deliver
I'm very happy for the board to be looking at options but I hope if they are they have learned lessons from the Jol/Ramos saga and do so discretely. There's no value undermining an existing manager and imo doesn't do the club any credit where they appear to be quite blatantly sounding out replacements. Obviously in football it's not possible to stop rumour and speculation, but you can stop feeding the fires by sounding out new managers in front of the press
TheSecretNonFootballer
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Who have the club sounded out in front of the press?
TheSecretNonFootballer
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That slaphead bastard.
parklane1
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No i would rather believe what a player has to say who is part of the dressing room then some hack in the media ( usally with a agenda, even if it all it is selling papers), and some whispers from those who think they have inside information, you know the type of thing i mean.
" I heard from a guy who knows the groundsman they he was told by the dinner lady that she heard from a source that AVB has lost the dressing room "
parklane1
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Yes boss. in that case he should have included the solent cup as well.
parklane1
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That statment alone proves you know nothing about what i feel, i want us to back AVB yes i do and i believe he will turn it round. What i really disagree with is that sacking him after 16 months in charge is stupid, we have a history over the last few decades of replacing managers and its one of the main reasons we are always going through a transistion period. We have to try and get some stabilty and give managers time, 16 months is not a long time and anyone who thinks it is needs a reality check.
Francis Gibbs
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lose tomorrow and I think he may just be caught - Goons now 11 points clear in the season we were supposed to catch them after spending £110m
shelfboy68
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There will be quite a gap by the end of the season strange considering the last two seasons we have only been a point behind.
I wonder what could have caused such regression.
Barry Mead
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I was referring to when Levy et al were having lunch openly in a restaurant with Ramos with members of the Spanish press sitting a few tables away
Francis Gibbs
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I think we all know the answer and it's the same as where the buck stops - hopefully Levy will realise this soon if the crap his team have served up this season doesn't change starting tomorrow
shelfboy68
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Think your right I am really worried about tomorrow I don't expect to win as we can't score for shit but I hope we don't get trashed again.
Players get asked questions and if they have any sense they toe the party line. Unless they're utterly disaffected and in a strong position personally they're about as reliable as my arse in saying what's exactly happening.
matthew.absurdum
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I don't even think that we can really catch them after the signing of Ozil
parklane1
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Sorry, but as anyone ever told you that you speak bollocks most of the time.
Nope, you ?
