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kaz Hirai

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Anyone who knows me will attest that I love AVB and make no attempt to hide it. Personally I can’t think of any manager I would rather see in charge of my beloved Tottenham Hotspur than Andre Villas-Boas. He’s got style, class, and unshakable desire to succeed.
So why the hell are we trying to chase him out of our cub?
Don’t get me wrong, I accept that of late we haven’t been performing to the standard that a ‘top four’ team should, but to my mind I can’t think of a more catastrophic error than sacking Villas-Boas, even after the Etihad nightmare on Sunday.
We’ve all read articles this week about how he’s the bookies favourite to be the next manager to lose his job, about how the players all hate him, and about Spurs missing Gareth Bale.
To my mind I can’t think of a more catastrophic error than sacking Villas-Boas, even after the Etihad nightmare on Sunday

The thing is though, I and the vast majority of fans don’t care what makes back page headlines, I’m far too battle hardened to let any ‘exclusive’ in The Sun worry me or indeed change my opinion. What does bother me however, is when our ‘fans’ start demanding a revolution and calling for heads to roll.
Not only is this public witch-hunt detrimental to the team, it’s preposterous to comprehend where some of them are coming from.
I spoke to a fellow Yid in a builders merchants today, who watched Sunday’s debacle with two City fans and a Gooner, He asked me: “Do you think he’ll go?” to which I replied: “It’ll be the worst thing we could do.”
He cast a bewildered figure and the expression upon his face forewarned me that he was about to cut me down. Instead his response rejuvenated me, it filled me with hope and restored my faith in all of Spurs-kind “I dunno about that” he responded “But you’ve gotta’ stand by your club haven’t you?”
Amongst other things we spoke about, mainly reminiscing about the response after the 5-1 defeat by City at home not too long ago, and debating who would score our 8th goal when we thump United on Sunday, we both agreed that we as a collective have come a very long way in a short space of time.
This result may serve as a wake-up call and be the catalyst that our support needs. He poetically and elegantly mused that: “Some of them forget just how s**t we were.”
That in a nutshell is the basis of my argument. Comparable to seasons in the not too distance past, this is far from crap, this is joyously flourishing.


The first season that I can properly remember was the 2003-04 season, I was about eight and under the stewardship of David ‘Chimbomba’ Pleat we had just recorded a finish of 14th, and if those dizzying heights of mid table mediocrity weren’t enough for me to savour and brag in the school yard at break time, we had also thrown away a 3 goal advantage against a ten man Man City in the F.A Cup.

This result may serve as a wake-up call and be the catalyst that our support needs.
That is the quintessential Spurs that any true fan understands and to a certain degree cherishes. For every Ricky Vila in 1981 there is a John Macken in 2004. For every Danny Blanchflower there is a Johnathan Blondel and for every Glenn Hoddle there is Ben Thatcher. With Spurs, and to be fair the lion share of other teams, you have to take the rough with the smooth.
I’m not saying we shouldn’t aim high and expect the best, they are equally as Spursy as failing. Nor am I trying to sound defeatist. I’m merely asking that AVB’s era be judge by all recent seasons not just one particularly pleasant one.
Furthermore, to anyone who thinks that AVB’s sacking would ratify with instant and tangible success, who replaces him?
Who can we genuinely go out and get that would be an improvement? There are some laughable suggestions floating around Brian Laudrup, Jurgen Klinsmann, and most ridiculously of all a return for Harry Redknapp.

Many people suggest that we are not as good now as we were under good ‘arry, that may be so, but think of the players that have left us in that meantime, Ledley King, Luka Modric, Rafeal Van Der Vaart and Gareth Bale. (4 truly World Class players while they were here, not potentially world class, actual World Class.)

Furthermore, to anyone who thinks that AVB’s sacking would ratify with instant and tangible success, who replaces him? Who can we genuinely go out and get that would be an improvement?

Redknapp was lucky enough to have arrived at a time when expectations were low, and inherited a squad of decent quality, true he may have brought them along but the squad more or less remained constant in his time. Now compare that to the task at hand for AVB.
All four of said players have since left, and AVB has had to buy and bond an almost entirely new squad.
Fundamentally AVB is a better manager, and for those of you that use stats to berate him and promote Redknapp, here is one you may like, I’ll put it as brutally honest and as devastatingly simply as I can.
In his fledgling career as a coach Villas Boas has won three trophies. In Redknapp’s twenty plus year tenure as a manager he has only won one, he has also taken two teams down.
Calling for Redknapp now is like waking up next to Fearne Cotton, and pining for Fern Britain.
I’m not asking for much, just keep the faith!!

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from the fighting cock and I could not agree more with everything written above. All these snide AVB remarks in every thread, so fickle its comical​
 

ItsBoris

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Jan 18, 2011
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I can understand the argument that AVB needs more time to implement his ideas, and I would be on board with that if we were at least seeing some progress but I don't think I have seen any. However to describe our football as "joyously flourishing" is not something that I think most people would agree with.

Btw Kaz I hope you can refrain from "disliking" my posts as you were doing in the match thread. I think we can have a rational debate about this.
 

Archibald&Crooks

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Feb 1, 2005
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The time taken writing this is appreciated. Which is why i'm even going to bother asking...........

Which of the several threads this could have gone into would you like me to merge this with?
 

double0

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Aug 29, 2006
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Beautiful football is not all about free attacking open you score I score football.

Possession with swift attacks...a slow quick quick, I believe AVB is modelling for.
 

idontgetit

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Aug 21, 2011
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There's not many people on here saying sack him but there's a lot seriously fucking worried about what he's been up to and whether he really is as smart as people make him out to be. I don't think he's an awesome manager, I think he will become one but I'm worried how much we're going to suffer during the learning process. Fuck up too hard this season, Lloris/Verts/Sandro leave and we are back to where we were 5 years ago having been inches away from glory. Even if I did want him sacked, which I don't yet, it's rediculous to sack a manager at this point in the season so we'll just have to stick it out and let the chips fall where they may. I just find it difficult to watch
 

nedley

John Duncan's Love Child
Jul 28, 2006
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The time taken writing this is appreciated. Which is why i'm even going to bother asking...........

Which of the several threads this could have gone into would you like me to merge this with?

No wonder he hasn't bothered to reply to individuals he's disagreed with.

Just spent the last 3 hours writing this.
 

THFCSPURS19

The Speaker of the Transfer Rumours Forum
Jan 6, 2013
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Anyone who knows me will attest that I love AVB and make no attempt to hide it. Personally I can’t think of any manager I would rather see in charge of my beloved Tottenham Hotspur than Andre Villas-Boas. He’s got style, class, and unshakable desire to succeed.
So why the hell are we trying to chase him out of our cub?
Don’t get me wrong, I accept that of late we haven’t been performing to the standard that a ‘top four’ team should, but to my mind I can’t think of a more catastrophic error than sacking Villas-Boas, even after the Etihad nightmare on Sunday.
We’ve all read articles this week about how he’s the bookies favourite to be the next manager to lose his job, about how the players all hate him, and about Spurs missing Gareth Bale.
To my mind I can’t think of a more catastrophic error than sacking Villas-Boas, even after the Etihad nightmare on Sunday

The thing is though, I and the vast majority of fans don’t care what makes back page headlines, I’m far too battle hardened to let any ‘exclusive’ in The Sun worry me or indeed change my opinion. What does bother me however, is when our ‘fans’ start demanding a revolution and calling for heads to roll.
Not only is this public witch-hunt detrimental to the team, it’s preposterous to comprehend where some of them are coming from.
I spoke to a fellow Yid in a builders merchants today, who watched Sunday’s debacle with two City fans and a Gooner, He asked me: “Do you think he’ll go?” to which I replied: “It’ll be the worst thing we could do.”
He cast a bewildered figure and the expression upon his face forewarned me that he was about to cut me down. Instead his response rejuvenated me, it filled me with hope and restored my faith in all of Spurs-kind “I dunno about that” he responded “But you’ve gotta’ stand by your club haven’t you?”
Amongst other things we spoke about, mainly reminiscing about the response after the 5-1 defeat by City at home not too long ago, and debating who would score our 8th goal when we thump United on Sunday, we both agreed that we as a collective have come a very long way in a short space of time.
This result may serve as a wake-up call and be the catalyst that our support needs. He poetically and elegantly mused that: “Some of them forget just how s**t we were.”
That in a nutshell is the basis of my argument. Comparable to seasons in the not too distance past, this is far from crap, this is joyously flourishing.


The first season that I can properly remember was the 2003-04 season, I was about eight and under the stewardship of David ‘Chimbomba’ Pleat we had just recorded a finish of 14th, and if those dizzying heights of mid table mediocrity weren’t enough for me to savour and brag in the school yard at break time, we had also thrown away a 3 goal advantage against a ten man Man City in the F.A Cup.

This result may serve as a wake-up call and be the catalyst that our support needs.
That is the quintessential Spurs that any true fan understands and to a certain degree cherishes. For every Ricky Vila in 1981 there is a John Macken in 2004. For every Danny Blanchflower there is a Johnathan Blondel and for every Glenn Hoddle there is Ben Thatcher. With Spurs, and to be fair the lion share of other teams, you have to take the rough with the smooth.
I’m not saying we shouldn’t aim high and expect the best, they are equally as Spursy as failing. Nor am I trying to sound defeatist. I’m merely asking that AVB’s era be judge by all recent seasons not just one particularly pleasant one.
Furthermore, to anyone who thinks that AVB’s sacking would ratify with instant and tangible success, who replaces him?
Who can we genuinely go out and get that would be an improvement? There are some laughable suggestions floating around Brian Laudrup, Jurgen Klinsmann, and most ridiculously of all a return for Harry Redknapp.

Many people suggest that we are not as good now as we were under good ‘arry, that may be so, but think of the players that have left us in that meantime, Ledley King, Luka Modric, Rafeal Van Der Vaart and Gareth Bale. (4 truly World Class players while they were here, not potentially world class, actual World Class.)
Furthermore, to anyone who thinks that AVB’s sacking would ratify with instant and tangible success, who replaces him? Who can we genuinely go out and get that would be an improvement?
Redknapp was lucky enough to have arrived at a time when expectations were low, and inherited a squad of decent quality, true he may have brought them along but the squad more or less remained constant in his time. Now compare that to the task at hand for AVB.
All four of said players have since left, and AVB has had to buy and bond an almost entirely new squad.
Fundamentally AVB is a better manager, and for those of you that use stats to berate him and promote Redknapp, here is one you may like, I’ll put it as brutally honest and as devastatingly simply as I can.
In his fledgling career as a coach Villas Boas has won three trophies. In Redknapp’s twenty plus year tenure as a manager he has only won one, he has also taken two teams down.
Calling for Redknapp now is like waking up next to Fearne Cotton, and pining for Fern Britain.
I’m not asking for much, just keep the faith!!

____________________
from the fighting cock and I could not agree more with everything written above. All these snide AVB remarks in every thread, so fickle its comical​
I would/did have faith until we got raped by City. AVB has made me lose faith.
 

hodsgod

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Jan 12, 2012
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Beautiful football is not all about free attacking open you score I score football.

Possession with swift attacks...a slow quick quick, I believe AVB is modelling for.
This is a serious question, how do you know this is what he is modelling for? Because I just don't see it.
 

dagraham

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Sep 20, 2005
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So Avb is classy, stylish and has a desire to succeed. This isn't the x-factor. I don't care whether he looks good in a suit or not.

You say Avb is a fundamentally better manager than Redknapp and yet in that entire essay you've failed to give any real reasons as to what makes him such a good manager.

I believe he should be given more time but you just sound like hid dad or something.
 

yido4life

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Jul 2, 2004
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Ok I'm not sure what I feel about AVB I just can't work it out.

But I don't get this whole "remember when we were rubbish" argument. Trust me I remember when we were rubbish I got ripped about spurs everyday at school through the 90's....EVERYDAY!

But just because we had to settle for crap then doesn't mean we should now. The disaster that was the 90's saw us have some shocking players. Now it's different we have a talented group of players who should be performing better and by better I mean not getting beat 6-0.
 

CowInAComa

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Aug 31, 2012
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There is no argument of substance here as to why it would be crazy to let AvB go. I assume its the 'ferguson' argument.

It cant be based on progression, tactical innovation, style of play, substitutions or good squad rotation.
 

Flashspur

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Jul 28, 2012
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Beautiful football is not all about free attacking open you score I score football.

Possession with swift attacks...a slow quick quick, I believe AVB is modelling for.

sounds like a 13 year old's handjob to an old Pamela Anderson poster....ah memories
 

Gringospur

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Aug 31, 2012
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There's not many people on here saying sack him but there's a lot seriously fucking worried about what he's been up to and whether he really is as smart as people make him out to be. I don't think he's an awesome manager, I think he will MAYbecome one but I'm worried how much we're going to suffer during the learning process. Fuck up too hard this season, Lloris/Verts/Sandro leave and we are back to where we were 5 years ago having been inches away from glory. Even if I did want him sacked, which I don't yet, it's rediculous to sack a manager at this point in the season so we'll just have to stick it out and let the chips fall where they may. I just find it difficult to watch

Pretty much agree!
 

hybridsoldier

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Aug 2, 2004
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There is no doubt it is boring, but it is necessary. You change so much of the squad in one summer...its going to be like pretty much making a new identity and style of play. You have to be patient like Liverpool were with Rogers.

I don't understand why anyone would want to sack the manager now...what good would that do? Pretty much spell the end of this season. Judge AVB and the team at the end of the season.
 

Dharmabum

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Aug 16, 2003
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http://www.football365.com/f365-says/9044717/Debate-AVB-The-Manager-Not-The-Man

Debate AVB The Manager, Not The Man


Spurs' poor form as increased the pressure on Andre Villas-Boas, and rightly so. But Matt Stanger feels the discussion is unfairly focused on his character and not his management...

Last Updated: 27/11/13 at 12:50 Post Comment


Andre Villas-Boas has made mistakes this season. Those mistakes are not a) crouching on his haunches b) no longer crouching on his haunches c) blaming his team for the 6-0 defeat to Manchester City or d) not being Harry Redknapp. The first of those is an irrelevant idiosyncrasy, the third did not happen and the fourth, without an enormous amount of surgery, is impossible.

His mistakes are of a tactical nature in the understated task of integrating seven new players into a team that has lost its star. But you will not read a great deal about that. You will not read about Spurs sitting just two points behind fourth despite back-to-back defeats and a dismal scoring record. Instead, you will be told that Villas-Boas is 'beyond intense', 'a clipboard manager' (whatever that means) and 'always looking for someone to carry the can'.

You will be reminded that Spurs spent £107million and about the joke that they sold Elvis and signed The Beatles - the same joke that journalists relished in the summer before sharpening to a point in the autumn. Villas-Boas' veneer is certainly cracking and his stubbornness - such as his reaction to Hugo Lloris' concussion - merits discussion. But even that has been exaggerated. How exactly does it undermine his claim to continue in his current position?

The main problem facing Villas-Boas (apart from those surgery costs) is that Spurs are big enough to be the back-page lead - especially when words such as 'ashamed' and 'embarrassed' are thrown around - but not big enough for reporters to watch every week. That is why Andros Townsend is referred to as a 'symbolic pick' for England despite his less-than-impressive displays this season and why calls for Jermain Defoe to start in place of Roberto Soldado ignore the striker's inept performances against West Ham and Hull.

It is why Villas-Boas can lead Spurs to their highest-ever points total in the Premier League and yet be accused of being 'finally found out' just 12 games into the new campaign. The club is a honeypot when things go wrong, but when things go right - as they did for much of last season - they attract far less attention. Who wants to know Redknapp's thoughts when Spurs are achieving in his absence?

It is reminiscent of all those Stuart Broad columns in the summer and the moral outrage from 'chief sportswriters' after he refused to walk in the first Test against Australia. There is a lack of understanding that engenders shallow debate on Villas-Boas' management and, when the pressure increases - as it has over a stuttering start to the campaign - the depth of coverage far outweighs the detail. The only tactical issue widely discussed following Spurs' thrashing at City was Erik Lamela's selection on the left when he previously played on the right at Roma, as though that was the reason for shipping six goals.

Instead, the real focus has been on Villas-Boas blaming his players for Spurs' worst defeat since 1996, which would not necessarily be an awful thing even if it were true. While it has been reported that the manager said his players should be 'ashamed', he in fact said "we have to be ashamed of a result like this" and "it's a reality we have to face". He could not have done more to stress that he was talking about the group.

But the focus remains on perceived errors rather than actual faults. It is a no-win situation for a manager who has failed to ingratiate himself to the fourth estate after he touched the untouchables - Redknapp and Chelsea's old guard. Villas-Boas is the swotty weirdo with the notepad and the clipboard sitting in the corner of the old boys' club. He's the oddball autodidact when his predecessor has a long story to serialise. It seems this tale will never be about Villas-Boas the football manager, but rather the Portuguese traitor whose character flaws shine brighter than his success.
 
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