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Sugar daddy vs slow and steady

soup

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Looking at how we seem to have built one of, if not the best squads in the league, I thought it'd be interesting to compare our methods against those of Chelsea and Man City.

There's no doubt that the massive injection of cash helped put Chelsea top of the tree for a while and is now threatening on doing the same at City, but while both of those are currently looking to varying degrees unstable, I wondered if our long and laboured route is currently looking the better option to continued growth.

While it brings more immediate success, enabling mega wages and mega transfer fees to be paid, having a sugar daddy doesn't seem to be the be all and end all in football. At one end of the scale, Chelsea's barrel, if only slightly, seems to be drying. Roman doesn't seem to want to spend countless billions on players anymore and the result is a drop from Chelsea having arguably the best squad in the league, to now looking old and threadbare. They'll still be there or thereabouts, but they're not as scary as before. At the other end, at City, the players are still arriving thick and fast, in much the same way they first did at Chelsea and there's no doubting the quality either, but the camaraderie just doesn't seem to be there yet.

But while those 2 are gambling on more immediate success, will our method of slowly building become more fruitful in the long run?

Fair enough, it's not for trying, as in the past, we've also tried buying more points and on the way spent more than Arsenal, but have we got the mix about right?

To me, it's only become apparent over the past few weeks.

Not only are we playing better football with some of the best players we've had for years, we also seem to be building the team ethic that is needed at truly 'top' clubs. We now seem to be playing for each other, working together, truly gelling as a squad and most importantly we now look like we absolutely hate fucking losing. That's something I can't really say about many of the teams I've seen grace WHL and various away days over recent memory.

We now look like we've got good movement, good understanding between players, good anticipation and generally more intelligent play. Our fitness is enabling us to win matches in the last 10 minutes with our pace and style at the right end of the pitch instead of constantly losing to those last minute goals which have been so guilty of in the past. We still concede the odd stupid goal, but watch Match Of The Day, nearly every team does that, most goals conceded are stupid goals made by human error, even confessed to by the manager interviews after each game, very few are spectacular wonder strikes.

Maybe our medical facilities could still be questioned with the amount of injuries we have, but with the amount of effort being on show it's not really so surprising. It's not like when we used to be languishing in 16th place with 12 players out injured and known as a soft touch, we've changed since then, now our players are playing with genuine heart, head butts and all, getting stuck-in and now faaaaar from a soft touch. You cant blame them for getting a few more knocks.

Even in the media, they're running out of things to label us with, no longer softies, no longer just a cup team, no longer just a homer, no longer using Europe as an excuse for failure. Maybe we're still a bit shifty at the back, but sorry, I'm a Spurs fan, I'd rather be scoring up front and spending my money watching games full of goals than full of clean sheets. I'm sure I'm not the only one either. :)

To sum it up, were not perfect, we never will be, but we look like we've got confidence at last. I won't yet say consistency, as it always seems to early to say that around WHL!

So while Chelsea stutter (shameless tabloid expression, granted), and Man City try to come to grips with staying at the top, along with ironing out thier problems within the squad (which, if I'm honest I think are more media generated than fact - they'll be quite happy sitting 1st or 2nd all season), is our steady building of playing squad, playing style, team ethic and team bonding the better long-term solution?

Our way, in my eyes, is more comparable of that of Manchester United and the way they built themselves into one of the truly 'top' teams in the world. We're not where they are yet, not by a long way, but I really do see the signs starting to emerge.

To think back now, about the times we were warned that Levy and Enic were going to be the worst thing ever for Spurs by Rangers' fans and when we chuckled at Paul Barber wanting to bring Redknapp in sooner. Here we are and in a very enviable position compared to most other clubs both on and off the field.

So, as usual, I've probably gone over the top with my levels of optimism and I'm sure I'll get shot down for looking too high, too soon, but if there's anytime to kick on that momentum as a team and as fans, all pulling together, then it's now. I for the first time in years, I don't feel that foolish in saying so.

Let's carry on doing it 'The Tottenham Way'. :)
 

double0

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Slow and Steady for me. Stronger foundations and think an appreciation for fans seeing things develop- like smelling good food being cooked then presented for you to taste and eat rather than pre-set microwave dosh.
 

DEFchenkOE

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Gooners have done the same under Wenger to be fair, I definitely prefer this method. But just what if Abramovich had decided to buy us instead of Chelsea? And we now had 3 EPL titles under our belts in the last 5-6 years? Would we still be saying we wish we would have built slow and steady?

I think one thing we need is to maintain one manager for a long time, if there's one thing that Wenger/Ferguson have shown is that if you stick by your manager (if you believe he is the right man in the first place) then eventually you will see the rewards.

Too many times when teams go through blips the manager is sacked and then everything has to start all over again. Continuity is key.
 

dickyid

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Continuity isn't something you get from a manager in his 60's. This time next year we'll likely be looking for HR's replacement. We discarded the DoF role to grab Harry - the DoF role meant to give us continuity - so may be in for a bit of a bump as soon as 2012.
 

pops23

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slow and steady for me. I know so old school chelsea fans and even they have said they perfured the old 2nd division to what they have now as they feel the heart of the club has been sold and the new breed of "fans" dont have a clue.
 

pops23

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slow and steady for me. I know some old school chelsea fans and even they have said they perfured the old 2nd division to what they have now as they feel the heart of the club has been sold and the new breed of "fans" dont have a clue.
 

jimmy-jojo

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Slow and steady for me.

Man City's light is likely to burn bright for a short time but then will fizzle out.

What these sugar daddies don't realise is that it takes a generation to create a lasting footballing dynasty...the question is will the sheiks be willing to put in the money for the next 10-15 years?

The only way any success they have will be long lasting is if the next generation of football fans decide to support Man City instead of Man Utd, Liverpool, Arse, Chelski and Tottenhams of this world...that's not going to happen overnight. Who supports Man City outside of Manchester?

Also, with the new Financial Fair Play rules coming in, assuming there's no loophole to be exploited, I can't see how they can continue their current spending without falling foul of the rules. They just don't generate enough cash to stand up by themselves.
 

Dr Know

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As much as I want to agree with you guy's about Man City fading out I can't. I think Man city will be the new Chelsea and I can see them wining back to back titles if not starting this season then definitely next season. We have built a good club and I'm not just talking about players. If we had the finance to buy 3 good £30m+ players and pay high wages we would be right up there with them. The point I'm making is we've done the slowly surely and its served us well but I feel now is the time for a sugar daddy to top it off!
 

jimmy-jojo

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They may well win back to back titles but the bigger picture is whether it can it be sustained.

Will they be a Man United or will they be a Blackburn Rovers. My guess is that it will be more Blackburn...
 

NEVILLEB

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Levy lucked out when he appointed Harry

It could all have gone very wrong
 

jimmy-jojo

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Levy didn't 'luck out'...

He has stated on many occasions that he had wanted to get Harry in at least one occasion before he finally came.

I'm not sure what criteria you're using but presumably you also think Man Utd must have 'lucked out' when they appointed Alex Ferguson?
 

ryantegan

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The Tottenham way for me. I enjoy every single moment of it.
 

Mr Pink

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Its not even a contest or an issue for me - I hate the sugar daddy way.

So glad I am a Tottenham Hotspur fan, a successful Club which is run well and in the right way - always playing football the Tottenham way and look at the progress we are making now whilst entertaining just about everybody.
There is no comparison - our feel good factor must be higher.

City can stick their millions and their 50 defensive midfielders where the sun dont shine. Deep down they know they couldn't take the same amount of satisfaction from achieving success the right way - they can deny it all they like.
 

EastLondonYid

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Its kind of looking at 2 millionaires in a room.....

One made his fortune from scratch...potless to begin with and now a success.

The other one won the lottery....

I wouldn't mind either, but i know which one would get the most respect.

To achieve success the way we are doing it ,would give me far more plaesure,City will never be given any credit, it will always go down to the arabs dosh.
 

B0NZ0

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Jun 8, 2003
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You can always fill the cracks with money, but ultimately the house will crumble. Look at the likes of Chelsea and Shity, huge unsustainable ongoing costs, bloated players and fans with egos fat on their successes, owners with happy trigger fingers and a lack of love for the club or game...not for me. If Chelsea sack Carlo where do they go? What motivation is there for Ambro? Surely he has tried the lot, how much longer before he finally pulls the trigger on Chelsea? Shity are even worse state at least Ambro had some interest in the game, I bet the Shake has even less resolve or patience for the long haul.

The road may be longer, but the journey is far more enjoyable.
 

DogsOfWar

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Having a sugar daddy is a bit like being the banker in a game of Monopoly and dealing yourself 10 times as much money as anyone else.

Yes, you will win the game but the victory is, ultimately, empty.

The clue is in the name, sport, it's about skill, intelligence and hard work. That doesn't just apply to those on the pitch but to the whole structure from the tea lady to the chairman.

That doesn't mean it isn't about business or money. A clever chairman or manager can grow the business, build a new stadium, be clever in the transfer market and create a huge amount of money to invest in a team for success.
It's what United, Arsenal, and ourselves have done.

But Chelsea and City are no longer football clubs, they are prostitutes, very good looking prostitutes but prostitutes all the same.
They have been bought and pimped, and whilst banging a stunning looking bird for cash may have its upside the next morning there's no pride in having had to pay for it. And certainly no long term satisfaction.
 

spurious1

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There is a bit of difference between the Chelsea and City sugar-daddy stories. Chelsea was already a pretty good team before they became Chelski. And Mourinho didn't just go out and buy every player that was in fashion at the moment, he actually built up a team (for example, his insistence on buying Drogba, who was certainly not the most fashionable striker in the world, was considered odd by many at the time). He also had a backbone of good players he built around. Chelsea fans probably didn't have too much trouble continuing to support their team without shame.

City was a pretty crap team, without many (any) good players. They just went out and bought whatever players some paper said was good, regardless of price, and threw them all together, let the team sort of figure itself out. I would imagine real City fans feel a deep sense of embarrassment.

If that happened to us, I think I would probably lose all interest in Spurs, since it wouldn't be a real club anymore, what interest in winning anything? It's like playing a hacked version of a football simulator, where you get infinite money. Any idiot can win that easily, where's the fun?
 
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