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soflapaul

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Sorry, you want to move the former Serie A defender of the season and a 2022 World Cup winning player who has only played CB throughout his career to RB?!?! Not only RB but a RB role where we just played a very attacking RWB in that position and beat Utd?!?!

Good god, what a terrible take.

We do need a new CB as at the moment we don't have proper cover for VDV if he gets injured. But we don't need a first team CB right now, especially without any European football.
Do i want to? No. is it a plausible solution? Probably. We now have 1 bona fide CB (Romero) and a probable bona fide CB (VDV) for Angebola. (sounds like a disease or a country) Therefore, the single most important position to pick up is CB as we are an injury or Red card away from a major drop down in quality in the starting line up. CF is the second priority. Also, Romero didn't have a Serie A defender of the year performance last season so he needs to be kept on his toes too.

Porro had a phenomenal game but I'm not banking on that being a consistent take because Garnacho attacked him strength to strength. Porro killled him in that duel but a clever attacker might get a different result. Maybe he's improving rapidly but we've all seen with our own eyes how poor his performances have been historically. With Emerson struggling at time, we need consistent quality performance as it is our weakest link. Both might come good. Both might come great. To be fair, Porro is new to the position and gave a glimmer of hope and perhaps he and Royal will be sufficient.

With regards to Romero, he obviously relishes going forward and his smart so i don't think he would struggle to adapt to that position. Is it ideal? No. but if Spurs got off their ass and picked up an imperious, world class center back who could actually lead, then our fortunes would take a massive tick upwards and we'd have depth in coverage. The Romero strategy is a direct reflection of how important i think picking up a world class CB is. Not a second tier player. a top tier player. Now the answer may be to move shift VDV wide or Udogie wide right but i don'tknow about their capability on the right. Cheers. in and of itself, it isn't a good idea but there is method behind the madness.
 

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Do i want to? No. is it a plausible solution? Probably. We now have 1 bona fide CB (Romero) and a probable bona fide CB (VDV) for Angebola. (sounds like a disease or a country) Therefore, the single most important position to pick up is CB as we are an injury or Red card away from a major drop down in quality in the starting line up. CF is the second priority. Also, Romero didn't have a Serie A defender of the year performance last season so he needs to be kept on his toes too.

Porro had a phenomenal game but I'm not banking on that being a consistent take because Garnacho attacked him strength to strength. Porro killled him in that duel but a clever attacker might get a different result. Maybe he's improving rapidly but we've all seen with our own eyes how poor his performances have been historically. With Emerson struggling at time, we need consistent quality performance as it is our weakest link. Both might come good. Both might come great. To be fair, Porro is new to the position and gave a glimmer of hope and perhaps he and Royal will be sufficient.

With regards to Romero, he obviously relishes going forward and his smart so i don't think he would struggle to adapt to that position. Is it ideal? No. but if Spurs got off their ass and picked up an imperious, world class center back who could actually lead, then our fortunes would take a massive tick upwards and we'd have depth in coverage. The Romero strategy is a direct reflection of how important i think picking up a world class CB is. Not a second tier player. a top tier player. Now the answer may be to move shift VDV wide or Udogie wide right but i don't have a strong enough opinion on their capability on the right. Cheers. in and of itself, it isn't a good idea but there is method behind the madness.
If we need a new RB then we should buy a new RB, not try and move our best CB, who's never played there before, into that position.

That being said you're almost certainly on your own if you think we need a new RB, as with Emerson and Porro we have two excellent yet different RB options at our disposal.

Moving VDV wide is a possibility as he has played there before, but I've seen nothing to suggest playing Udogie on the right is worth considering.

I agree we need a new CB, but to be available as cover for VDV should he get injured, as I wouldn't be overly keen using Sanchez as a left sided CB for any period of time (I think he's actually decent enough cover for Romero though).

For me Romero and VDV will prove to be a very decent CB partnership. But yes let's get another CB in this window, rather than try and shoe horn some round pegs into square holes.
 

soflapaul

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If we need a new RB then we should buy a new RB, not try and move our best CB, who's never played there before, into that position.

That being said you're almost certainly on your own if you think we need a new RB, as with Emerson and Porro we have two excellent yet different RB options at our disposal.

Moving VDV wide is a possibility as he has played there before, but I've seen nothing to suggest playing Udogie on the right is worth considering.

I agree we need a new CB, but to be available as cover for VDV should he get injured, as I wouldn't be overly keen using Sanchez as a left sided CB for any period of time (I think he's actually decent enough cover for Romero though).

For me Romero and VDV will prove to be a very decent CB partnership. But yes let's get another CB in this window, rather than try and shoe horn some round pegs into square holes.
Good response. I would not rate Emerson or Porro as "excellent" at this point in time. I like them both and they are young and still learning. But both have made plenty of mistakes as well as making plenty of great plays. Inconsistent defenders create opportunities for opposing teams. I want mistake free football in the back. You are right that moving Romero out to the right isn't a great answer and if VDV can play there, that would be better. I just haven't seen enough VDV on the right to "know" but i suspect that that Romero is a versatile defender. if you are convinced that they are excellent and will stay that way, your point of view is completely valid.
 

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Good response. I would not rate Emerson or Porro as "excellent" at this point in time. I like them both and they are young and still learning. But both have made plenty of mistakes as well as making plenty of great plays. Inconsistent defenders create opportunities for opposing teams. I want mistake free football in the back. You are right that moving Romero out to the right isn't a great answer and if VDV can play there, that would be better. I just haven't seen enough VDV on the right to "know" but i suspect that that Romero is a versatile defender. if you are convinced that they are excellent and will stay that way, your point of view is completely valid.
I think the issue was more the style of play than anything else. Our entire defence looked a shambles last season, but at various points Emerson and Romero looked very good. Porro obviously had limited time with us and in an attacking capacity but also looks quality.

It is too early to say for sure, but with pre season and two league games behind us now I can see Emerson and Porro being excellent RB options for us for this season under Ange.

Personally I think we need (and Ange wants to have) two players who both offer some a bit different for all our positions.

GK: Vicario & Forster - SORTED
RB: Porro & Emerson - SORTED
RCB: Romero & Sanchez - SORTED
LCB: VDV & ? - NEED SIGNING
LB: Udogie & Davies - SORTED
CM No.6: Bissouma & Bentancur - SORTED
CM No.8: Sarr & Skipp - SORTED
CM No. 10: Maddison & Lo Celso - SORTED
LW: Son & Perisic - JURY'S OUT
ST: Richarlison & ? - SIGNING NEEDED
RW: Deki & Solomon - SORTED

I'm probably being a bit harsh on the LW role as Perisic has actually looked good as a rotation option for Son, Solomon can also play there and if we had a new ST then Richi can play there too.

So really, IMO, all we need right now are two morning signings:

CB as the rotation option for VDV and ST as the competition for Richarlison.

Sure a bit more pace on the wing wouldn't go amiss, but I'm not sure it's critical. Likewise if we sell PEH then bringing in someone to provide more cover at CM would probably be useful, but again not needed.

Personally I think we go all out for Vlahovic and Tosin Adarabioyo and then that's our incoming business done for the summer.

Outgoings is then:

Lloris, Spence, Dier, Tanganga, Reguilon, Ndombele & Gil.
 

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HG is looking like a problem for us, but club trained will be a huge issue next time we qualify for Europe with us potentially losing tanganga as well as kand & winks. a few potential options:

i wonder if marcus Edwards could be an option as extra winger, think he’d fit the style needed if his attitude has improved now.

also think CCv could be an option as 4th CB, though injured currently

chelsea seem intent on signing a new RW and with sterling as well perhaps they will sell madueke, though he may have left too young to qualify

any others?
 

soflapaul

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I think the issue was more the style of play than anything else. Our entire defence looked a shambles last season, but at various points Emerson and Romero looked very good. Porro obviously had limited time with us and in an attacking capacity but also looks quality.

It is too early to say for sure, but with pre season and two league games behind us now I can see Emerson and Porro being excellent RB options for us for this season under Ange.

Personally I think we need (and Ange wants to have) two players who both offer some a bit different for all our positions.

GK: Vicario & Forster - SORTED
RB: Porro & Emerson - SORTED
RCB: Romero & Sanchez - SORTED
LCB: VDV & ? - NEED SIGNING
LB: Udogie & Davies - SORTED
CM No.6: Bissouma & Bentancur - SORTED
CM No.8: Sarr & Skipp - SORTED
CM No. 10: Maddison & Lo Celso - SORTED
LW: Son & Perisic - JURY'S OUT
ST: Richarlison & ? - SIGNING NEEDED
RW: Deki & Solomon - SORTED

I'm probably being a bit harsh on the LW role as Perisic has actually looked good as a rotation option for Son, Solomon can also play there and if we had a new ST then Richi can play there too.

So really, IMO, all we need right now are two morning signings:

CB as the rotation option for VDV and ST as the competition for Richarlison.

Sure a bit more pace on the wing wouldn't go amiss, but I'm not sure it's critical. Likewise if we sell PEH then bringing in someone to provide more cover at CM would probably be useful, but again not needed.

Personally I think we go all out for Vlahovic and Tosin Adarabioyo and then that's our incoming business done for the summer.

Outgoings is then:

Lloris, Spence, Dier, Tanganga, Reguilon, Ndombele & Gil.
Great summary. It's funny how when people explain in greater detail their thoughts how much they agree. The only difference for me is RCB (jury's out) and whether Sanchez is good enough. The one thing the list doesn't account for is positional flexibility. I don't want Romero or VDV playing RB but in a pinch, its a solution if Emerson and Porro struggle as long as there is an additional world class CB who can really lead as well as defend. Cheers.
 

Goobers

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I think we are almost at a point where, given that we are a one game a week side now and to qulaify for Europe the sqaud is plenty good enough.
the question is whetehr we want more from this season and want to build for the future for this team
 

Cochraam

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I'm at the point of the window where all I care about now are seeing some outs. We've had a squad full of bloat for years, but the noises at the start of the summer seemed really positive that everyone knew this and we were going to really clean out the squad; however things are moving incredibly slowly if at all. It's very frustrating because I feel like this is the start of what could be an amazing period for the club, so we need to clear out those unwanted players, open up the squad places, and free up the wages so we can fill the last 2 or 3 holes in the squad.

I also understand that moving someone like Ndombele is hard because he's just a giant red flag on high wages at this point, but I'm surprised we haven't managed to e.g., arrange a loan for Parrott or secure a move for Harvey White who I would expect to have a decent number of suitors able to handle what I would expect to be a relatively small fee and low wages. As an American, a lot of the news for the day has already broken when I wake up, and everyday I keep expecting to see some thaw in the outs, but it's crickets instead. Here's hoping things pick up pace soon and we get a few out by this weekend.
 

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HG is looking like a problem for us, but club trained will be a huge issue next time we qualify for Europe with us potentially losing tanganga as well as kand & winks. a few potential options:

i wonder if marcus Edwards could be an option as extra winger, think he’d fit the style needed if his attitude has improved now.

also think CCv could be an option as 4th CB, though injured currently

chelsea seem intent on signing a new RW and with sterling as well perhaps they will sell madueke, though he may have left too young to qualify

any others?
Apparently Dier wants the pick of clubs in 2024 so the solution might be to either loan him to Fulham for a year or let him move there for something like £2m on a one year contract. It's hard to see him not preferring that over being 5th choice at Spurs for a season. If Silva is promising him a starting spot then he'd be a fucking idiot not to stay in London and take it.

Then get Tosin from Fulham and sell Sanchez abroad for £8-10m.

I agree on Edwards though, I can see him being an excellent fit in this team - the only question is whether he is now mature enough.

I'd be happy with David, Edwards, Tosin and another CB coming in.

Sadly, there is no room for sentiment on foreign players like Dier and Lloris. They have to be unequivocally told that they won't be registered if they don't find clubs this window. We can't afford to have foreign players being the 5th choice CB and 3rd choice keeper respectively.
 

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Interesting listening to Gold and Guest pod yesterday about the numbers we need to shift to declare the 25 man squad to the premier league. Up to 9 could be off.

Hopefully the ‘ITK’ from coys/prof about outgoings/loans happening soon will come to fruition.
 

WiganSpur

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Interesting listening to Gold and Guest pod yesterday about the numbers we need to shift to declare the 25 man squad to the premier league. Up to 9 could be off.

Hopefully the ‘ITK’ from coys/prof about outgoings/loans happening soon will come to fruition.
I am very intrigued to see where Lloris ends up. Most clubs will have their first choice keepers set now so will only look at clear upgrades only you'd imagine. If I were him, I wouldn't be turning my nose up at being second choice for a CL club. Better than him being behind Forster here, or not even being registered.

Have to say i'm quite surprised he wasn't more active in trying to get a move earlier in the window where he'd have had better options but perhaps Levy had no desire to let him leave for free.
 

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now we need to get realistic whist showing a tiny bit of ambition

If we can get Nico Williams, Orban and Tosin then this window would be acceptable. Those 3 will cost 80m

Then just release players who wont make the squad of 25
 
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Apparently Dier wants the pick of clubs in 2024 so the solution might be to either loan him to Fulham for a year or let him move there for something like £2m on a one year contract. It's hard to see him not preferring that over being 5th choice at Spurs for a season. If Silva is promising him a starting spot then he'd be a fucking idiot not to stay in London and take it.

Then get Tosin from Fulham and sell Sanchez abroad for £8-10m.

I agree on Edwards though, I can see him being an excellent fit in this team - the only question is whether he is now mature enough.

I'd be happy with David, Edwards, Tosin and another CB coming in.

Sadly, there is no room for sentiment on foreign players like Dier and Lloris. They have to be unequivocally told that they won't be registered if they don't find clubs this window. We can't afford to have foreign players being the 5th choice CB and 3rd choice keeper respectively.


I think Dier might be a bit disappointed at the list of clubs he could pick from in 2024, especially if he sits most of this season out.
 

WiganSpur

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I think Dier might be a bit disappointed at the list of clubs he could pick from in 2024, especially if he sits most of this season out.
I agree, he's in for a rude awakening. And if i'm a coach of another club, it doesn't exactly scream hungry to play does it? Smells of a poor attitude to me. I think he'll end up going late in the window. I'd be surprised if he doesn't as he doesn't seem like that kind of character.
 

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now we need to get realistic whist showing a tiny bit of ambition

If we can get Nico Williams, Orban and Tosin this window would be acceptable. Those 3 will cost 80m

Then just release players who wont make the squad of 25
problem is baldy still wants to cut the loss and we are still struggling to move the deadwood
 

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I am very intrigued to see where Lloris ends up. Most clubs will have their first choice keepers set now so will only look at clear upgrades only you'd imagine. If I were him, I wouldn't be turning my nose up at being second choice for a CL club. Better than him being behind Forster here, or not even being registered.

Have to say i'm quite surprised he wasn't more active in trying to get a move earlier in the window where he'd have had better options but perhaps Levy had no desire to let him leave for free.
I'm surprised Real Madrid aren't interested and vice versa. I know they loaned in Kepa and Lloris apparently still wants to be a number one, but I don't really think of Kepa as a nailed on starter and being the #2 at Real Madrid is surely a good gig. We can't be asking much as a fee and getting Lloris and Kepa would seem like a really good job of dealing with Courtois' injury.
 

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problem is baldy still wants to cut the loss and we are still struggling to move the deadwood

Tbf to baldy he did go fairly big last season. But has reverted to type this season

Just from rough figures calculated looks like net spend over least 2 years is 190m

Would be interesting to get a comparison from other top 6
 

Goobers

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if we don't bring in the striker from elsewhere before the window closes perhaps it means we get to have Dane in and around the squadn playing from first team football ..
 

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Tbf to baldy he did go fairly big last season. But has reverted to type this season

Just from rough figures calculated looks like net spend over least 2 years is 190m

Would be interesting to get a comparison from other top 6
Net Spend - since 22/23

Chelsea (£573M)
Man United (£316M)
Arsenal (£314M)
Spurs (£190M)
Liverpool (£110M)
Man City (£58M)


Brighton +£166M
 

bubble07

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Net Spend - since 22/23

Chelsea (£573M)
Man United (£316M)
Arsenal (£314M)
Spurs (£190M)
Liverpool (£110M)
Man City (£58M)


Brighton +£166M

Cheers so if we can spend another 80 on Williams orban and tosin whilst selling what we can (say around 40m). Net Spend of 230m is acceptable comparatively speaking
 
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