Summer Targets & Plan

[agrdavidsfan]

Right now with the transfer window approaching faster than ever....we need to look at something to lift the doom & gloom!

Who realistically can we bring in? and what and where do we need to strengthen and last but not least who gets the boot from white hart lane?

For me we need to get rid of some of the less adequate squad players and replace them with players that could play at a high level in the first team.
Also how many of what do we need do we continue with trying to roll king out? personally i think its time we go out and replace him!

Whats your plan for the summer with players & managers?

In For Me
Strikers - Any 3 of : Adebayor,Remy,S.Fletcher,Prognybyak,Llorente,
Midfield (Centre) - Cabaye if we sell Modric he is the player i would replace him with i would spunk a good 20 mil on him! also need another creative centre midfielder...but not sure who
Wingers- Any 2 of : Hoilett,Jarvis,Adam Johnson,Redmond,Ben Arfa
Centre Backs : Vertonghen,Alderwield,Rio Ferdinand,
Goalkeeper : 2 of : Krul,Lloris,Gordon (as Back up hes on a free),Vorm
Right Back And Left Back Cover : Need a player who can play both sides for me but not sure i can think of one tho....Glen Johnson?.....shoot me down

Out
Modric - Sell him great player but hes starting to give up on us 30-40 mil end of we move on and draw a line in the sand
Freidel,Cudicini,Gomes - All 3 can go we need to look to the future and i cant stand the way freidel does not come off his line!
Corluka,Jenas,Bentley,Gio - All been here forever only corluka has ever impressed and jenas sometimes would get 20 mil for them all of you go!
Defoe - Great player for spurs but i think we have out grown him and his inability to play up top on his own sadly makes him irrelevant to us! 10 Million and wish him luck and we all know he will be back banging goals in for liverpool or somebody but thats the way he is! suits a middle club!

Dont forget we also have coming back Caulker who looks immense would love him to be paired with Kaboul! also Harry Kane & Andros Townsend also come back from their promising loan spells!

Manager situation
Redknapp is gone lets face that hurdle head on.

So who do we get to replace him

Moyes - Consistant always has a strong finish to a season and also always gives his teams that steely determination also doesnt take shit from anybody.....hes not stylish and probably doesnt suit the way we play but im sure he understands we play football at WHL and he would adopt to it at first i thought i would never want him as manager hes boring but i think thats exactly what we need!.

Rodgers - Total football....i watch him close hand alot of the time he is great but even swansea fans are getting scared that their style of play will get found out eventually in the premier league they also worry at the fact they get 80% possession every game! and never look like scoring reminds me of something that does! but i would love him to take over as i have family who are close to him and he deserves a shot at a big club! would his style work with better players would be become ruthless or would we get found out?. Is he worth the gamble?

Andre Villas Boas - Was the hottest property in management a year ago hes now the forgotten man do we take him? is he worth another gamble? was he treated unfairly or does his style simply not fit the premier league or is he maybe too continental?

Outside bets

Roy Hodgson - Shaky start at west brom but now seems to have got them firing on all cylinders he faltered at liverpool but do we take him? give him another chance or is he to similar to harry? personally if i was the FA i would give him the England Gig as he has the international experience on top and he always seems to get results every where he goes except Liverpool but not even "king kenny" can

Fabio Capello - One of the greats of club management poor english and is probably hated by most of england but would we take him? hes a bit of a tactical genius and also a bit of a I take no shit man which is what we need but is he worth the risk?

Martin Jol - We love him he loves us? but would he be a step in the right direction? could we handle his 89th minute subs again and also would levy ever take him back? would martin take us back?

Rafa Bentiez - Everytime i read an article on our next manager somehow his name always seems to crop up i dont want him near our club top bloke but no thank you but whats everybody else is thoughts on him?

 

[RichieS]

I posted this in Spurvert's "Transfer Targets..." thread. I stand by it.

I don't get why many people seem to think vdV will go? I get the impression that he loves it here and remember that he's done the "main man at 2nd tier club, move to massive club" thing before and it didn't work out too well for him.

It's hard to pre-empt the coming summer's transfer dealings because we don't know what the management situation will be. I think it's pretty much certain that Modric will leave and Gomes is out of contract so will definitely be off, but beyond that who knows? I wouldn't be particularly surprised (or at all disappointed) if our 25 next season was

Friedel
Cudicini
Gomes replacement

Kaboul
Gallas
Dawson
Caulker
Bassong
Walker
Naughton
Assou-Ekotto

Sandro
Parker
Livermore
Huddlestone
Jenas
Young Modric type
vdV
Lennon
New wideman
Bale
Townsend

New striker
New striker
Saha.

On writing that out, it's also occurred to me that the only signings that are particularly affected by CL qualification are the strikers. I think the 'keeper would be a late 20s "solid pro" type to bridge the gap between Friedel/Cudicini and Button (apparently very highly rated) coming through. I can see us making serious moves for Joe Allen, particularly if we get Rodgers as manager and he certainly won't be demanding CL football. I think the wideman would be Hoilett or Krasic, again neither are at the level where they'd be expecting a move to a CL club.

The striker situation is anybody's guess! If we get CL, then maybe we'd keep Adebayor and probably be able to attract Damiao, Huntelaar, Rossi or Remy. Without CL, we'd have to go a bit more under the radar and I don't watch enough foreign football to know who to suggest. Slightly more obscure names I've seen mentioned on here - Moussa Sow, Seydou Doumbia, Olivier Giroud, Osvaldo, Mario Mandzukic and I'm sure there are many more we could attract who would be more than adequate for us. Perhaps if Liverpool were to move Carroll on for sensible money we'd be interested...

We have to understand that whilst we're certainly capable of competing at the top of the league (as we have shown for the majority of this season), until we get that new stadium we won't be able to make the final jump to CL regulars. As long as we can maintain a position there or thereabouts we'll be ok, and I think a regular matchday 18 of

--------------Friedel---------------
Walker--Gallas--Kaboul-----BAE
--------------Sandro---------------
---------Parker------vdV----------
Lennon------------------------Bale
--------------Striker---------------

Cudicini, Naughton, Dawson, Huddlestone, Allen, Hoillet, Striker

would be more than capable of doing that for us next season.

To sum up:
IN
'keeper (Not CL dependent imo)
CM (Allen/Kovacic/other - not CL dependent imo)
Wideman (Hoilett/Krasic/other - not Cl dependent imo)
Strikers x 2 (who knows? - CL dependent)

OUT
Gomes (Free - end of contract)
Alnwick (Free - Released)
King (Retired)
Nelsen (Free)
Khumalo (Nominal)
Corluka (c. £2m)
Modric (c. £30m)
Kranjcar (c. £4m)
Rose (Nominal)
Bentley (Free - Released)
Pienaar (c. £5m - he'll be Everton's big summer signing imo)
Bostock (Free - Released)
Dos Santos (c. £2m)
Defoe (c. £5m)
Dawkins (Free - Released)
Obika (Nominal)

 

[agrdavidsfan]

totally forgot about seydou doumbia how is he doing? in russia would love him here

 

[Spurrific]

Why would you both get rid of Rose? Ridiculous

 

[Knarf44]

Firstly, we can forget about any Toon players if they finish above us. In fact we can also forget about the likes of Remy (2 goals this season I heard); Vertonghen; Lloris or any other player who will only want a CL team.

If Moyes comes in we may have a chance at him persuading Tim Howard and Felliani to follow him. Other wise we'll be looking at CL Clubs transfer lists and trying to pick up bargains. Don't disagree with your "Out" list but you might want to add Krancjar (£4m) and Lennon (£15m). Why Lennon - because he's proved this season, even allowing for his injuries, that he's not a big game player and no where near consistent enough or productive enough to warrant keeping him. Those who think he's the bees knees really need to pay more attention to him during games - by far the majority of his passes are backwards or sideways and he rarely gets into positions in the opponents box where he can do any damage and when he does his final ball is still crap most of the time.

 

[RichieS]

Why would you both get rid of Rose? Ridiculous

Because he's ok, but Naughton is much better (one of the rare fullbacks who can genuinely play on both sides) and I'd keep Bassong who is also capable of playing at left back (he played there a fair bit for Newcastle). I wouldn't necessarily want to get rid of Rose, but I can't see where he would get a look in really.

 

[RichieS]

Firstly, we can forget about any Toon players if they finish above us. In fact we can also forget about the likes of Remy (2 goals this season I heard); Vertonghen; Lloris or any other player who will only want a CL team.

If Moyes comes in we may have a chance at him persuading Tim Howard and Felliani to follow him. Other wise we'll be looking at CL Clubs transfer lists and trying to pick up bargains. Don't disagree with your "Out" list but you might want to add Krancjar (£4m) and Lennon (£15m). Why Lennon - because he's proved this season, even allowing for his injuries, that he's not a big game player and no where near consistent enough or productive enough to warrant keeping him. Those who think he's the bees knees really need to pay more attention to him during games - by far the majority of his passes are backwards or sideways and he rarely gets into positions in the opponents box where he can do any damage and when he does his final ball is still crap most of the time.

Really?! I thought he was pretty much our best player against Chelsea doing exactly this. His introduction won us the game against Swansea too. While he may not be a top level winger, his very presence stretches teams which assists us elsewhere on the pitch.

 

[Knarf44]

Really?! I thought he was pretty much our best player against Chelsea doing exactly this. His introduction won us the game against Swansea too. While he may not be a top level winger, his very presence stretches teams which assists us elsewhere on the pitch.

Oh he did and can do that when it suits him to but his consistency is poor to say the least. If you want to keep him then he's useful as an impact sub when with 20 mins to go he can come on and stretch already tired defenders but in my opinion we need someone who is much more direct, can chip in with a few more goals and won't go missing when the going gets tough.

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

Is Allen really the answer? I think his pass completion stats mask glaring holes in his game. Ancelotti won't come without CL, and I imagine PSG are paying him an absolute fortune so I can't see him moving. We seriously missed the boat on Ancelotti. With Moyes we can trade our shocking ends to the season for shocking starts to the season and some truly dire football.

Manager: AVB

Transfers in: Hernanes (£14m), Hoilett (Free) and three strikers of whom I have no idea who to sign/who would join us. Demba ba? Luuk De Jong? Das Bost?

We could get away without signing any defenders or a goalkeeper. Brad and Carlo could go one more season, with Naughton and Rose providing cover for the full back positions. Caulker will come in, but we may need to sign another CB (same problem as with the strikers, who could we sign? Vertonghen will want CL)

I would sell Modric but replace him with either a DM or box to box CM (like Yaya, but obviously not as accomplished). Sign Hernanes to compete with VDV, and then that way we could actually have a like for like replacement for VDV so our shape doesn't get destroyed when subbing VDV, or when he is injured.

And bring in Hoilett for obvious reasons.

 

[RichieS]

Is Allen really the answer?

I'm not saying he's the finished article or a ready made replacement for Luka necessarily, but I think he's a similar type of player who could perform the same role more than adequately and thus enable us to not have to change our system too much. agr I know rates him very highly having played with him on numerous occasions.

Remember that stats don't always tell the whole story, and if Allen is playing a higher percentage of forward/attacking passes then these are more likely to be intercepted or otherwise not find their desired target.

 

[Misfit]

As for targets - I'd be happy for us to Sign Hoilett for depth/comp for our wingers and he can also play centrally if needs be. Douglas from Twente would be a very good signing at CB.

GK and strikers - who the hell knows anymore.

 

[lillywhites61]

Firstly, we can forget about any Toon players if they finish above us. In fact we can also forget about the likes of Remy (2 goals this season I heard); Vertonghen; Lloris or any other player who will only want a CL team.

If Moyes comes in we may have a chance at him persuading Tim Howard and Felliani to follow him. Other wise we'll be looking at CL Clubs transfer lists and trying to pick up bargains. Don't disagree with your "Out" list but you might want to add Krancjar (£4m) and Lennon (£15m). Why Lennon - because he's proved this season, even allowing for his injuries, that he's not a big game player and no where near consistent enough or productive enough to warrant keeping him. Those who think he's the bees knees really need to pay more attention to him during games - by far the majority of his passes are backwards or sideways and he rarely gets into positions in the opponents box where he can do any damage and when he does his final ball is still crap most of the time.

I do feel with regards to Lennon he is losing faith in himself, if he was given the right encouragement and pushed. I think there is a cracking player in there, much the same as piennar. Look at him now with everton.

 

[lillywhites61]

Striker I would like t see would be doumbia.

 

[Adam]

Need to be realistic here as well. Whilst i'd love us to get rid of 10 and bring in 7 for arguments sake, that almost never happens, at any club. Would be surprised if more than 5 of the first team squad left and more than 3 came in, sadly

 

[Kingellesar]

No way we would get Llorente, his transfer fee would be high and I am sure most clubs would take him if they were willing to sell, doubt we'd be able to attract Lloris either, mind you pretty much every team in the Premier League has a young or experienced/very good keeper who are first choice. De Gae, Hart, Chensey Hawks, Cech, Krul, Howard, Given. So if a top class keeper is to come to the Premier League then I guess we are at the front of that line, so maybe we could attract someone good.

For me we should be looking at Krul for goalkeeper, assuming we beat Newcastle to CL. Up top is anyones guess, if we got Adeabyor then I would be happy with someone like Ba although we would be screwed for ACN so maybe someone European/South American, Leandro I guess but that seems like a no go.

Managerial wise, I can see us trying to go for someone like Rodgers/Moyes but would like to see AVB have a go, I believe he could do a great job for us and potentially build us a great team and great backroom staff. But yeah I think Levy might avoid foreign managers and stick closer to home.

 

[HappySpur]

I'm very much in the camp of a young gun manager. Give him time and let him mold the club around himself. Sure we may end up 14th one year, but long term success is a process. We have hit the tail end of a process started with Arnesen. It's time to cycle through and start anew in earnest. Is it Rodgers or Lambert? Maybe. But if we give them the job then we stick by them even if it starts off poorly. I doubt they could start more poorly than the current run of games that would entail the ECE or Epic Collapse Era.

And the most money we should spend is on a flipping scouting department. Bloomfield will be leaving, although according to Harry, he's hated every good player that we've been linked to So let's get a scouting department that will do what Comolli didn't do. Let's emulate Stade Rennes or La Masia or Ajax. Building something like that pays for itself and means you can party with City or Chelsea without the cash. We have the infrastructure*, so now lets build the club around the academy. And to do that we need the right setup of people from scouting to manager.

* well it's almost finished

We sale Bale and Modric and use them alone to rebuild the squad. I don't say this lightly with Bale. However, if we can get any cash out of others then do so. Of all the players we have, the only ones I feel that it is fundamental that we keep are young defenders: Caulker, Kaboul, Walker (who I love but I realize others don't) and one LB, who I just love. And yes, Kaboul and Walker we could make pretty good money on, but we have value elsewhere. I would hope to hold on to VDV but if he feels compelled to leave, I would thank him kindly for his time and allow him to return to a club worthy of his stature. Sandro is good, but will be looking to leave anyway, so you might as well cash in. Lennon is always injured but maybe we can get a load of cash for him. Everybody else is pretty damn old, so if we can get value we should.

And as for who we pick up.......honestly, that's impossible for any of us to say, because at the end of the day it's going to be so reliant on the next manager.....their style, their disposition, blah blah blah.....that we can't say Vertoghen or M'Vila or "enter new Brazilian name here". We have to wait and see. And then we can wildly speculate.

 

[Misfit]

Would you care to explain why my post is dumb, IOMLS?

 

[Kingellesar]

Need to be realistic here as well. Whilst i'd love us to get rid of 10 and bring in 7 for arguments sake, that almost never happens, at any club. Would be surprised if more than 5 of the first team squad left and more than 3 came in, sadly

Very true, getting rid of so many and bringing in a long list of players is nonsense.

Next season we will have back: Naughton, Caulker, Townsend, Huddlestone and Dawson. All of those you would imagine will get a slot in our 25 man squad. Then you need to factor in the likes of Bassong, Pienaar, Jenas, Falque and Bentley, all of which if we can't shift will surely have to be in our squad.

Realistically we will buy in the summer:

1 GK, 1 ST

Then maybe another ST but this could be a loan deal and then potentially another winger as back up. Other than that, a CB would be nice but we will have: Kaboul, King, Caulker, Gallas, Dawson, Nelsen and Bassong as worst case scenario. More likely take away Bassong and Nelsen leaving us with 5 CBs.

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

Would you care to explain why my post is dumb, IOMLS?

Haha, it's not dumb at all. It's a case of fat thumbs on an i-phone. Actually i went to the list to see who had marked it dumb and saw it was me but I've removed it now.

 

[Misfit]

Ah right. Thought you knew something about Douglas I didn't - like his hobby was murdering children or something.