Sven did ruin Defoe !!!

[woolfe-yid]

Now all the talk about Sven not starting and dropping Jermain Defoe as the downfall of his career I believe are talking nonsense. The fact is the Swede is the man who told Jermain to change his game. He told him he needed to be involved more in build up play. So now what we get is Jermain dropping deep to get the ball 9 times out of 10. What happened to the predator on the last defenders shoulder ?? Now all we get is someone who looks out of his depth trying to do a job that is alien to him and I don't think Jermain is realising that it's a problem.

So yeah, thanks Sven !!!

 

[joey55]

I think in terms of goals per minute, Defoe had his best ever season last year. I think people seem to be of the opinion Defoe has had a downfalll, when in reallity, it is more that Keane really started to turn it on over the last couple of seasons. So it's not so much a case of Defoe going backwards, but that he hasn't moved forwards at the same pace as Keane.

 

[philbcn]

I completely agree with you on this one, Joey.

Defoe isn't suddenly bad but the media likes to write stories up in an often lazy but certainly simplistic fashion and this was just an easier way for them to portray the situation without need of analysis as Joey has done.

Too many fans are sucked in to these misconceptions.

Check only the highlights of last season and you'll see that Defoe was banging in the goals in the early months (only a year ago) and hasn't gone south as a player, just that as Joey says, Keane's done better since.

I have no evidence but I'd bet that if someone looked they'd find media coverage at the time suggesting Defoe was superb and Keane was finished. It's just easier for most of them that way.

 

[Krafty]

I can see what you are saying. I think JD has added a string to his bow, he can now hold the ball up better as he has more strength, he works harder when we havent got the ball, but it can be to the detriment of his attacking play.

He should be on the last defender with his pace, but his off the ball=off side movement is annoying. However, we have all seen him drop a bit deeper, pick the ball up 30 yards from goal, take a touch and then spank it in.

I think he needs to learn a bit more when to work hard, and when to work smart. When we need a goal he should be looking to get behind the defence, when we are battling to protect a lead he needs to close down. However, I think he has suffered from a lack of quality service from the midfield and the midfield dropping terribly deep, for both club and country. I think Ramos is remedying this as he looks to introduce a high pressing game, allowing all the strikers to get in the danger are more often and allow the midfield to be in support of them when we win the ball.

If only someone could get England doing that, instead of letting the lazy midfield get away with dropping off onto the edge of our penalty box.

 

[stakesishigh]

Now all the talk about Sven not starting and dropping Jermain Defoe as the downfall of his career I believe are talking nonsense. The fact is the Swede is the man who told Jermain to change his game. He told him he needed to be involved more in build up play. So now what we get is Jermain dropping deep to get the ball 9 times out of 10. What happened to the predator on the last defenders shoulder ?? Now all we get is someone who looks out of his depth trying to do a job that is alien to him and I don't think Jermain is realising that it's a problem.

So yeah, thanks Sven !!!

agree 100%

I think BMJ told him he had to change his game as well at the same time. He needs to be more selfish and remember how he used to play.

 

[SpurSince57]

Unfortunately, this theory falls down when you realise that Defoe's goals dried up halfway through the 2004-2005 season, months before Eriksson and Jol 'messed him up'. If he'd carried on scoring at the rate he was doing before New Year we might well have got a UEFA Cup place a season earlier than we did. In fact, it's not inconceivable that we could have taken fourth.

I don't think any blame attaches to anyone except those Spurs supporters and sections of the press who've got it into their heads that Defoe is far better than he actually is.

 

[Real_madyidd]

agree 100%

I think BMJ told him he had to change his game as well at the same time. He needs to be more selfish and remember how he used to play.

Oh, is that what you think. Difference of course being the sven was reported to have told him to change, and Jol wasn't.

 

[SpurSince57]

Of course, Sven was responsible for JD fucking off for most of the games he played in 2005-2006, including the ones he came to see when he was making his final selection for Germany.

There is no evidence that MJ told him to change his game. There is, however, evidence that MJ was exasperated by Defoe's failure to convert his chances, of which he gets rather a lot.

 

[joey55]

In the 2 seasons when Defoe was more "selfish" we scored 47 goals both years. Since he's been asked to change his game, wether it be by SGE or Jol, the club have scored 53 goals and 57 goals int he 2 following seasons. So frankly who gives a shit if Defoe's personal tally is suffering, if the team as a whole is benefiting.

 

[SpurSince57]

Quite. And it's worth pointing out that the absurdly-maligned Bent has put away three of his four shots on target, a conversion rate that compares with the very best. Defoe has had three shots on target and has yet to find the back of the net.

 

[thfcsuperyid]

when i saw this heading i knew this story was rubbish...sevn didnt ruin defoe...lack of first team football did.

 

[Black]

I would like to see him behind the strikers i feel some times he too small to be played upfront

 

[Has1978]

I really like Defoe and hope he signs a new contract. I also hate Sven and think he is a limited shoddy manager.

However, to suggest that he ruined Defoe is very wide of the mark. In fact, I think Defoe has improved as a player the years he´s been with us.

 

[Jack2]

I don't think any blame attaches to anyone except those Spurs supporters and sections of the press who've got it into their heads that Defoe is far better than he actually is.

Couldn't agree more!

 

[Chuba]

Sven screwed JD's confidence by taking Walnut to the WC2006 instead of him.

 

[Flatters]

No one ruined Defoe. Like joey says, Defoe just didn't improve as much as Keane did. I don't think Defoe has really improved at all since we got him, but we now have three other strikers who are better than he is.

 

[SpurSince57]

Sven screwed JD's confidence by taking Walnut to the WC2006 instead of him.

Taking Wallmart to Germany was bizarre in the extreme, but Defoe certainly didn't deserve to be selected. Why wasn't Bent picked?

 

[truespur]

Now all the talk about Sven not starting and dropping Jermain Defoe as the downfall of his career I believe are talking nonsense. The fact is the Swede is the man who told Jermain to change his game. He told him he needed to be involved more in build up play. So now what we get is Jermain dropping deep to get the ball 9 times out of 10. What happened to the predator on the last defenders shoulder ?? Now all we get is someone who looks out of his depth trying to do a job that is alien to him and I don't think Jermain is realising that it's a problem.

So yeah, thanks Sven !!!

correct. its like asking michael owen to be more involved in games. outside the box owen is useless and you wont see him for 88 mins then he bags a brace. this is how defoe used to be, a fox in the box when he first joined

 

[Dibby]

I think in terms of goals per minute, Defoe had his best ever season last year. I think people seem to be of the opinion Defoe has had a downfalll, when in reallity, it is more that Keane really started to turn it on over the last couple of seasons. So it's not so much a case of Defoe going backwards, but that he hasn't moved forwards at the same pace as Keane.

:clap:

 

[Bulletspur]

Taking Wallmart to Germany was bizarre in the extreme, but Defoe certainly didn't deserve to be selected. Why wasn't Bent picked?

This is one of the very few times I have to agree with you! if form was anything to go by, Bent's name should have been on the team sheet first :shrug: