talk SPORT - Harry Redknapp discussing Luka Modric - Now 16:08

[danielneeds]

You like to think your a busy ****, but really your just a boring one. You're the Huddlestone of busy ****edness.




What VDV said must have had you splitting your sides then.

So are you telling me that you thought before Redknapp arrived here you thought he was great manager. An over achiever ?

What exactly did VDV say? I took it to mean Harry keeps things simple, doesn't try to micro-manage players, and wants them to express themself. You take it to mean that Harry doesn't do any coaching, and sits in his office giving interviews to radio stations all day...One set of words taken many ways.

I've said it many times on here recently, but I'll say it again, I don't think Harry is a perfect manager, he has many faults, no doubting that, but then so do most managers. I just take against your premeditated campaign which started ever since Ramos was sacked, and continues to bore the majority of us on here to death ever since.

You say Harry had talented squads at both West Ham and Portsmouth and should have done better, but doesn't take into account the fact that in the last 20 years both clubs have traditionally yo-yoed between divisions, and to achieve top-half PL finishes with both, when the culture and set-up of both was not that of a club accustomed to regular top class football, is no mean feat.

You can't disguise the fact that he is the only manager outside of the traditional top 4, and now Citeh to win something of note in the last 15 years. And he is our most successful manager by PPG in over 50 years. These things mean nothing to you because you want to prove a point that you started almost 3 years ago now. It is incredibly obtuse and boring.

 

[hybridsoldier]

I really don't understand why so many people don;t like Harry.

What he has said was bang on, before him and Jol we were a fucking joke for about 15 years. Even being 5th now is better than the shit we had to chow down under Francis, Gross, Graham, Hoddle, Pleat.

I do think people are getting carried away with one year in the CL, we play some of the most consistently brilliant to watch football around and are highly respected as one of the top 6 sides. Harry has done a great job alonside Levy, building on Jol's work, to take this club back to the top table of English football.

And people are saying he hasn't delivered? He is tactically inept? Get off your Fifa 11 and Football Manager dream lands and remember where the fuck this club was throughout the 90s and most the 00s

 

[Stoof]

Can we all take five minutes out please folks?

Getting a bit unnecessarily heated in here. Let's keep it civil, as I know you all can.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

What exactly did VDV say? I took it to mean Harry keeps things simple, doesn't try to micro-manage players, and wants them to express themself. You take it to mean that Harry doesn't do any coaching, and sits in his office giving interviews to radio stations all day...One set of words taken many ways.

I've said it many times on here recently, but I'll say it again, I don't think Harry is a perfect manager, he has many faults, no doubting that, but then so do most managers. I just take against your premeditated campaign which started ever since Ramos was sacked, and continues to bore the majority of us on here to death ever since.

You say Harry had talented squads at both West Ham and Portsmouth and should have done better, but doesn't take into account the fact that in the last 20 years both clubs have traditionally yo-yoed between divisions, and to achieve top-half PL finishes with both, when the culture and set-up of both was not that of a club accustomed to regular top class football, is no mean feat.

You can't disguise the fact that he is the only manager outside of the traditional top 4, and now Citeh to win something of note in the last 15 years. And he is our most successful manager by PPG in over 50 years. These things mean nothing to you because you want to prove a point that you started almost 3 years ago now. It is incredibly obtuse and boring.

My opinion of Redknapp was formed long before Ramos was sacked. I always thought that he was good at team building but a very poor coach and that his tactics were hit and miss. I'd said on here many times that I liked the players he often brought in and would like some of them.

But that his philosophy has always been buy the best players possible and let them get on with it. I think he can probably be quite good motivationally at times and as long as you are in his good books he possibly good at making players feel at home - an arm round shoulder type of manager with the players he likes. He clearly does attempt tactics, and he is more tactically astute than Jol was, but IMO his tactics are more miss than hit, and in the last 4 months of the season they were terrible and had a massive negative impact on our poor form.

Giving Redknapp all the credit for having such a good win ratio is generous IMO. He inherited virtually every single player that has gained him that record. We are not seeing a side built by Redknapp. Lets not forget his famous words post the Burnley defeat: "I can only work with the shit I'm left with".

To a reasonable degree he reaped the team building of Arnesen, Comolli, mainly with Jol & Ramos chipping in.

Did he provide the coaching that improved that team. I don't think so, the rest of his career, and people that have worked with him, would suggest not. More likely he came in and raised the spirits of a talented squad, low on confidence, added Palacios (a great signing) who gave us a quality we'd been lacking.

But I think he always gets found out, as his league position throughout his career shows. The west ham side with all those great players finishing 9th, and 15th. Portsmouth 8th.

The simplistic approach has it's limitations. But his bullshit doesn't. He's a self publicist of the highest order and what he's selling doesn't match up with ends up getting bought.

The throw away crap like "Modric wasn't even getting in the team when I got here". He's a liar, and if he was a great coach who made teams better than they should be you could just about forgive it, but he doesn't. As far as I'm concerned he's had a long career of wasting the teams at his disposal and his one trophy was the luckiest run of games I've seen in my lifetime of watching the FA Cup.

PS
It wouldn't surprise me if Claudio Raneiri had Chelsea's best win ratio before they sacked him and replaced him with a better manager.

 

[VegasII]

Nice work with smurfing Kenny by the way Stoof.

 

[mattstev2000]

I'm confused.

I'm disappointed in our performances last season and think with the squad we had we should have been top 4 at least. I lay some of the blame for the that at the managers door. But I haven't ever called a radio station.

Am I an idiot or not?

Seriously though, Harry needs to get past his inferiority complex and stop going off on one every time someone questions his success. Last year wasn't as good as it should have been. He should be able to accept that.

 

[StartingPrice]

i'm confused.

I'm disappointed in our performances last season and think with the squad we had we should have been top 4 at least. I lay some of the blame for the that at the managers door. But i haven't ever called a radio station.

Am i an idiot or not?

Seriously though, harry needs to get past his inferiority complex and stop going off on one every time someone questions his success. Last year wasn't as good as it should have been. He should be able to accept that.

this

 

[Mullers]

How many times is this going to come up? Every single manager blames all and sundry for a bad result. How many times a season do you see a manager come out after a game and say" My fault, I fucked up" ? Once maybe twice?

Maybe it wouldn't come up so many times, if Redknapp was not so arrogant in his media interviews.

And it's frankly bollocks to sit their having a dig for not beating United in the league cup final. Do remind me just when the last time was that we beat them?

No it's not bollocks and it wasn't a dig the point was made that Redknapp always delivers and I refuted it. Lesser teams than us have beaten Utd so why should it be accepted that just because we haven't beaten them for a long time, its ok?

It's just so fucking irritating. You can have a moan about not making top four, or the pompey game, fine, there are points to be made there that are valid but then you , and plenty of others on this site, just go and make their opinion utterly redundant by shoving in a half baked , ill thought out bunch of crap as well.

Edit,:

Not to mention the utter fucking myopia of whinging about the CC final whilst ignoring winning away at Arsenal. Does the bloke have to walk on water before you stop bitching?

Absolute nonsense, I have defended Redknapp several times on this site, saying that he should not be sacked. Some posters are just unwilling to accept any criticism of Redknapp what so ever.

 

[StartingPrice]

Hairy RatMuff is clearly just a dupe in the all-embracing hands of evil puppet-master, Jermaine Jenas.


In case of doubt, it is always a good fall back default on SC to blame Jermaine Jenas.

 

[Mr Pink]

I'm confused.

I'm disappointed in our performances last season and think with the squad we had we should have been top 4 at least. I lay some of the blame for the that at the managers door. But I haven't ever called a radio station.

Am I an idiot or not?

Seriously though, Harry needs to get past his inferiority complex and stop going off on one every time someone questions his success. Last year wasn't as good as it should have been. He should be able to accept that.

Agreed. People getting too defensive with the Harry situation, and would those same people get defensive if there was nothing to get defensive about?

ie if Harry wasn't acting so sensitively half the time...

I think Harry has done a great job, but what the hell is wrong with admitting a few things that were maybe not the best moves with hindsight...

It is an inferiority complex thing...a super confident type isn't afraid to acknowledge mistakes knowing full well that overall they've done a very good job.

 

[StartingPrice]

Agreed. People getting too defensive with the Harry situation, and would those same people get defensive if there was nothing to get defensive about?

ie if Harry wasn't acting so sensitively half the time...

I think Harry has done a great job, but what the hell is wrong with admitting a few things that were maybe not the best moves with hindsight...

It is an inferiority complex thing...a super confident type isn't afraid to acknowledge mistakes knowing full well that overall they've done a very good job.

Yes.
No.
Dunno.
Maybe.


...what was the question again?

 

[Mr Pink]

Yes.
No.
Dunno.
Maybe.


...what was the question again?

lol..

I'm saying if Harry wasn't throwing his toys out every time there was a smidget of criticism or even just the implication of doing things differently there wouldn't be half this debate about him IMO.

Just the way Harry is, a little insecure underneath all the lively chit chat.

 

[StartingPrice]

lol..

I'm saying if Harry wasn't throwing his toys out every time there was a smidget of criticism or even just the implication of doing things differently there wouldn't be half this debate about him IMO.

Just the way Harry is, a little insecure underneath all the lively chit chat.

Wottsat:shrug: A hybrid Smurf/Midget...

I agree, by the way.
But...he is what he is.
Plus points, and minus points.

Yeah, it would be better for us if he just said "yeah, the final third of the season was fecking ridiculous, it was like we couldn't score in a brothel (sic. apart from Peter Crouch). I tried everything, but, given the quality of players we have, and, with all due respect, the quality of most of the opposition...yeah, it was fecking disgraceful, and I should have found a way to change that":hump:

 

[rich75]

Maybe it wouldn't come up so many times, if Redknapp was not so arrogant in his media interviews.

I hadn't noticed he was, no more so than any other manager

No it's not bollocks and it wasn't a dig the point was made that Redknapp always delivers and I refuted it. Lesser teams than us have beaten Utd so why should it be accepted that just because we haven't beaten them for a long time, its ok?

Nobody say it was accepted that it was ok, just that as something to hold up as one of his failings it's a shit choice. It would be true of every manager we've had in the last fuck knows how long. Find something he specifically has failed at and not something Spurs managers as a whole fail at and then it might be worth pointing out


Absolute nonsense, I have defended Redknapp several times on this site, saying that he should not be sacked. Some posters are just unwilling to accept any criticism of Redknapp what so ever.

??? So what? Half your criticisms of him were cobblers whilst you simultaneously missed out anything positive he'd done. If you want to convince anyone or even highlight their perceived failings as Redknapp worshippers then a bit of balance wouldn't go amiss

 

[Mullers]

I hadn't noticed he was, no more so than any other manager

I have.

Nobody say it was accepted that it was ok, just that as something to hold up as one of his failings it's a shit choice. It would be true of every manager we've had in the last fuck knows how long. Find something he specifically has failed at and not something Spurs managers as a whole fail at and then it might be worth pointing out

He did not deliver, thus he failed. When he was manager of Portsmouth he beat Man U in the semis I regard that as a success but under your logic that might as well be scratched from history and not regarded as a success, seeing as losing to Man U in the league cup final is not regarded as failure.

So what? Half your criticisms of him were cobblers whilst you simultaneously missed out anything positive he'd done.

If you want to convince anyone or even highlight their perceived failings as Redknapp worshippers then a bit of balance wouldn't go amiss

So search my other posts to see where I have pointed out the positive things he's done. If you were that interested in balance as you claim you would be critical of posts that purely points out his successes too.