Team v Arsenal - North London Derby

[nicdic]

While I don't typically agree with the logic of "we played well in x game, so should therefore use that same lineup" as I think lineups should somewhat be tailored to who you're playing against, I agree with some of the logic you're suggesting here. I think people get too carried away with form and don't take enough account of the opposition.

In particular, I think people are getting carried away with Dembele's performances against a League One side and a really crappy West Brom performance. Even then, our only goal from open play which he assisted was far more due to individual brilliance from Kane rather than a particularly clever or incisive pass from Dembele. That Dembele was subbed off early in both matches rather says it all about true effect of the system, and I think with Chadli back up to fitness he has to come back into the side. No player of ours is better at capitalizing on afforded space than Chadli, and a very forward-thinking and aggressive Arsenal is just the kind of game he thrives in.

I also cannot emphasize enough from the Man U and Chelsea matches how important it is Eriksen remain central in matches like this. His ability to use the No 10 spot to disrupt the opposition's passing from deep central to force the ball to the opposition's flanks is so vital to maintaining the press. In fact, it was Eriksen's pressure which led to our last goal against Arsenal, and Chadli capitalizing upon being played into space. Dembele is not quick enough to do this against Arsenal's speedy and more diminutive midfielders, and his physicality further forward would not be as important since we're less likely to establish an effective press with him less likely to engage those speedy midfielders.

I'm just gonna jog your memory, but Dembele played most of the game against Chelsea. He came on for Mason quite early on.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Walker makes errors yes, but i personally don't think its a coincidence that our results and performances have improved since Kyle returned.He is one of those players,imo,that are only fully appreciated when they are not playing.
As for replacing him with Chirches? really?..so one day he is off to Roma and the next he is thrown into the NLD.....why not play Ade and kaboul too , oh and as skipper....no thanks.

This is the first week the players have had no midweek game in 2015...no need for stupid changes .

Tell me why you would prefer Walker to Chiriches ?

Personally, I understand the need for a quick full back who is prepared to get forward, so I understand the appeal of Walker over, say, Dier there, but I think Chiriches gets forward and is more likely to do something intelligent when he gets there and is a better defender than Walker. Although he (Chiriches) does have a penchant for overplaying in dangerous situations, Walker is continually giving the ball away in dangerous situations too, and also constantly doing other crazy shit.

Both are flawed options IMO, RB is very much a Hobson's choice right now.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Tell me why you would prefer Walker to Chiriches ?

Personally, I understand the need for a quick full back who is prepared to get forward, so I understand the appeal of Walker over, say, Dier there, but I think Chiriches gets forward and is more likely to do something intelligent when he gets there and is a better defender than Walker. Although he does have a penchant for overplaying in dangerous situations, Walker is continually giving the ball away in dangerous situations too, and also constantly doing other crazy shit.

Both are flawed options IMO, RB is very much a Hobson's choice for right now.

Chiriches makes his fuck ups at the wrong end of the pitch. Better defender than Walker is laughable. Hobson's choice going forward maybe.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Lloris
Walker Dier Vertonghen Rose
Bentaleb Stambouli
Townsend Dembele Eriksen
Kane​

 

[Cavehillspur]

Wenger backtracking. He is such a dick

Wenger on Sanchez: "He feels he can defy the medical people because he is so keen to play. I don't know if he can. I will see today." #AFC

I should have known better, such a prick, expecting him to feature now.

 

[Donki]

Really looking forward to this, hope to see Bentaleb and Chadli start with Eriksen in the middle, will actually see what we can do when a team isn't sitting back. We win this and it really could change our whole outlook on the season. Early kick off means a few beers too early on a Sataurday :dead:.

 

[Riandor]

Tell me why you would prefer Walker to Chiriches ?

Personally, I understand the need for a quick full back who is prepared to get forward, so I understand the appeal of Walker over, say, Dier there, but I think Chiriches gets forward and is more likely to do something intelligent when he gets there and is a better defender than Walker. Although he does have a penchant for overplaying in dangerous situations, Walker is continually giving the ball away in dangerous situations too, and also constantly doing other crazy shit.

Both are flawed options IMO, RB is very much a Hobson's choice right now.

I have more faith that if Walker messes things up that he can recover. When Chiriches makes a bad pass he is usually done for pace.

Against Arsenal we need speed in the team to handle their fast players like Ox, Walcott, etc...

So yeah, Walker for me.

 

[walton]

Tell me why you would prefer Walker to Chiriches ?

Personally, I understand the need for a quick full back who is prepared to get forward, so I understand the appeal of Walker over, say, Dier there, but I think Chiriches gets forward and is more likely to do something intelligent when he gets there and is a better defender than Walker. Although he does have a penchant for overplaying in dangerous situations, Walker is continually giving the ball away in dangerous situations too, and also constantly doing other crazy shit.

Both are flawed options IMO, RB is very much a Hobson's choice right now.

I hope to fuck that Woy's not getting involved in team selection discussions...

 

[JayX]

I I think Chadli can cause Arsenal all sorts of trouble and hope he starts.

 

[mpickard2087]

I I think Chadli can cause Arsenal all sorts of trouble and hope he starts.

I'd start him, but for me he's still very infuriating. He's done well this season in terms of goals, but no performance gets anywhere close to his one vs. Chelsea... From minute one he was in the thick of the action, for once throwing his weight around, winning the ball back etc and looked a different player using his pace and power and playing with total confidence. I thought maybe it had all clicked for him... and then the next couple of games prior to his absence he reverted back to flitting in and out of the game.

I just wish someone could work out what 'caused' that performance vs. Chelsea and get that out of him ever week!

 

[Blake Griffin]

chadli playing means eriksen has to revert to a position in which he's totally ineffective. unless chadders fancies a go on the right.

 

[JayX]

I'd start him, but for me he's still very infuriating. He's done well this season in terms of goals, but no performance gets anywhere close to his one vs. Chelsea... From minute one he was in the thick of the action, for once throwing his weight around, winning the ball back etc and looked a different player using his pace and power and playing with total confidence. I thought maybe it had all clicked for him... and then the next couple of games prior to his absence he reverted back to flitting in and out of the game.

I just wish someone could work out what 'caused' that performance vs. Chelsea and get that out of him ever week!

Lets hope it being part of a London Derby is part of it, as on his day he can be as good as anyone I have seen in the league. And it is frustrating as in some games he looks like our worst player.

His physical strength is certainly something we need tomorrow as it will be a tough physical affair, which would suit him more than others.

 

[EastLondonYid]

Tell me why you would prefer Walker to Chiriches ?

Personally, I understand the need for a quick full back who is prepared to get forward, so I understand the appeal of Walker over, say, Dier there, but I think Chiriches gets forward and is more likely to do something intelligent when he gets there and is a better defender than Walker. Although he does have a penchant for overplaying in dangerous situations, Walker is continually giving the ball away in dangerous situations too, and also constantly doing other crazy shit.

Both are flawed options IMO, RB is very much a Hobson's choice right now.

Thats your opinion.....i happen to rate Walker, infact i love Walker and don't really care if you don't....more importantly Poch is trying to sell ChirIches NOT Walker, so we all know who he rates more..Poch works closely with both , not you, so i would trust his judgement over yours all day..

 

[garryparkerschest]

The team for tomorrow should be

Lloris​

Walker Fazio Vertonghen, Rose​

Bentelab Mason​

Chadli Dembele Eriksen​

Kane.​

I'd chose Chadli over Lamela for two reasons, his physical advantage over Bellerin and Monreal and that fact he's more of a goal scoring threat.

 

[dondo]

chadli playing means eriksen has to revert to a position in which he's totally ineffective. unless chadders fancies a go on the right.

Was thinking the same about chadli , has he ever played on the right for us? Want eriksen dembele and chadli to start vs arsenal but who to play on the right ?

 

[SpursTHFC]

Lloris

Walker -- Dier -- Vertonghen -- Rose

Stambouli.-- Mason

Townsend -- Dembele -- Eriksen

Kane​

Le arse aren't known for their crossing so a ball playing centre back in Dier would suit better than a ball in the air winning centre back like Fazio.

Dembele over Chadli because he will get stuck in, bully their central midfield.

Townsend over Lamela because he knows just what sort of game this is.

 

[SpursDave88]

We need to play:

Lloris

Walker--Fazio--Vertonghen--Rose

Mason - Bentaleb

Townsend--Eriksen--Chadli

Kane
​

Arsenal's main weakness is at Full-Back, whilst full backs are central to the way they play, Chadli and Townsend need to dominate Monreal and Bellerin, that will be the key to us winning the game.

 

[robbiedee]

I should have known better, such a prick, expecting him to feature now.

This could work in our favour though...

Hammies are tricky buggers. You think they're ok, get a bit of speed up and TWANG, they go again.

Sanchez hobbling off after 10 minutes would be funny as owt.

 

[EastLondonYid]

I can't see Dembele not starting , Mason will play alongside Bentaleb if he is deemed fresh enough after the ACN, otherwise it will be Stambouli alongside Ryan with Moussa further forward.
I can also see Chadli in for Lamela....Rose over Davies .
The only doubt i have is the more experienced Fazio or the mobile Dier.

 

[SpartanSpur]

Really looking forward to this, hope to see Bentaleb and Chadli start with Eriksen in the middle, will actually see what we can do when a team isn't sitting back. We win this and it really could change our whole outlook on the season. Early kick off means a few beers too early on a Sataurday :dead:.

You've clearly erased the last home NLD from your memory it seems, they were incredibly deep in last year's 1-0 IIRC, and similarly in the 1-0 reverse league fixture too...

Will be interesting to see how they approach it tomorrow. I really think we could break them down this time if they try it again.