Team V Bolton

[Hoddle_Ledge]

draft in Dani Alves on loan as a replacement.

:duh:

I'd rather Dean Austin than that cheating scumbag.

 

[ShelfSide18]

Corluka is the man, yes. Jenas just isn't though

*calls in back up from DC and Bus Conductor*

 

[nicdic]

I'd be embarrassed to be seeking back up from those two :wink:

 

[Coyboy]

Clueless. Sorry.

The whole notion of putting Jenas in at right back. Everything about it. He's been very poor in his favoured position all season, yet you're saying why not chuck him in, cold off the back of injury having been out for months, in a new position, in our most important three games in years. It's ridiculous.

Why apologise.

That's rubbish Nic, Jenas has played well at right back as SS has said and he has the versatile and althetic ability to do ok there. I would think Kaboul and even Walker would be picked ahead of him because it seems Jenas is off. You can tell by his body language and a few rumours floating around here and there. It's a shame but understandable and I am fine with Hudd, Palacios, Sandro if he fulfills potential and one or two other back ups. Jenas is too good to be back up.

He has not been very poor this year at all. He has done well at the beginning of the year when Hudd was at centre back- at Bolton he was our best player for me- and has come in often and done a job off the bench-eg against Blackburn.

I never understand posters who just have it in for certain players and see it as a licence to write fiction.

 

[nicdic]

Why apologise.

That's rubbish Nic, Jenas has played well at right back as SS has said and he has the versatile and althetic ability to do ok there. I would think Kaboul and even Walker would be picked ahead of him because it seems Jenas is off. You can tell by his body language and a few rumours floating around here and there. It's a shame but understandable and I am fine with Hudd, Palacios, Sandro if he fulfills potential and one or two other back ups. Jenas is too good to be back up.

He has not been very poor this year at all. He has done well at the beginning of the year when Hudd was at centre back- at Bolton he was our best player for me- and has come in often and done a job off the bench-eg against Blackburn.

I never understand posters who just have it in for certain players and see it as a licence to write fiction.

He came on and got an assist against Blackburn and that was it, all season. He's poor. He's never lived up to his potential and always flattered to deceive. He has the attributes to be a very good central midfielder but can't do it. Why then should he be able to play right back?!

 

[double0]

I've also thought Jeans could cover three position CM RW RB, if Corluka or Lennon ain't fit Jenas is the man to cover.

...............Gomes
Corluka Dawson King Bale
Lennon Huddlestone Palacios Modric
..............Crouch Defoe

 

[nicdic]

Corluka isn't fit. If you'd bothered to read the team news or follow the debate in this thread you'd know that. :roll:

And Jenas? Ridiculous.

 

[Coyboy]

He came on and got an assist against Blackburn and that was it, all season. He's poor. He's never lived up to his potential and always flattered to deceive. He has the attributes to be a very good central midfielder but can't do it. Why then should he be able to play right back?!

No, that isn't all. This season he has only made a handful of starts, has had a couple of poor games ie at Wolves where everyone was poor but has also played well in games, getting an assist at Blackburn, Pompey and scoring against Burnley. To say he has been very poor is wrong, to say he is poor is preposterous.

'Never living up to potential' and 'flattering to deceive' are cliches, they may be true they may, more likely, contradict the 'poor' comment but they are beside the point. Who allocates his potential? Fans, pundits, other people. Jenas may well not have turned out as good as he could have been, how do you measure potential- but to say he has been very poor in his favoured position this season implying that he has finally been given a chance and blown it is crap.

He had been a good player for us for four seasons; injuries, inconsistent appearances and an improving Hudd hardly makes him poor. In many ways he is better than Hudd, but Hudd has done very well too and is improving.

Simply, Jenas can do well at right back as he has done before and has the right attributes or do you not think he is not quick, a good passer, have defensive nous and is athletic.

Oh and that bolded part is therefore also complete rubbish.

 

[nicdic]

If he was a good enough midfielder he'd be playing there. The fact is he's at least 4th choice in the middle behind Huddlestone, Modric and Palacios, and Kaboul and Gudjohnsen could even get in ahead of him.

The attributes you listed that mean he could do well at right back are the same ones that should mean he does well at midfield, yet he doesn't.

 

[leffe186]

Christ, I wish tomorrow would hurry up.

 

[Adam456]

I can't believe people are having this conversation to be honest. Kaboul played RB in, arguably, our two best performances of the season

Not sure how Harry explained to him that he was replacing him with Benny and then playing Bale out of position etc. etc. :evil:

 

[Coyboy]

If he was a good enough midfielder he'd be playing there. The fact is he's at least 4th choice in the middle behind Huddlestone, Modric and Palacios, and Kaboul and Gudjohnsen could even get in ahead of him.

The attributes you listed that mean he could do well at right back are the same ones that should mean he does well at midfield, yet he doesn't.

Well he has been injured for a lot of that and as I said it looks as if he is off. Do you think if he were fit, we would have played Kaboul instead at Stoke? Redknapp rates him clearly and he was part of a midfield that did very well last year with Palacios, not to mention two fifth place finishes and a league cup.

He does and has done well in central midfield, he has more consistent premiership experience in that position than any of those you mention. I like all of those players, other than Kaboul, as a midfielder but to try to masquerade as fact that Jenas isn't very good as a centre mid and do so in the face of clear facts just makes you look stubborn and unable to get past some odd blind prejudice you have against him.

 

[DC_Boy]

Hi shelfside


just caught this debate - I stopped debating with nicdic a while ago so won't be getting involved anymore than this post

I'll just say I'd rather JJ didn't start RB because I don't want to see him scapegoated

however if harry does choose JJ i'll support him wholeheartedly, as I will kaboul walker or whoever, even BAE tho I pray Harry doesn't make that mistake again

it's a real dilemma

as I've said about the team in general tomorrow, I can't work out who I want to see play so I'm not posting any teams I'd like

just wish harry all the best in his choice and that we can get those three crucial points tomorrow

 

[StartingPrice]

I can't believe people are having this conversation to be honest. Kaboul played RB in, arguably, our two best performances of the season

Not sure how Harry explained to him that he was replacing him with Benny and then playing Bale out of position etc. etc. :evil:

Nice try, Adam, but you STILL aren't getting away with it.
If BAle says he's a full-back, and his future is at full-back; if 'Arry says he's a full-back and he sees his future primarily at full-back; and if the club lists his position as full-back...how on God's earth is he playing out of position by playing at full-back.
Do you understand this?

YES or no:shrug:

 

[Adam456]

Nice try, Adam, but you STILL aren't getting away with it.
If BAle says he's a full-back, and his future is at full-back; if 'Arry says he's a full-back and he sees his future primarily at full-back; and if the club lists his position as full-back...how on God's earth is he playing out of position by playing at full-back.
Do you understand this?

YES or no:shrug:

wondered if anybody would notice if I slipped that in at the end of the sentence

Answer is no. I don't understand why he or anybody else would describe him as a LB

Bale = winger

 

[StartingPrice]

wondered if anybody would notice if I slipped that in at the end of the sentence

Answer is no. I don't understand why he or anybody else would describe him as a LB

Bale = winger

You don't understand why a player who plays frequently at left-back, has said he is a left-back, who has said he sees his future as leeft-back, whose manager sees him primarily as a left-back, and sees his future primarily at left-back, and who is listed on the club's website (and publications) as a left-back should be described as a left-back:shrug::duh:

Adam, I have explained this to you several times...you are perfectly entitled to believe he would be better on the wing, and should play on the wing, but until the club defines him as a winger, the player says he is a winger and sees his future as one, and the manager says the same, and the club play him as a winger for a very lengthy period EVEN when all other players are fit (for instance in central midfield...'cos he has only been playing on the wing as Modric is playing in the middle, as there was only one fit central midfielder), then he WILL BE a winger (who can also play full-back). Until then he IS a full-back who can also play on the wing.

 

[$hoguN]

wondered if anybody would notice if I slipped that in at the end of the sentence

Answer is no. I don't understand why he or anybody else would describe him as a LB

Bale = winger

I've got a couple of words to describe you, does that help?

 

[Adam456]

I've got a couple of words to describe you, does that help?

They wouldn't be 'quite' and 'right' would they ?

No probably not

I have 5 for you mate:

'Specsavers' 'gone' 'to' have' 'should'

:razz:

 

[StartingPrice]

They wouldn't be 'quite' and 'right' would they ?

No probably not

I have 5 for you mate:

'Specsavers' 'gone' 'to' have' 'should'

:razz:

It is not about your opinion about what he should be, it is about what he actually is...and right at this moment he is a full-back who has had a couple of blinding games on the wing, where he was playing due to an injury crisis (whichis where you happen to believe he should be playing). The fact that he had these blinding games does not prove that your opinon IS correct, and still less does it prove that he is not what he actually is (that wouoldn't make any sense). If Bale and the club issue a statement that they have all, after serious deliberation, concluded that they should no longer consider him as a full-back, and cease conducting training and development with the avowed purpose of making him a better left-back, alter the club site/publications to make him a winger, and play him as a winger EVEN WHEN ALL MIDFIELDERS ARE FIT, he will be from that time on a winger. But if that happens it doesn't mean you can go retrospectively to this time and make your plain simple wrongness into a rightness. He IS full-back, who can also play as winger. Really, if you can't understand that I suggest you go back to school and start from scratch as your cognitive abilities do not function...AND NONE OF THIS TOUCHES UPON YOUR RIGHT TO BELIEVE THAT BALE WOULD MAKE A BETTER WINGER THAN FULL-BACK, OR TO WISH TO SEE HIM CONVERTED INTO A PERMANENT WINGER.

We can see that he has played very well as a winger, but if you did not see that he had many fantastic (truly fantastic) games as a full-back then you should go to SpecSavers.

 

[MsLouMaria]

I don't know about starting King. It's not necessary. We can make that call later in the game if we need him but we should manage fine. Lennon sounds like he's been training well all week. We don't have to start him but Bentleys been pretty lame recently. Can't decide between Palacios and Hudd. Pavs gone a little off the boil lately. Defoe isn't exactly on fire either but I think I'd rather see him start with Gudjohnsen.


Gomes

Kaboul - Dawson - Bassong - BAE

Lennon - Palacios/Hudd - Modric - Bale

Gudjohnsen - Defoe


That explanation may have sounded really negative but I don't mean it to be. That's a good line up!

Hi by the way. I'm new here!