team vs liverpool

[fruitbat7]

Everton were THE club in Liverpool until Shankley saved your sorry asses. All you have had is one period of dominance, adn it is slowly petering into obscurity. Do you home work and stop believing you invented the game and have done everything worthwhile in it. Teams like Wolves and Forest had periods of greatness - how many of the International fan base is aware of that now. In ten years time, only a few bitter muppet, backward-dwelling red muppets with remember your dominance - you will just be a parochial club in a rapidly ageing stadium with a strictly limited capacity - with no international fan-base and limited match-day revenues where do you think you will be :shrug: I could bear being a Toffee, my life would be worthless if I was a red.

This is just as deluded as most of the posts you are slating! Sure at the moment we are a far better team, But to right off a club as big as they are (Yes they are still a much bigger club than we are) is stupid.

 

[kcmei]

team is less important, most important is the players are all prepared to give 1--% for this game!!COYS

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Is there a stupider cliche in football than "all we have to do is turn up".

Sometimes you have to compete because the opposition won't let you just turn up and humiliate them. Like Liverpool didn't let ManC or ManU turn up with their better sides and humiliate them.

Sometimes it's necessary to compete and fight for inches in insignificant little places on a pitch, before you start thinking about how easy it's going to be to walk all over shit****s like Henderson and Adams.

Some of us can still remember as far back as this time last year when our better team couldn't beat most of the bottom half of the table.

Erm, no I don't think there is. But I'm not sure if anyone has said that. I think the difference of opinion stems from the fact we are going up there to play 90 mins of football, not build a ring and have a fight.

I think people got a bit carried away with Gladiator being on last night.

 

[thinktank]

I love the way they hardly consider football, and jsut leap into abuse.

This fella seemed alright:
"What's with all the Spurs hate in here? Just because they have been better than us in the past 2 years?

Hate before the match is never good, it'll jinx it."

But he got a slagging.

And then there was this one:
"Who cares what some blerts think on another clubs forum? Not worth entertaining. They do have a better team than us at present, let them enjoy it while it lasts. This is the last season they will finish above us for a while. Opposition fans don't realise how our club was almost stripped bare and why should they? Let them enjoy their relative success, Spurs are not a long term concern."

Classic :rofl:

But best of all:
"The interesting question for any Spurs fan would be - would you bet you'd win more trophies in the next 10 years than Liverpool ?

Not many would. They have 2 special players right now in Bale and Modric who would grace in any side in the world but they are heavily reliant on a loan player up front who defines their team shape and who, once he gets a 4 year contract will go back to being a wanker again as he always has.

There's something about our Club that is special and when our crowd gets to smell trophies we bring them home. Spurs haven't got that in their DNA. I'd bet any Spurs fan we will be more successful in the next 10 years. If we beat them on Monday we'll be talking about catching them this year !!"

:rofl: They really do believe they have a God-given right to success and incidentals, like quality of squad, are irrelevant.

But, it's all good, while they can't see the massive strides our club has taken, and all the work the Chairman has done, on our youth system, etc, and while they ignore our proposed stadium development, they will keep on underestimating us.

Any Scouse muppets reading:
Everton were THE club in Liverpool until Shankley saved your sorry asses. All you have had is one period of dominance, adn it is slowly petering into obscurity. Do you home work and stop believing you invented the game and have done everything worthwhile in it. Teams like Wolves and Forest had periods of greatness - how many of the International fan base is aware of that now. In ten years time, only a few bitter muppet, backward-dwelling red muppets with remember your dominance - you will just be a parochial club in a rapidly ageing stadium with a strictly limited capacity - with no international fan-base and limited match-day revenues where do you think you will be :shrug: I could bear being a Toffee, my life would be worthless if I was a red.

Ouchness. And so true.

I hope we fucking smash those xxxxs

 

[Super Tottenham]

Really hope we beat them so I can have a read of RAWK afterwards.

 

[StartingPrice]

This is just as deluded as most of the posts you are slating! Sure at the moment we are a far better team, But to right off a club as big as they are (Yes they are still a much bigger club than we are) is stupid.

Er...

1) It's called hyperbole - look it up :wink:

2) Context: context is that if they can ignore all of the evidence regarding our club in making statements like they are ("Spurs are not a long term concern" :rofl, for the sake of caustic rejoinder, I am allowed to resort to less than wholly literal, more emotive rants.

3) As per 1, it is hyperbole, but if you examine it more closely you will see that it is not totally delusional (or stupid):
A) Everton were the bigger, more successful club until Shankley saved their sorry asses - that's not even hyperbole, that's historical fact (maybe you should research that more);
B) They have only had one period of dominance - admittedly that was an extended and unprecedented period of dominance, which was why I was stretching a point (hyperbole) in saying this in the way that I did;
C) They didn't invent the game and they haven't been the only club to do anything good - that's just a fact;
D) Wolves and Forest did have periods of greatness - not as extended or quite as trophy-laden as Liverpool, admittedly, but it is still a valid point - there is nothing in the stars that says Liverpool must just somehow stay at the very top of the game just as part of some unspecified Natural Order. Just more facts.
E) The International fan-base, which is very fickle, and pays more attention to current status than historical achievement are barely aware of teams that were once great, who are now relatively obscure. Clubs depend on this fan-base more-and-more for revenues - these are fans who have no knowledge that not long before Abrahmovich bought Chelsea they were playing in a shack made of corrugated iron and were no more successful than QPR - FACT;
F) This is projection. As per 2), above, if they can make ridiculous, factless statements about our prospects over the next 10 years, why shouldn't I draw up a worst-case scenario for them. Actually, it is not so delusional, anyway. As explained in E), above, clubs are dependent, more-and-more, from the revenues generated from International marketing, and the further into the past a clubs success is, and the more recent a clubs status as mediocre also rans, the smaller will be their International fan-base - FACT. Liverpool play in an ageing stadium, with a limited capacity - even teams like Sunderland play in considerably larget stadia - but Sunderland do not have the revenues of other clubs with similarly sized stadia because they do not have the International fan-base. They don't have the Internationa fan-base because they have not had any recent period of sustained success and do not have a sugar-daddy owner to pump money in - get-it :shrug: Liverpool have been aware of the limitations of their stadium for many years and yet are no further along the road of developing a new one (this has quite a history - they did design one, but couldn't fund it - do your homework). So, this is all FACT.
G) I would find it acceptable supporting Everton (for personal reasons) but would hate to be a Liverpool fan (for personal reasons) - FACT.

Like I said, it is hyperbole - but not a complete fabrication.
They ignore (or are ignorant) of the fact we are well on the way to beginning work on a new, much bigger stadium that will allow us to compete in a way they cannot if they don't do something about a new stadium soon. And yet they have shown no signs of developing one. Of course, I could log into The News now and see this being announced. And, yeah, they do have a certain status, so someone may rescue them - but, as things stand, they are streets behind us in this, and failure to do something about it would see their current downward spiral continuing.
They ignore (or are ignorant) of developments in our youth system. Daniel Levy has spent a huge amount of time, effort, and money on this. We have already built a state-of-the-art facility, and recruitment has been going on for some time. For the first fruits of this, I suggest you read the discussion in the Next-Gen thread (I'm not going to repeat them here). So, they will not be able to compete financially at the top for the best players, and they do not have the infrastructure in place to compete with us (never mind Citeh or United) in youth recruitment and development just how the hell are they going to reassert themselves at the top. UEFA Fair Play regulations will make it harder for them to do it via a sugar-daddy (and what spending they have done recently has only occurred via the intervention of their new owners - these incomings and wages will have to be justified).

So, in a very real sense, they could become a club with a history of one period of extended greatness, but with a shrinking International fan-base and, hence, revenues, an inadequate stadium in one of several large cities, many of which have bigger stadia, and little to attract the most exciting youth, or to afford the best developed talent. I may be stretching the truth a little, and drawing up a worst-case scenario, but I see nothing ATM making it hugely unrealistic that something like this could happen. It is far mroe realistic than viewing us as being not a long term concern, and, thus, ignoring all of the developments in our club that make this statement incredibly funny.

Now, aside from a little hyperbole, could you show me where I have been stupid :shrug:

 

[walton]

Jeez, i thought this was a thread about the team v liverpool. Wind your collective neck in you bunch of bores.

GK, defence and midfield may or may not pick itself, but if the revelations on the beeb are to be believed the attack most definitely will, with Saha the only fit option.

Friedel
Walker
King
Kaboul
BAE
Sandro
Modric
Parker
Bale
Krancjar
Saha

 

[Wellspurs]

saha up front? After watching a rerun of Tuesdays game I was thinking that could be an improvement?

 

[ShelfSide18]

This if they're fit. My only worry is Enrique vs VDV in this formation as Enrique is excellent going forward (but not a great defender) but would chance that to grab control in CM and protect the back 4. Alternatively we could shift Mod right to pick him up with Bale more conventionally left and VDV off Ade.

With the players above we should be good enough to win, certainly need a draw at least...

This is precisely my worry with the 4-3-3 with VDV coming from the right, despite me being one of those who has put the case for it forward more than most, and enjoyed it coming off away at Norwich. Enrique is good going forward, and should Dalglish play Suarez from the left (he has a naturally leftward drift anyway) then Walker could get overloaded. It worked so well at Norwich because we dominated the ball so much that Walker could play so high up the pitch closer to VDV.

Even so I think a midfield trio of Modric/Sandro/Parker will see us dominate the ball and win us the initiative, but I think we should go there looking to be flexible with the 4-3-3 and 4-4-1-1 up our sleeves because Dalgish has played with numerous different set ups this season so far. Also without Lucas they have no natural holder in the middle, which could actually leave a lot more space between the lines for VDV than he has been used to this season, and where he is obviously best.

I'd start with this 11...

Friedel
Walker
King
Kaboul
Benny
Parker
Sandro
Modric
VDV
Bale
Adebayor

But what set up we go with should reflect what Liverpool play, and will more than likely change throughout the 90 mins. We really should be looking at 3 points here, we are better than them on the ball so match them off it then we should be getting a positive result here.

 

[stevenqoz]

Liverpool are still have a massive supporter base worldwide probably not as big as Uniteds but from the EPL, only second to them. Some people in the UK fail to understand the coverage the competition gets worldwide and in many countries much superior live tv stuff to that at home. If you believe that their support world wide is just transient, I can't agree with you. There is just too much at stake in merchandise alone for he games marketers to allow the Liverpools of the world to have fading support. That of Chelsea and Citeh is based on less solid ground than the scousers. For us we are a long way behind and need some silverware for a bit of reinforcement.....things are improving they are selling Tottenham shirts alongside Arsenal, United, Chelsea, Liverpool and Citeh here in oz

 

[Kendall]

When Liverpool are in the telly, there are always 20+ scousers in the pub at 5am here. Spurs you get about 7 or 8, United aout the same, sometimes less, Chelsea and Arsenal hardly turn up.

 

[teok]

saha up front? After watching a rerun of Tuesdays game I was thinking that could be an improvement?

He hasn't scored in the premier league for 942 minutes.

 

[There's always next year]

He hasn't scored in the premier league for 942 minutes.

Still better than Fernando Torres, who cost a fraction more to buy!

 

[dawson 5]

Reckon Kranjcar will play again on the right myself.

Friedel​

Walker Kaboul King BAE
Kranjcar Parker Modric Bale
VdV
Adebayor​

I would go for that team

 

[sloth]

This game's such a difficult one to call, there are so many injury/selection variables for each team and both of us have a number of different ways we can and do play.

Broadly speaking though we can consider this one of those unstoppable force/immovable object scenarios. We pose more questions offensively than defensively, Liverpool more questions defensively than offensively.

For this reason, despite being at home, I think Dalglish will set his team up to stop us first, and if they are successful in that endeavour will bank on home advantage and the ability of the likes of Carroll/Suarez, Bellamy, Kuyt and Gerard to win it for them at the other end.

The alternative is Dalglish will do the unexpected and really go for it, no matter, if he does that I just think it will play into our hands that much more, because for me the solution to this game is that we must set out to attack, just as we did at City.

The fly in our ointment is that Lennon, VdV, Defoe and Adebayor all sound like they're doubtful to varying degrees.

I think Liverpool are going to set out either 4-1-4-1, or 4-5-1 and probably the latter, their front six looking something like this:

Kuyt Spearing Gerard Adam Bellamy
Carroll/Suarez​

That gives them width and an extra man in midfield to counter our threat. Plus Kuyt and Bellamy will get themselves into the box when their attacks come down the opposite flank and provide an additional goal threat (when they played Toon recently Bellamy scored two from that wide-left berth).

An extra man in midfield, and men wide to stop Bale, plus a mean defence playing in front of the Kop all spells trouble to me.

We are limited by injuries (what price that Watford victory eh? Sorry, I know it's in the past now...), our only wide man is Bale, but I think for this game he should play in the free role as part of a front three.

Worryingly VdV sounds like he won't make it either and we'll miss guile, his late runs into the box and his ability to spot a pass in tight areas. For me then, Kranjcar should come in and play in a like for like position.

Liverpool will will want to play a pressing game, but I think their natural inclination will be to play a more passive defensive game. That extra man in midfield insurance will lead them instinctively to feel they can mark space and stop us like that, especially if we can get hold of the ball and start posing questions from unexpected angles spaces.

For this reason I want to see a run-out of our 4-3-3/4-1-2-2-1 system. Given who's available for us, our strength will be clever little short, angled passes, quick feet and quick movement. For me then we should start:

Friedel
Walker Kaboul King BAE
Sandro/Livermore
Modric Parker
Kranjcar Bale
Adebayor/Saha​

 

[faze_coys]

Are you forgetting how Parker dominated midfield?

no but his performance level has been on a slow decline ever since, are you forgetting how sandro dominated and destroyed their midfield at anfield last season?

 

[Kendall]

No, that's why I picked him....

 

[StartingPrice]

Liverpool are still have a massive supporter base worldwide probably not as big as Uniteds but from the EPL, only second to them. Some people in the UK fail to understand the coverage the competition gets worldwide and in many countries much superior live tv stuff to that at home. If you believe that their support world wide is just transient, I can't agree with you. There is just too much at stake in merchandise alone for he games marketers to allow the Liverpools of the world to have fading support. That of Chelsea and Citeh is based on less solid ground than the scousers. For us we are a long way behind and need some silverware for a bit of reinforcement.....things are improving they are selling Tottenham shirts alongside Arsenal, United, Chelsea, Liverpool and Citeh here in oz

No-one is failing to understand it.
I think you are overestimating what their international support would be like in 20 years time if it followed 20 years of mediocrity.

 

[penfold_99]

What are the odds that the game gets postponed due to bad weather? If it did it would benefit use more due to some of our players having knocks.

 

[hodsgod]

Weather forecast is much warmer for Liverpool, For the next few days, up to 7 degrees.