Thanks for nothing !!

[sim simma]

Wayne Rooney can take his 47 goals and stick em up his fucking arse. A couple of quatre finals is all he's got to show for his endeavours, pathetic !! He will never be an England great in my eyes not by a fucking country mile !!! I'll be sad to see Charlton's record go to this horrid little **** !!

 

[Dinghy]

That's all well and good but...

Have you just found out he's been seeing your granny or something?

This thread is a little out of the blue somewhat?

 

[Mouse!]

That's all well and good but...

Have you just found out he's been seeing your granny or something?

This thread is a little out of the blue somewhat?

Rooney got the keys to his bimma.

 

[BuryMeInEngland]

Friends should never let friends post drunk.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

Rooney got the keys to his bimma.

This thread had run it's course by post 3, @S.Mouse! won this round

 

[Ionman34]

This thread had run it's course by post 3, @S.Mouse! won this round

And then some.

Nearly wet myself laughing

 

[Gbspurs]

I like Rooney. Is it his fault that England are shit? He has done his part which is scoring goals.

Granted he has never quite delivered on his original promise but he has been a good player (still is) and there is still time for him to deliver at the Euros.

 

[JerryGarcia]

I like Rooney. Is it his fault that England are shit? He has done his part which is scoring goals.

Granted he has never quite delivered on his original promise but he has been a good player (still is) and there is still time for him to deliver at the Euros.

Agreed, he's pretty much had to carry the weight of expectation on his own sice he was 16/17 and he's not done a bad job at all with all things considered. Some England fans seemed to think he'd be able to lead us to glory on his own but the rest of the national team has been poor for most of his time in it.

Ok so he's not made an impact at tournaments but personally I put that down to the whole team, not just Rooney. It's only in the last season or two that English attacking players have come through that seem to be on his level so maybe he'll do well at the Euros?

I will say this though, I think if Defoe had played the same number of minutes then he might have scored as many, if not more goals than Rooney.

 

[Geyzer Soze]

The look of genuine delight on his face when Harry came on and scored the other night goes a long way for me, he went up in my estimation quite a bit for that.

 

[Blockbuster]

Surely the managers are to blame not Rooney (admittedly he hasn't performed at a big tournament since 2004)

Each managers persistence on playing Lampard & Gerrard has hindered our success I feel, We never really knew how to setup and just seemingly picked players as they were good, which in theory should work, but sometimes you need a system and players to fit into that system.

I feel this has been a problem ever since Hoddle left.

 

[talkshowhost86]

He's done a hell of a lot more than the other players from the 'golden generation'.

Compare his impact to the likes of Gerrard, Lampard, Cole, Ferdinand, Terry etc and he comes out pretty well.

 

[Donki]

Hell of a player IMO, why managers sometimes choose to play him deeper or wider is beyong me, hes a stiker, play his as one.

 

[Gassin's finest]

The look of genuine delight on his face when Harry came on and scored the other night goes a long way for me, he went up in my estimation quite a bit for that.

He probably thought "Oh thank fuck... finally someone who knows what he's doing!"

 

[hughy]

He probably thought "Oh thank fuck... finally someone who knows what he's doing!"

The relief of potentially never having to start another game with Danny Welbeck.

 

[sim simma]

He's done a hell of a lot more than the other players from the 'golden generation'.

Compare his impact to the likes of Gerrard, Lampard, Cole, Ferdinand, Terry etc and he comes out pretty well.

I wont dispute that he has contributed more favourably than the people you have mentioned. But in my opinion other than Gerrard the rest of the players on that list are really hard to like, and thats my problem with Rooney. I think in all honesty I'm a bit nostalgic and i think its rare for an England player to command the respect that players like Charlton and Lineker had. I think it's just my problem with the modern game where i see players as flash little bastards. Except Harry Kane of course, he's a true gent.

 

[talkshowhost86]

I wont dispute that he has contributed more favourably than the people you have mentioned. But in my opinion other than Gerrard the rest of the players on that list are really hard to like, and thats my problem with Rooney. I think in all honesty I'm a bit nostalgic and i think its rare for an England player to command the respect that players like Charlton and Lineker had. I think it's just my problem with the modern game where i see players as flash little bastards. Except Harry Kane of course, he's a true gent.

Basically the England team itself is hard to respect these days.

International football even is hard to care about.

But I think that of all those involved in the nonsense of it in the last decade, Rooney has been one of the better standard bearers.

 

[alfie103]

I wont dispute that he has contributed more favourably than the people you have mentioned. But in my opinion other than Gerrard the rest of the players on that list are really hard to like, and thats my problem with Rooney. I think in all honesty I'm a bit nostalgic and i think its rare for an England player to command the respect that players like Charlton and Lineker had. I think it's just my problem with the modern game where i see players as flash little bastards. Except Harry Kane of course, he's a true gent.

Why is Gerrard so likeable? He seems like a p***k to me.

 

[dontcallme]

He's done a hell of a lot more than the other players from the 'golden generation'.

Compare his impact to the likes of Gerrard, Lampard, Cole, Ferdinand, Terry etc and he comes out pretty well.

I don't like Cole, Ferdinand or Terry but they have all performed better than Rooney for England.

Cole was a consistently excellent left back for around a decade and Cole and Rio formed an excellent defensive partnership despite Gerrard and Lampard offering no protection in front of them.

Rooney has done OK for England. He's failed in the tournaments though and he has to take responsibility for that. He's had numerous striking partners and not formed a successful partnership with any of them.

Greaves and Linekar were much more lethal and Linekar performed excellently in 2 world cups.

Bit strange that Rooney will become our top ever goalscorer without being a genuine great.

 

[talkshowhost86]

I don't like Cole, Ferdinand or Terry but they have all performed better than Rooney for England.

Cole was a consistently excellent left back for around a decade and Cole and Rio formed an excellent defensive partnership despite Gerrard and Lampard offering no protection in front of them.

Rooney has done OK for England. He's failed in the tournaments though and he has to take responsibility for that. He's had numerous striking partners and not formed a successful partnership with any of them.

Greaves and Linekar were much more lethal and Linekar performed excellently in 2 world cups.

Bit strange that Rooney will become our top ever goalscorer without being a genuine great.

I agree about Cole, but I don't think Ferdinand and Terry ever formed the defensive partnership that their individual skills suggested they should. Maybe that was because of the midfield, but they certainly didn't excel.

I think it's also a bit harsh to say he's 'failed' in the tournaments. He scored 4 goals in 2004, was clearly not fit in 2006, scored when he played in 2012 and scored in 2014 having also set the goal up against Italy.

Don't get me wrong he was hardly a superstar, and I completely agree that he hasn't been in the same class as Greaves and Lineker. But to be fair that's a very high bar, and both of them were playing in much better England teams.

I just think to single out Rooney for criticism in the last mediocre 10 years of England history is unfair as more than anyone he's actually contributed. He's obviously not England's best striker of all time, whatever the record books end up showing, but if we're looking at goals per game in relatively recent history, he stacks up pretty well against the likes of Owen, Shearer etc.