riggi
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The 1882 Movement
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RickyVilla
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Tally ho old bean.Ye I see you up in that box ricky
There's probably something in that but I'd say that it's a relatively minor cause of the ever deteriorating atmosphere at English football stadiums. The vast majority of those who attend games are neither corporates nor "tourists".
The biggest culprit is all seater stadia. There's no doubt that they have changed the character of the English football fan. Too many of us are now just content to sit and watch (and tut and moan every now and then). Or just sit and chat to each other. Or sit and fiddle with smart phones. Too many of us have been trained into submission.
There are those who do wish to sing loudly and often, of course. Hence 1882 at Spurs. Other clubs have similar. But the vast majority of these fans are spread singly or in small pockets around the stadium. There is no place for them to congregate with like minded souls. No standing terrace. So their songs die in the air - unheard by those who would take up the refrain.
RickyVilla
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Very true but I do think you underestimate the amount of corporates and tourists. Corporates don't always sit in boxes and tourists are not always foreign if you get my drift. The one game a season people who really don't have any affinity to the club (not the fans who can't make it often) but go so they have something to talk about at their candlelit soirees.
SpursManChris
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How does all seater stadia mean that they are spread in small pockets and can't congregate?
Back in the days of standing terraces, you didn't have an assigned place in the stand. Those who wanted to sing could congregate together.
Nowadays, everyone has a very specifically designated area of the stand that they must occupy - their seat. And their seat might not be anywhere near other fans who wish to make a noise. But they can't move to join with other like minded fans, as they could on the terraces. They have to stay where they are.
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Well I figured that much. But I assumed that we (along with other clubs) have a massive group that are pre-organised by the club to sit together. These supporters would be London locals with season tickets and are the ones who come up with our chants. (How else are chants composed?) and also the 'chant starters' during a match. (How else can chants be started without a core starting group in synch with eachother? I would assume they would be part of the THST and they would have meetings outside of matchdays. The same group would also be responsible for matchday demonstrations, calling for the managers or the owners head. You tend to notice a huge majority of signs all close together, Cardiff TAN OUT, being the most recent in my mind. Perhaps someone can shed some light into this. @jambreck
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There's nothing like that. No formal or organised group. And that's part of the problem.
THST discusses various fan related issues with the club. But that's about it. Nothing to do with singing or atmosphere.
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SpursManChris
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so how the hell are chants, firstly, composed (not that our chants are anything complicated) and secondly, initiated during a match? (if there's no big cluster of fans) Also, how are matchday demonstrations organised?
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On a simple note, and I am not looking for a vote here, the word 'Supporter' has become somewhat of a myth.
I am one of them; I financially support the club (as ST, bronze silver and gold members do) with belief yet I also pay for the privilege and expect the club to support me through paying the club 800 quid every year. I am a 'fan' and provide a lot of money to support THFC.
That ethos seems to have been lost. Do I now support my family, my mortgage payments and not THFC? Of course family comes first along with the bills and I will go with my choice in that order.
Gutted that all my hard work MAY come to an end regarding Cancer support.
The whole THFC saga has now become a farce; Is it now 10 managers under Levy??.
Lewis must be nuts to keep sanctioning spending with no real return on his investment, even sitting in the Bahamas he must be going bananas over the Bale money being wasted so quickly and sacking a manager so quickly.
And to think that Bale was on Wall Street electronic bill-boards for a week or three before we sold him and also on the EA FIFA 2014 cover.
Who made that decision? Poor one and embarrassing.
I have paid enough into the coffers over the years to sadly say bye (not buy) at the end of the season.
Lewis, not Levy holds the key.
A real shame that a diluted look on this great club cannot keep stability.
I expect a sale of the club might be on the cards.
I hope not, but we cannot dispel that in these times.
I am one of them; I financially support the club (as ST, bronze silver and gold members do) with belief yet I also pay for the privilege and expect the club to support me through paying the club 800 quid every year. I am a 'fan' and provide a lot of money to support THFC.
That ethos seems to have been lost. Do I now support my family, my mortgage payments and not THFC? Of course family comes first along with the bills and I will go with my choice in that order.
Gutted that all my hard work MAY come to an end regarding Cancer support.
The whole THFC saga has now become a farce; Is it now 10 managers under Levy??.
Lewis must be nuts to keep sanctioning spending with no real return on his investment, even sitting in the Bahamas he must be going bananas over the Bale money being wasted so quickly and sacking a manager so quickly.
And to think that Bale was on Wall Street electronic bill-boards for a week or three before we sold him and also on the EA FIFA 2014 cover.
Who made that decision? Poor one and embarrassing.
I have paid enough into the coffers over the years to sadly say bye (not buy) at the end of the season.
Lewis, not Levy holds the key.
A real shame that a diluted look on this great club cannot keep stability.
I expect a sale of the club might be on the cards.
I hope not, but we cannot dispel that in these times.
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I'm led to believe that there will be some sort of 'special' chanting during Thursday's game as a sort of protest against Levy or something.
Listen out for the boys in the shelf singing "we're the stubhub, we're the stubhub, we're the stubhub Tottenham" and the reply from the Park Lane "we're the Sainsburys, we're the Sainsburys, we're the Sainsburys, Tottenham"
I think I got it the right way round. I was told there might well be other special chants although details weren't given.
Anyway, seriously, that's what i've been told. We'll have to wait to see if its true or not.
Listen out for the boys in the shelf singing "we're the stubhub, we're the stubhub, we're the stubhub Tottenham" and the reply from the Park Lane "we're the Sainsburys, we're the Sainsburys, we're the Sainsburys, Tottenham"
I think I got it the right way round. I was told there might well be other special chants although details weren't given.
Anyway, seriously, that's what i've been told. We'll have to wait to see if its true or not.
RickyVilla
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I will be singing about Tescos though. Proper Yid was Tess Cohen.
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That's the end of the co-operation between the club and the 1882 then.
Seems counter productive if true
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Yeah i'm not sure if it IS the 1882 or just the lunatics that stand in that corner section of the shelf. Might even all be rumours.
TottenhamLegend
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WTF
No that is nothing to do with 1882.
The only "organised" thing for Thursday is the minute's applause for Tom in the 23rd minute.
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Then its the lunatics in the shelfWTF
No that is nothing to do with 1882.
The only "organised" thing for Thursday is the minute's applause for Tom in the 23rd minute.
IF it's all true.
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I can't see how a StubHub protest would be affecting the players too much. All they'll hear anyway would be "we're the something, we're the something, we're the something Tottenham", which should be all good.
I think protesting about StubHub is worthwhile, but why drag Sainsbury's into it? (If at all it's true.) Yes, they're building a Sainsbury's, so effing what? What's the problem? It will only discredit the StubHub protest.
I think protesting about StubHub is worthwhile, but why drag Sainsbury's into it? (If at all it's true.) Yes, they're building a Sainsbury's, so effing what? What's the problem? It will only discredit the StubHub protest.
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WTF
No that is nothing to do with 1882.
The only "organised" thing for Thursday is the minute's applause for Tom in the 23rd minute.
i know your involved with the 1882 group, and as posted in the thread for Tom, Spurs lost another supporter this morning to cancer, a 41 yr old father of 2 young boys.
he might not of been an 1882 member but he was part of the Spurs family
TottenhamLegend
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I'm nothing to do with the organisation, I just go along to the games!
As for the news, that's so sad
To go that early and leave 2 young children is devastating. It's probably too short notice to organise something for the guy tonight, but I for one will have him in my mind too when we're singing for Tom.
