The Case For Frank de Boer...continued

[HoltbiusMac]

Bottom line, AVB falls out with players and holds a grudge.

You can't do that if you want to succeed.

Tell Fergie that.

 

[dovahkiin]

atlanta yid:
My man said that he has had no news on the coach front.
So I would doubt that far along with anybody

 

[Yid]

Can people who think we should have kept avb explain tangibly why?

There are a couple of great posts by CrazyHeart (I think it is) on the #Sherwood Out thread, that can help shed some light on what I'm talking about. Just an FYI.

 

[Actonspur_FromCOYS]

No, I'm teasing. Yes I am dead serious.
Perhaps we should start another thread for this discussion, but I'll just try to briefly respond here.

AVB should have been given at least a few more games (if not the rest of the season), but see therein lies the problem -->> his entire stint at Spurs was sabotaged (and no, I am not implying there was some sort of an elaborate plan to destroy his career, but he was deliberately sabotaged by the likes of Ade & Timmy...there is no question about that, AFAIAC).
You can hate on AVB all you want, but it doesn't change the fact he is a bright young manager who had a good plan and pure intentions, he just could not win. Not at Tottenham. He was doomed to failure from the very start (for many reasons, some of which I already mentioned). I would argue that he would've been sacked even if he'd won or drew the aforesaid matches (perhaps not right away, but shortly after).

On the other hand we got Tim, who is praised by many and hailed by some (albeit delusional fans) as the most successful manager in EPL history (based purely on points). Not only does a large portion of our fan base NOT wish to fire Sherwood, but some are actually proposing that we keep him for next year. How ludicrous is that?!?
Yet Andre was practically crucified (less than a year after his hire) by most.
Under Tim we got completely annihilated -->>

by Shiteh 5 - 1,
and then we got destroyed 4-0 by the Chavs and the Dippers both!

Not to mention both losses to Scum, because we're a weak, disjointed, mentally & physically incapacitated mess under Tim Sherwood... on the verge of losing our very identity as Tottenham Hotspur.... but no....he's not a poor Manager, he deserves more time.
The majority of our supporters were screaming for AVB's head on the chopping block, when under the circumstances, he should've gotten (at the bare minimum) a couple more weeks to figure things out.
But what's the point, as the song goes "players gonna play, and haters gonna hate".

I wish I had the time and space to provide a more adequate explanation, but unfortunately I have neither, and this is not the thread to do so.
Thus I digress (at least for now).
To be continued.....

Cheers.

Tbh you sound incredibly partisan - a hardcore member of the 'pro Avb camp,' a camp which, IMO, is just as ludicrous as the 'pro TS camp.'

Neither manager has proved good enough for us IMO for slightly different reasons.

I will support the next manager wholeheartedly as I have all new spurs managers.

 

[spursfan77]

I just hope he is not as stubborn as AVB was. It cost AVB his job and if FDB thinks he can adopt a one size fits all tactic he is going to be in for a shock.

This does concern me.

 

[Robbiepope]

Yeah like AVB, guess you forget the game against City last season where we came from behind to to blow them away 3-1 after AVB changed the tactics

I also remember the thrashings this season and the slow ball aching football. Being used by west ham for starters springs to mind. Do i have to name them the rest of them? Your on thin ice if you try and think of good performances with avb over harry.

 

[Robbiepope]

Because we wouldn't have Sherwood in charge.

You seriously think we would have more points with avb? Deluded.

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

I just hope he is not as stubborn as AVB was. It cost AVB his job and if FDB thinks he can adopt a one size fits all tactic he is going to be in for a shock.

Doesn't seem to be working out too badly for Brendan Rogers.

 

[Kirito]

You seriously think we would have more points? Deluded.

How on earth did you get that from my post?

 

[Monkey boy]

Can people who think we should have kept avb explain tangibly why?

Yes I'm sure they can but PLEASE do it elsewhere. It's been done a million times in a million different threads. Please can we keep this on track? Any ITK, tweets etc today whilst I've been away?

 

[Yid]

Tbh you sound incredibly partisan - a hardcore member of the 'pro Avb camp,' a camp which, IMO, is just as ludicrous as the 'pro TS camp.'
Neither manager has proved good enough for us IMO for slightly different reasons.
I will support the next manager wholeheartedly as I have all new spurs managers.

Hahahaha. How predictable. I've been waiting for the personal labels to come out. And voila! Didn't have to wait long.

So, let me get this straight "I sound like a hard-core member of the pro-AVB camp"???
So your obvious disregard for Andre must surely mean you're an extremely biased member of the anti-AVB camp?? Because that's exactly as ludicrous as what you're implying.
I do not belong to any camp. I am neither pro-AVB, nor anti-TS.
I am however a true blue Yid, through and through....and I'm naffin proud of it.
I just don't like bias and double standards.
I also stand up for what I believe in, and in this case I happen to believe AVB (who was incidentally at the time of his termination our winningest Manager with a 53.7% victory rate) was not given a bona fide chance to prove his managerial abilities to us and to the club.
Furthermore, I believe his leadership and authority was constantly undermined by cheap innuendos and backstabbing intrigues of certain players and club members.
Those beliefs do not make me a hard-core pro-AVB partisan.

 

[Larryjanta]

the way this thread has dissolved into an AVB TS hatred/love in is exactly the reason FDB won't last 18 months. Our fans are too impatient and then over the top passionate about removing their hate figure

 

[Yid]

Technical staff

• Manager: Frank de Boer
• Assistant manager: Dennis Bergkamp
• Assistant manager: Hennie Spijkerman
• Defensive trainer: Jaap Stam
• Goalkeepers trainer: Carlo l'Ami

That's a good set of staff.
Imagine if Bergkamp went to us- Gooners already worried about it

Stam as defensive coach
If he can't sort out our defence no one can

I concur, especially with the last sentence in bold.
Stam is an absolute beast. He will definitely whip the boys into proper shape.

COPYRIGHT IMAGE REMOVED
I mean, look at him. Wouldn't want to get on his bad side.

 

[Graysonti]

Yes

 

[Prannay Vats]

Look I'm all for FDB, but i just noticed something. After the Santini debacle we had a good coach in Jol to stabilize us, we opted for Ramos then (Exotic coach) who flopped. It was a not so fancy Harry Redknapp who stabilized us. We then tried an exotic name in AVB again which did not work out. Like it or not, Tim is winning games for us and has stabilized us to a certain extent (agreed its our squad quality that's helping but you see my point right?). My only doubt with FDB is are we making the same mistake thrice (or is the fourth?) time by bringing in another exotic name to revolutionize us? Tim might be outspoken, but are we expecting too much from a stop-gap manager who came in mid season with Champions league pressure on him? Shouldn't we at-least give him one more season to see what he's got in a tactical sense? To be consistent we need stability, and what's to say FDB or LVG or Pochettino might be another exotic name who couldn't cut it at Spurs?

 

[Anto18]

Tbh you sound incredibly partisan - a hardcore member of the 'pro Avb camp,' a camp which, IMO, is just as ludicrous as the 'pro TS camp.'

Neither manager has proved good enough for us IMO for slightly different reasons.

I will support the next manager wholeheartedly as I have all new spurs managers.

There's a pro TS camp ???
Who are these psychos??

 

[nedley]

Look I'm all for FDB, but i just noticed something. After the Santini debacle we had a good coach in Jol to stabilize us, we opted for Ramos then (Exotic coach) who flopped. It was a not so fancy Harry Redknapp who stabilized us. We then tried an exotic name in AVB again which did not work out. Like it or not, Tim is winning games for us and has stabilized us to a certain extent (agreed its our squad quality that's helping but you see my point right?). My only doubt with FDB is are we making the same mistake thrice (or is the fourth?) time by bringing in another exotic name to revolutionize us? Tim might be outspoken, but are we expecting too much from a stop-gap manager who came in mid season with Champions league pressure on him? Shouldn't we at-least give him one more season to see what he's got in a tactical sense? To be consistent we need stability, and what's to say FDB or LVG or Pochettino might be another exotic name who couldn't cut it at Spurs?

Nice try....



















But no.

 

[Yid]

Look I'm all for FDB, but i just noticed something. After the Santini debacle we had a good coach in Jol to stabilize us, we opted for Ramos then (Exotic coach) who flopped. It was a not so fancy Harry Redknapp who stabilized us. We then tried an exotic name in AVB again which did not work out. Like it or not, Tim is winning games for us and has stabilized us to a certain extent (agreed its our squad quality that's helping but you see my point right?). My only doubt with FDB is are we making the same mistake thrice (or is the fourth?) time by bringing in another exotic name to revolutionize us? Tim might be outspoken, but are we expecting too much from a stop-gap manager who came in mid season with Champions league pressure on him? Shouldn't we at-least give him one more season to see what he's got in a tactical sense? To be consistent we need stability, and what's to say FDB or LVG or Pochettino might be another exotic name who couldn't cut it at Spurs?

Hahahaha.

I am sorry, this is just too funny.

1) There is a clear difference between being outspoken, and being an obnoxious loudmouth (e.g. Sherwood).
2) To have tactical sense, one must first have common sense, and Timmy is seriously lacking in that department (IMHO of course)
3) FDB is light years ahead of Tim (so is AVB for that matter). And it has nothing to do with exotic or foreign or anything else of that nature. It directly pertains to intelligence, tactical acumen, integrity, and a decent amount of people skills (all of which are qualities Tim does not possess).

 

[Actonspur_FromCOYS]

Hahahaha. How predictable. I've been waiting for the personal labels to come out. And voila! Didn't have to wait long.

So, let me get this straight "I sound like a hard-core member of the pro-AVB camp"???
So your obvious disregard for Andre must surely mean you're an extremely biased member of the anti-AVB camp?? Because that's exactly as ludicrous as what you're implying.
I do not belong to any camp. I am neither pro-AVB, nor anti-TS.
I am however a true blue Yid, through and through....and I'm naffin proud of it.
I just don't like bias and double standards.
I also stand up for what I believe in, and in this case I happen to believe AVB (who was incidentally at the time of his termination our winningest Manager with a 53.7% victory rate) was not given a bona fide chance to prove his managerial abilities to us and to the club.
Furthermore, I believe his leadership and authority was constantly undermined by cheap innuendos and backstabbing intrigues of certain players and club members.
Those beliefs do not make me a hard-core pro-AVB partisan.

Wtf?

I said neither he nor TS have proved good enough for us. I supported his tenure when he was doing well but when he started to make bizarre decisions which led to results and performances waning, my support dwindled. This is the default position of someone who is in no camp - you judge someone on the results being indifferent to the person them self.

Your previous post was the epitome of the boring 'here's why avb is better than TS' cherry picking of facts. Hence the 'pro avb camp' comment.

Do you acknowledge the negatives of avbs management? Because these have been glaringly omitted from your assessment thus far, a fact which, to most indifferent bystanders, make you appear incredibly partisan.

 

[Prannay Vats]

Hahahaha.

I am sorry, this is just too funny.

1) There is a clear difference between being outspoken, and being an obnoxious loudmouth (e.g. Sherwood).
2) To have tactical sense, one must first have common sense, and Timmy is seriously lacking in that department (IMHO of course)
3) FDB is light years ahead of Tim (so is AVB for that matter). And it has nothing to do with exotic or foreign or anything else of that nature. It directly pertains to intelligence, tactical acumen, and a decent amount of people skills (all of which are qualities Tim does not possess).

Screw it. Let's get FDB, atleast Jan will stay.