The Case For Frank de Boer...continued

[karennina]

Sherwood's gone - let the man rest in peace for God's sake.

He's not gone, he's practicing his lines on how to denigrate us right now in the mirror.

On goals on Sunday - Tim Sherwood and Les Ferdinand

 

[alpha]

Lets just get on with it and appoint FDB. It will be the best decision Tottenham & Levy has ever made.

 

[beats1]

I've no idea about his guy and whether he is a good source. Never heard about him before. None the less, here are some tweets I came across:

1. 
   Sir Les Sherdinand ‏@MrOKanenas
   If anyone is interested, we've spoken to FDB but there are reservations over his request for control of all #thfc sides from 1st to juniors.
2. 
   Sir Les Sherdinand ‏@MrOKanenas
   Just so you know, Jan's advisors have told #THFC that he would be willing to stay if FDB is appointed. Not sure is same goes with Poch!

He might be guessing, if so even I could put this tweets together. Then again, he might know what he is talking about.

This is the best thing about FDB and he doesnt want control over transfers but the academy, which should be music to Levy's ears

The fact that our best player season owes alot to FDB shows what he can achieve

 

[EQP]

The only thing about giving him control over the academy would mean Levy would have to stick with FDB regardless of where we finish in the next seasons. There is no point in having FDB come in, take over the academy setup and get fired for finishing 7th forcing us to change the academy setup again ( possibly stagnating some of the youth players progress).

 

[TheGreenLily]

The only thing about giving him control over the academy would mean Levy would have to stick with FDB regardless of where we finish in the next seasons. There is no point in having FDB come in, take over the academy setup and get fired for finishing 7th forcing us to change the academy setup again ( possibly stagnating some of the youth players progress).

Which would bring stability to the club...

 

[absolute bobbins]

The only thing about giving him control over the academy would mean Levy would have to stick with FDB regardless of where we finish in the next seasons. There is no point in having FDB come in, take over the academy setup and get fired for finishing 7th forcing us to change the academy setup again ( possibly stagnating some of the youth players progress).

It's a misconception that Levy wants to fire managers, don't fall into the trap.

It's only when he is given little to no choice in the matter, Harry ****ed us off, lost focus, was being figured out by the opposition and was irritating for a new contract on the first day of his mothers Shiva so had to go, if he was my employee I'd have killed him for the last one (obviously after the last day of the Shiva)
AVB seemed to have alienated everyone outside of the first team and Adebayor.
Tim, well everyone know's his failings.

If Daniel is comfortable and can see progress then he won't lose his nerve, there is also one less chap dripping poison in his ear since Tim has departed.

 

[indianspurs]

"Would Frank de Boer do well in the Premier League? Well, I think that good coaches do well everywhere," -Christian Eriksen

“He’s an excellent coach with a great future. He’s a coach who stands among his players, but can also pull rank when needed. He is an excellent reader of the game and knows how to present himself as a coach both on and off the pitch,”
-Van Marwijk

“Ajax have one of the best coaches in the World in Frank de Boer. The manager always has ideas and has confidence in youth. He’ll want his players to step up – and he will believe they can. That is always the way with Ajax. Players leave and they are replaced by ones coming through from the youth set up.

“He’s so smart. He sees things three steps ahead and knows everything about football. That’s why I think he’s one of the best Coaches in the World.” - Toby Alderweireld

"Like Pep Guardiola as a player, you could see Frank would become a trainer. He is a winner. He wanted to win everything, even card games, anything other than football, he wanted to win, and that's the most important thing everybody needs to have. That's the most important thing, that you are a winner. He is a big trainer coming, absolutely." - Patrick Kluivert

''A few years back Frank de Boer was an assistant manager with the national team, so I know him a little bit as well. You can also say that he was very passionate and on top of everything he did. He has done so well with the young players Ajax have had for the past four years and they are the champions.'' - Michael Vorm

''When you look at the results and the performances at Spurs there’s a lot of room for improvement. I want to contribute something to a club, to build something. So people can say, I see Frank de Boer’s influence there.''- Frank De Boer

 

[Darth Vega]

The only thing about giving him control over the academy would mean Levy would have to stick with FDB regardless of where we finish in the next seasons. There is no point in having FDB come in, take over the academy setup and get fired for finishing 7th forcing us to change the academy setup again ( possibly stagnating some of the youth players progress).

This is exactly why we should get him. We like to talk about long-term projects an awful lot at Spurs but with a new manager every 18 months we constantly undermine ourselves. Having a manager involved from the youth all the way to the senior squad sounds like exactly what we should go for if we really want to have some stability.

 

[Metalhead]

It's a misconception that Levy wants to fire managers, don't fall into the trap.

It's only when he is given little to no choice in the matter, Harry ****ed us off, lost focus, was being figured out by the opposition and was irritating for a new contract on the first day of his mothers Shiva so had to go, if he was my employee I'd have killed him for the last one (obviously after the last day of the Shiva)
AVB seemed to have alienated everyone outside of the first team and Adebayor.
Tim, well everyone know's his failings.

If Daniel is comfortable and can see progress then he won't lose his nerve, there is also one less chap dripping poison in his ear since Tim has departed.

If coaches/managers etc. keep failing, does the hirer ever need to be accountable? This is a genuine question, not necessarily an argument against what you've said.

 

[walworthyid]

It's a misconception that Levy wants to fire managers, don't fall into the trap.

It's only when he is given little to no choice in the matter, Harry ****ed us off, lost focus, was being figured out by the opposition and was irritating for a new contract on the first day of his mothers Shiva so had to go, if he was my employee I'd have killed him for the last one (obviously after the last day of the Shiva)
AVB seemed to have alienated everyone outside of the first team and Adebayor.
Tim, well everyone know's his failings.

If Daniel is comfortable and can see progress then he won't lose his nerve, there is also one less chap dripping poison in his ear since Tim has departed.

Spot on. If ever there was a manager that you would levy would want to sack it was harry and because he was successful he lasted 4 years. Levy looks at 2 main things; how successful the team is and how happy the fans are and in general the 2 go hand in hand. In general we are the best indicator of how the team is doing.

Another case in point is tim. Sherwood did a very good job in terms of success but we weren't happy so Tim had to go. Levy gets a bad press but in almost every case he does what most of us want. The sale of players is the only area and you could argue that his hand was forced and he fought it every step of the way.

 

[absolute bobbins]

If coaches/managers etc. keep failing, does the hirer ever need to be accountable? This is a genuine question, not necessarily an argument against what you've said.

The problem with the question is who is Daniel accountable to? He's the chairman of the board and owns 24.9% of the club/29.4% of ENIC, he also seems to be the proxy for Joe's voting rights, there's nobody above him to be accountable to.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Nope - not when they are explicit examples which disprove this notion that keeping the ball means the opposition can't score.

They don't disprove that at all. They didn't score when they didn't have the ball. They scored in phases when they did have the ball.

They just prove that it is possible to not have the majority of possession to win football matches. Something I have never denied.

None of them were exceptional events - they are all instances of teams, probably the inferior team in each instance, giving up possession and winning the game. You can't dismiss them just because they don't fit your agenda.

I can easily acknowledge a team deliberately surrendering possession, and apply tactical pragmatism. What I don't acknowledge is when it isn't a team being tactically pragmatic but just being outplayed.

What you don't seem to be able to accept is any deviation from the non-truth that AVB played some perfect system which would've eventually reaped rewards - all the evidence suggests otherwise. We were getting worse.

But all the evidence doesn't suggest otherwise. Evidence of his time at Porto suggests that in the right circumstances a team he coached could play with quick transitions and score goals. Evidence of his first season with us suggested he could coach a team that could score goals and achieve results. Sometimes in football the performance/result graph isn't linear. Look at Liverpool.

You also don't seem to be able to accept that there's a middle ground between "100mph brainless blood and thunder" football and endless patient defensive build-up with 372 passes which end in a Townsend shot from 25 yards into row z.

There is a compromise, which involves pace, power, quick movement and not playing a high line. It's not brainless "English football". In fact it's more like Bilbao of recent years. Pressing, tackling, movement and some bloody urgency with the ball now and again.

Why say this, when I have said the opposite. It's just silly.

Oh and Arsenal did allow us to dominate the ball, it was a very deliberate decision by Wenger after Wilshere went off and it suited their line-up a lot more - we've had this discussion before and in the end you were arguing against a large number of people. And to accuse me of making stuff up is hilarious. But hey presumably this stuff from the BBC match report is all made up as well:









Or maybe the Guardian is making stuff up in their match report as well:















But yeah, I'm making it all up - Arsenal definitely didn't let us have the ball after taking Wilshere off and deliberately hit us on the counter. Nope, never happened, and everyone who saw it was suffering from a delusion at the time.

It doesn't scare me to be arguing against a number of people. We had more ball than them before they scored, we had more ball than them after they scored. That wasn't because they decided before the game to allow us to have more ball than them. It was because of how we set up and how we played, because under AVB that was our plan. Wenger after the game said he couldn't explain why Arsenal didn't have more of the ball.

So you can bring your BBC, your Guardian, Your dad and your dad's dinner. If you all think the pre match game plan from Arsenal was to allow us to dominate the ball for 90 minutes you're all wrong.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Is absolutely not what people are saying.

Nor are they saying there is only 100mph crash bang wallop football or 372 pass defensive possession football.

 

[Metalhead]

The problem with the question is who is Daniel accountable to? He's the chairman of the board and owns 24.9% of the club/29.4% of ENIC, he also seems to be the proxy for Joe's voting rights, there's nobody above him to be accountable to.

I do agree. I guess that ultimately the only thing that would decide DL's fate would be if the fans grew restless enough to boycott matches, which I can't see happening. The thing is that DL's heart is in the right place in that he wants the best for Spurs and I think he's as driven as he ever was. I think that his only failing, if it could be called a failing is that he expects a lot given our relatively modest status revenue wise. I don't think he should be criticized for being ambitious though. I can't see there being any sort of campaign against Levy like there was with Sugar (that wasn't particularly nice anyway) and neither should there be.

 

[absolute bobbins]

@xtrac don't be a stranger, which bit did you disagree with and why?

 

[samsonlevi]

I've almost got to the stage that I don't want to read any more on FDB or Poch as I am now really keen on both and can't decide!!

I will be very happy with either of these (equally disappointed we didn't employ the other)

As long as we go for one of these two (and soon)I will be excited and tomorrow's result (scum playing) won't matter to me!

But if we do want FDB and the scum lose tomorrow and Wenger doesn't sign a new deal then FDB could be their main target!! that would be upsetting!!

 

[TheSecretNonFootballer]

They don't disprove that at all. They didn't score when they didn't have the ball. They scored in phases when they did have the ball.

They just prove that it is possible to not have the majority of possession to win football matches. Something I have never denied.



I can easily acknowledge a team deliberately surrendering possession, and apply tactical pragmatism. What I don't acknowledge is when it isn't a team being tactically pragmatic but just being outplayed.



But all the evidence doesn't suggest otherwise. Evidence of his time at Porto suggests that in the right circumstances a team he coached could play with quick transitions and score goals. Evidence of his first season with us suggested he could coach a team that could score goals and achieve results. Sometimes in football the performance/result graph isn't linear. Look at Liverpool.



Why say this, when I have said the opposite. It's just silly.



It doesn't scare me to be arguing against a number of people. We had more ball than them before they scored, we had more ball than them after they scored. That wasn't because they decided before the game to allow us to have more ball than them. It was because of how we set up and how we played, because under AVB that was our plan. Wenger after the game said he couldn't explain why Arsenal didn't have more of the ball.

So you can bring your BBC, your Guardian, Your dad and your dad's dinner. If you all think the pre match game plan from Arsenal was to allow us to dominate the ball for 90 minutes you're all wrong.

I can't imagine that Wenger will ever set Arsenal up to play like that. It just isn't his style.

 

[zzz]

I've no idea about his guy and whether he is a good source. Never heard about him before. None the less, here are some tweets I came across:

1. 
   Sir Les Sherdinand ‏@MrOKanenas
   If anyone is interested, we've spoken to FDB but there are reservations over his request for control of all #thfc sides from 1st to juniors.
2. 
   Sir Les Sherdinand ‏@MrOKanenas
   Just so you know, Jan's advisors have told #THFC that he would be willing to stay if FDB is appointed. Not sure is same goes with Poch!

He might be guessing, if so even I could put this tweets together. Then again, he might know what he is talking about.

The second bit was rumoured when FDB was being touted before the media bust up.

Just seems he has embellished it and stated it as fact. Which makes me query the rest of it.

Just has a feeling of guess work based on newspaper reports, coupled with ambiguous quotes that leave a lot of leeway if they don't transpire.

What's his history like?

 

[Metalhead]

I've almost got to the stage that I don't want to read any more on FDB or Poch as I am now really keen on both and can't decide!!

I will be very happy with either of these (equally disappointed we didn't employ the other)

As long as we go for one of these two (and soon)I will be excited and tomorrow's result (scum playing) won't matter to me!

But if we do want FDB and the scum lose tomorrow and Wenger doesn't sign a new deal then FDB could be their main target!! that would be upsetting!!

Wenger has said that tomorrow's result won't have a bearing either way on his decision. I don't think that they'll lose anyway.

 

[Shea]

Wenger has said that tomorrow's result won't have a bearing either way on his decision. I don't think that they'll lose anyway.

I can't see Arsenal losing either

But then I couldn't see them losing to Birmingham and I couldn't see Man City losing to Wigan

Its very much a long shot for Hull to turn them over - but I would love it (more than Keegan) if Livermore or Huddlestone popped up with a winner