The Case For Frank de Boer...continued

[TheAmerican]

From Ajax forums (please do not mind translation errors):

Should he leave, I expect that things implode.The best way players, coaches way alternates wrong, bickering within the club, scandals etc, etc.

De Boer is the figurehead, child of the club and extremely successful.This ensures peace within the club.Frank goes away then everyone gets confused, supporters of the board.In addition, we are currently swimming a little above our depth with 4 out of the last 4 years.So you can expect that it will soon be less.A new coach will then rammed the debt while Frank would be forgiven.Criticism towards TH and administration will follow soon.Very NL titles will be more than enough for Ajax so if there is anything then the extra wide coverage in the press, so you will get very different coverage than the good news show in recent years.Trainers on the Future were able to ever feel valued less than 'under Frank.And fans are already complaining about the game, how it will be if we suddenly 4th or 5th stand?The team is not as strong as 4 suggests in a row (Frank also takes players along?), Therefore this is mi the worst possible time for a new coach.

Sigh ... is again drawn the comparison with others.Surely you can simply judge Frank alone?On performance falls off little things that Frank has done very well.He has an eye for the youth and (more importantly) he can keep them on the path, and they listen to em.There have been a lot of trainers who have chewed on Ajax .. chastened coaches, "children of the club in recent years. .. they are all stopped and did not become a champion.I wonder whether the climate at Ajax has really changed, or that Frank was just a lucky shot that just about the whole club on his shoulders has taken.His last years of success, a performance of Frank Overmars / TH ?The latter have not yet demonstrated a keen eye and you wonder whether they have an objective look like Frank to be replaced.Whether they are also going through their rolodex looking for "old friends."But again, I think Frank will not leave yet this year.

Frank is, unlike many others,more about "we" instead of "me..." Unity of thought and action.

Frank de Boer would do well to stay. Delicious with AjaxAlthough his expertise is undisputed, I do not see him necessarily succeed at a foreign club.Mainly because of the issues surrounding the football.Language, culture, et cetera.At Ajax he can contrast a kind Alex Ferguson are.Champion with mediocre football is an art, let alone what it performs like it once top players are available.

There seem to be differing opinions on his play and if or if not he should leave, and how much it may effect them.

 

[TheAmerican]

Also, if anyone speaks the language and can translate part of this, I would appreciate it
http://at5.nl/c/wZL

It's a video interview with de Boer, within which he mentions that bringing Van der Vaart back is an option he has considered The return of Rafael van der Vaart is an option to Frank de Boer. "He's a real Ajax-man, he has experience, knows what is demanded in training and I think he is a very good professional."

 

[JerryGarcia]

Whether they are also going through their rolodex looking for "old friends."But again, I think Frank will not leave yet this year

Now that's a fun word to say with a Dutch accent.... Let me take a look through my Rolodexsh!

 

[Swazi.Spurs]

Been wondering - whilst wading my way through the pages and pages of "The case for X, Y or Z..." More or less what would most supporters (or Levy's) expectations be for the team next season under whoever gets the hot seat. Is top 4 a must, or does he get a bit more time to try put all the bits and pieces together and build something?

 

[JerryGarcia]

Been wondering - whilst wading my way through the pages and pages of "The case for X, Y or Z..." More or less what would most supporters (or Levy's) expectations be for the team next season under whoever gets the hot seat. Is top 4 a must, or does he get a bit more time to try put all the bits and pieces together and build something?

I think Top 4 is the target but I doubt it's 'a must' anymore, especially with another new manager.

 

[Blake Griffin]

Out of interest if we did end up with FDB we would expect to move in for a couple of Ajax's players I'm sure. Out of their squad who would you say is good enough for us?
Blind but at LB or CM?
Veltman?
Fischer?
Any others?

none of them. fischer might be good enough for spurs one day but not now, he's regressed this season. ajax aren't a good team so i have no idea why people want us to sign half their squad, they're a similar level to newcastle or stoke and i don't see too many of our fans clamouring for their players. this is a side who were trounced 6-1 by salzburg, why don't we go for their players instead?

zivkovic is a big talent but ajax only just signed him, he's one we should be looking at but if fdb does come in i hope we don't end up raiding the eredivisie, it's a bog-standard league getting weaker and weaker by the year, you only have to look at the state of the national team to see that dutch football is in a talent rut currently.

 

[Coyboy]

Been wondering - whilst wading my way through the pages and pages of "The case for X, Y or Z..." More or less what would most supporters (or Levy's) expectations be for the team next season under whoever gets the hot seat. Is top 4 a must, or does he get a bit more time to try put all the bits and pieces together and build something?

Top four can't be a must partly because it puts too much pressure on the players and the manager. Clearly top four wasn't a must for Liverpool in 2012/13, so why should it be for us?

Whether it's Poch, FDB or whoever they will need time. While we have discussed their pros and cons ad nauseam, they are perhaps both similar in wanting to build the teams from the ground up in nurturing not acquiring talent. That's the one benefit that they may have over Benitez. Whoever we appoint, I want him (or her) to still be here in 2016.

 

[Swazi.Spurs]

I think Top 4 is the target but I doubt it's 'a must' anymore, especially with another new manager.

So fighting somewhere between 5-8 with a bit of a cup run and playing attractive football should keep them in everyone's good books. As long as they not giving away nearly thirty and scoring only twice against the top four.

 

[JerryGarcia]

So fighting somewhere between 5-8 with a bit of a cup run and playing attractive football should keep them in everyone's good books. As long as they not giving away nearly thirty and scoring only twice against the top four.

Top 6 I would guess is ok for most fans next season if we're showing signs of improvement. Based on finances and recent years we shouldn't really come any lower than 6th though in my opinion.

 

[xtrac]

Top 6 I would guess is ok for most fans next season if we're showing signs of improvement. Based on finances and recent years we shouldn't really come any lower than 6th though in my opinion.

DL wont be happy with 6th!!

 

[JerryGarcia]

DL wont be happy with 6th!!

I don't think any of us would be "happy" with it but we have clubs with a lot more money in front of us so we'll have to settle for it unless the new manager can get us playing above and beyond what we've seen the last few seasons.

 

[xtrac]

I don't think any of us would be "happy" with it but we have clubs with a lot more money in front of us so we'll have to settle for it unless the new manager can get us playing above and beyond what we've seen the last few seasons.

Dont have to tell me mate, tell that to DL.

 

[bookhouseboy]

Factors that really pushes FDB ahead are ambition and loyalty.

MoPo comes off a lot more as one with main-ambition to use us as a stepping-stone for a bigger club and will be gone at the first chance he get if he's somewhat successful at our club as well.

FDB's ambition is to set his mark at a club and develop the whole club so the foundation for the next guy will be a lot better than when he arrived – and he's already proven to be loyal enough not to drop his work at Ajax at the first opportunity.

And let's be realistic, our best chances to secure multiple CL-spots were during the Modric-era, and we won't be in such relative strong position again until after the new stadium arrives.
Until then we need a longterm-thinking manager that will contribute to the development of the whole club, and at the same time with enough short-term abilities so we're still in a position to be an outsider for CL-qualification during the pre-new-stadium-years.

If FDB is successful he'll have my blessing to go whenever he feels his work at our club is done, both because I think the foundation for the next Head Coach will be stronger – and also because I don't think FDB will jump ship in a year if another club comes knocking, and that's not something I'm confident about regarding MoPo.

Also if FDB is unsuccessful he won't do irremediable damage, and that's the real danger in hiring an old-school manager like Benitez, Moyes et al – the cleanup after a manager-type is a lot messier than the cleanup after a head coach, and I don't think the short-term success-chance for Benitez is that much higher to justify all the negatives.

 

[JerryGarcia]

Dont have to tell me mate, tell that to DL.

I think he'll see it the same way now. It was different when we had Bale, VDV, King and Modric, we could aim higher and rightly so, but I doubt Levy will sack the next guy early unless things go seriously wrong.

 

[absolute bobbins]

DL wont be happy with 6th!!

Well thanks for that Franco but the top four target expired a couple of weeks ago. AVB wasn't set a fourth place target in his first season and it's wrong to guess that de Boer would be either.

 

[gushayes11]

 

[xtrac]

Well thanks for that Franco but the top four target expired a couple of weeks ago. AVB wasn't set a fourth place target in his first season and it's wrong to guess that de Boer would be either.

ffs mate dont start!! go back to bed!

 

[Hoddtastic72]

Why not target top 3 next season? If we aim high and we are more likely to succeed. Also rather than being the perennial bottle boys, always unable to cope when it really matters. Why can't we just go for it next season and give it our all, play with belief and actually exceed expectations. We need to start winning and let go of the losers mentality. We have some very good international within our squad who underperformed for the most part last season, this season things need to change. We just need the right manager.

 

[chinaman]

Why not target top 3 next season? If we aim high and we are more likely to succeed. Also rather than being the perennial bottle boys, always unable to cope when it really matters. Why can't we just go for it next season and give it our all, play with belief and actually exceed expectations. We need to start winning and let go of the losers mentality. We have some very good international within our squad who underperformed for the most part last season, this season things need to change. We just need the right manager.

FdB is the man as he wants to win at everything, so it's said.

 

[Hoddtastic72]

FdB is the man as he wants to win at everything, so it's said.

Would be a good choice and cause for much optimism