The case for Tim Sherwood

[eddiebailey]

Really interesting interview by Sherwood.

http://www.tottenhamjournal.co.uk/t...lls_for_long_term_strategy_at_spurs_1_3136411

He speaks a fair amount of sense.

Actually that is a smashing interview.

 

[bigfrooj]

I thought it was interesting that he involved the youth team left-back in first team training this week, if only to demonstrate that he knows all the players at the club and in the long term we will see more youth coming through. This is what Levy wants albeit Sherwood is in charge a little earlier than anyone would envisage.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

The club need a change at the top.

When I toured the club I found it way too 'commercially' focused. All set up for sponsors and schmoozing business men. Almost a Gastro Pub style to the interior.

I wanted to see a sense of proud history and all the great players we've had.

We can bring in who we like but Tim Sherwood is right. The club needs a philosophy and identity.

Fact is the club need to schmooze business men to squeeze money out of them. We need to try and bridge the gap between ourselves and our significantly richer rivals by any method possible.

 

[CowInAComa]

Im beginning to think that it may well be Sherwood at least for the remainder of the season.

 

[MikeCOYS]

Give Tim Sherwood a chance. He did well to make the lacklustre Adebayor play hard, and generally the team was more progressive and seemed like they 'care'.

He's a Spurs man and knows the Spurs philosophy, but his inexperience may be the problem. But if we don't give him few games we will never know if he's a gem or not.

Also, a lot of it is down to the players. They need the desire to play, and be more positive and stop passing backwards and hope another player carry the team forward. I say this because, Bale mentioned,

"At Tottenham I was always trying to get onto the ball and make everything tick, whereas here everybody's doing that, there are world-class players all around the pitch and you're able to concentrate just on your game rather than bringing the whole team forward, and I'm enjoying that."

Source: http://www.itv.com/sport/football/a...r-gareth-bale-i-had-to-be-main-man-at-spurs/?
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As you can see from Bale's quote, a lot of it is down to the players around him. Even when Bale was playing for us, our team looked uninterested. They lack the drive to win games, unlike Bale, who steps forward and ACTUALLY wants to win games for Spurs.

It's a shame because they're all so talented and I think AVB was made a scapegoat because of our players none-existent effort. Don't get me wrong, I think AVB didn't have the man-management skill to raise the players game. But there aren't many managers who can.

We need a manager that can make all our players take the initiative and have that 'fight' in them to win games. Like Dawson and Holtby, but two isn't enough, and you see lesser teams with more desire to win games than us.

Perhaps it's a lack of confidence, or even over-confident (think they can easily take 3 points from any team but in reality, it never happens).

I don't mind who manages us, as long as they can make our Spurs team play. Play with more than 60% effort.

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[dondo]

Why did Sherwood risk Danny Rose, then? He, like Eriksen, is back from a long-term injury and is in a position where we are dangerously thin. Why did he risk Kyle Walker, too, when we only have Naughton deputizing for him, also? If he was truly saving his best players for Sunday, he could've started Fryers and Naughton, instead of risking the two players whose back-ups are significantly worse than our first choice options.

As I've said before, I'm not remotely convinced that Sherwood was saving Soldado, Eriksen, or Lamela for Southampton, as I believe all three will not start (I expect Lennon, Chadli, and one of Defoe/Adebayor). If I'm wrong on that, I'll come back in here and apologize.

Was not even on bench, Fredricks was. From Sherwoods 1st team selection it looks like he is going to integrate a few youngsters, which im all for but it might upset a few squad players

 

[Mouse!]

Was not even on bench, Fredricks was. From Sherwoods 1st team selection it looks like he is going to integrate a few youngsters, which im all for but it might upset a few squad players

Good. Our youth players should be some of our squad players. Fredericks has shown more in one game against Anzhi than Naughton has in his whole time at Spurs. Pretty sure the only reason he's here is because he's best mates with Walker.

 

[Sum Monsterism]

Give Tim Sherwood a chance. He did well to make the lacklustre Adebayor play hard, and generally the team was more progressive and seemed like they 'care'.

etc, then

It's a shame because they're all so talented and I think AVB was made a scapegoat because of our players none-existent effort. Don't get me wrong, I think AVB didn't have the man-management skill to raise the players game. But there aren't many managers who can.

We need a manager that can make all our players take the initiative and have that 'fight' in them to win games.

"Give Tim Sherwood a chance. He did well to make the lacklustre Adebayor play hard"


More likely, Ade was trying to prove a point that he should've been playing under AVB...


"It's a shame because they're all so talented and I think AVB was made a scapegoat because of our players none-existent effort. Don't get me wrong, I think AVB didn't have the man-management skill to raise the players game. But there aren't many managers who can."


But you just said Sherwood did with Ade, so you want him to get the gig?

 

[BorisTM]

Is at the door! Now pack your stuff and move on Tim.

So people were willing to give AVB time so he could get his set up going, now the man who has to fix all the shit that AVB left behind is expected to do the magic in one game? Comon now, be realistic. At least we scored a goal against West Ham, which I think is already an improvement to what AVB had achieved with the team this season.

 

[Metalhead]

So people were willing to give AVB time so he could get his set up going, now the man who has to fix all the shit that AVB left behind is expected to do the magic in one game? Comon now, be realistic. At least we scored a goal against West Ham, which I think is already an improvement to what AVB had achieved with the team this season.

I don't mind a reasoned argument against Sherwood but I can't be doing with 'I don't want Sherwood anywhere near the club' or 'pack your bags and go'. At least give some sort of explanation.

 

[Gb160]

But if it is a concern Ramsay is a coaching badge assessor

Who interestingly, failed AVB the first time he took his UEFA B license, Andre had to re-sit the test.

 

[Mouse!]

Who interestingly, failed AVB the first time he took his UEFA B license, Andre had to re-sit the test.

Andre smoked too much weed when he should've been studying.

 

[SpursOldBoy]

I don't mind a reasoned argument against Sherwood but I can't be doing with 'I don't want Sherwood anywhere near the club' or 'pack your bags and go'. At least give some sort of explanation.

I think from what I am reading most people who don't want him near the club are saying it is a combination of his personality (someone mentioned him abusing a woman in a nightclub and setting his friends on a guy); some question his lack of management and tactical experience (citing the way we set up in the West Ham game, the substitutions he made and how he reacted after they equalised). I don't think I can judge him out on the one game and he doesn't have a fully fit squad to work with at the moment.

Positives for Tim - His interviews are refreshingly honest and his knowledge of the youth team setup and the players coming through the system are a strength. He wants to give the youth players a chance. He understands the game being an ex-pro and the pressures put on players. He understands what Spurs should be, the history of the club, the fans, how important it is to play a certain way and how we crave success. I'm willing to give him a chance for the time being.

I'd give him until January, see how we are going and in the meantime draw up a list of attributes that the next manager must have in terms of communication skills, coaching ability, man management skills, tactical knowledge of the game - both in terms of the Premiership (which I think is unique) and for playing in Europe (which requires a different mindset). Then rank candidates against each and the best man wins.

 

[Sum Monsterism]

...I'd give him until January...

10 days? You're too kind.

 

[SpursOldBoy]

10 days? You're too kind.

LOL , yeah sorry I should said end season. Whoever comes in now is going to have a hard chance turning things round and getting us into the CL qualifying spot. We need someone to steady the team, who understabnds the setup and can work with the players. I think the combination of TS, LF and CR is the right one for the moment.

 

[StartingPrice]

I remember a certain well-known former member of the site castigating Sherwood endlessly just for being at the club and complaining that he hadn't even done a good job. When questioned, he conceded that he neither knew what Sherwood's job was, nor had any meaningful way of evaluating whether he was doing a good job or not, and just disliked him - for some old playing beef with Freund, mostly.

I know some folk think he is a nasty piece of work and I snake-in-the-grass - I have no way of knowing if this is true. And he didn't win his first game - which of our recent managers have and which haven't won their first game? And it is true that he has no experience.

I'm not interested in his eligibility for sanctification, I'm interested in whether he has the ability to be a successful manager and, thereby, make us a successful club.

What I do know is that anyone who took the time to understand what his jobs have been at the club would see that he has been part of what looks like a very decent youth set-up.

Maybe he wanted to go at the Spammers due to our defensive situation - attack being the best form of defence. Maybe he was resting some of the more important squad members for Sunday - and sin't that what a substantial % of members on this site wanted from AVB? I wouldn't read too much from his selection or formation for that game - he was responsible for the implementation across our youth set-up other formations than 4-4-2, and, well, there have been plenty on here calling for us to be less cautious at home.

It is true that he has no experience - but unlike the John Barnes's of this world, he hasn't suddenly turned up with his kit-bag and coaching 1-0-1. He knows the club inside out. He knows the youth set-up and personnel intimately. He knows and, apparently, gets on with Desperate-Dan.

He might be cack, and if he is then, by his own words, he is likely to be off and the Sherwood-haters can breath a sigh of relief. And if he is a success then I am with MattySpurs - I don't give a flying fahook what anyone thinks of him as a person

N.B. If he flops he is a Gooner ****

 

[Metalhead]

I think from what I am reading most people who don't want him near the club are saying it is a combination of his personality (someone mentioned him abusing a woman in a nightclub and setting his friends on a guy); some question his lack of management and tactical experience (citing the way we set up in the West Ham game, the substitutions he made and how he reacted after they equalised). I don't think I can judge him out on the one game and he doesn't have a fully fit squad to work with at the moment.

Positives for Tim - His interviews are refreshingly honest and his knowledge of the youth team setup and the players coming through the system are a strength. He wants to give the youth players a chance. He understands the game being an ex-pro and the pressures put on players. He understands what Spurs should be, the history of the club, the fans, how important it is to play a certain way and how we crave success. I'm willing to give him a chance for the time being.

I'd give him until January, see how we are going and in the meantime draw up a list of attributes that the next manager must have in terms of communication skills, coaching ability, man management skills, tactical knowledge of the game - both in terms of the Premiership (which I think is unique) and for playing in Europe (which requires a different mindset). Then rank candidates against each and the best man wins.

That is totally reasonable. If the list of candidates was limited in January (so far it seems like Queiroz, Hoddle and obviously Sherwood are the only interested parties, would you think it's reasonable to wait until the summer?

 

[Hoddtastic72]

Give Tim Sherwood a chance. He did well to make the lacklustre Adebayor play hard, and generally the team was more progressive and seemed like they 'care'.

He's a Spurs man and knows the Spurs philosophy, but his inexperience may be the problem. But if we don't give him few games we will never know if he's a gem or not.

Also, a lot of it is down to the players. They need the desire to play, and be more positive and stop passing backwards and hope another player carry the team forward. I say this because, Bale mentioned,

"At Tottenham I was always trying to get onto the ball and make everything tick, whereas here everybody's doing that, there are world-class players all around the pitch and you're able to concentrate just on your game rather than bringing the whole team forward, and I'm enjoying that."

Source: http://www.itv.com/sport/football/a...r-gareth-bale-i-had-to-be-main-man-at-spurs/?
​

As you can see from Bale's quote, a lot of it is down to the players around him. Even when Bale was playing for us, our team looked uninterested. They lack the drive to win games, unlike Bale, who steps forward and ACTUALLY wants to win games for Spurs.

It's a shame because they're all so talented and I think AVB was made a scapegoat because of our players none-existent effort. Don't get me wrong, I think AVB didn't have the man-management skill to raise the players game. But there aren't many managers who can.

We need a manager that can make all our players take the initiative and have that 'fight' in them to win games. Like Dawson and Holtby, but two isn't enough, and you see lesser teams with more desire to win games than us.

Perhaps it's a lack of confidence, or even over-confident (think they can easily take 3 points from any team but in reality, it never happens).

I don't mind who manages us, as long as they can make our Spurs team play. Play with more than 60% effort.

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Maybe if we have players who are uninterested and don't really seem bothered we might consider whether they should stay at the club, or if we would be better off getting different players in who are going to give a decent effort.

Having seen the interview with Tim Sherwood today and read the other interview in this thread, i'm warming a lot more toward him. I like his straight talking style and I imagine the players would respond well to this also. I think for the time TS needs to just focus on getting a win, whichever way he can. Personally at the moment I'm not worried about us playing attractive football, we just need to get the win, restore some confidence and build from there. We do have some very winnable games coming up, if we can win the majority of those, we will still be in the fight. We have a very strong squad overall which will come good...I think!

 

[Samson]

Some fans still can't get their head around the financial disparity between us and Chelsea, City and Man Utd. Let alone Liverpool and Arsenal. As you say expectations.

ENIC have had ten years and were in before Abramovich and Mansour. They have invested 3.5 million a season. Liverpool's new owners have shown the desire to win. Levy and Lewis have shown the desire for a free lunch.

 

[Legend10]

ENIC have had ten years and were in before Abramovich and Mansour. They have invested 3.5 million a season. Liverpool's new owners have shown the desire to win. Levy and Lewis have shown the desire for a free lunch.

Are you financially comparing Enic with Abramovich & Mansour?