The Daily ITK Discussion thread 11th June 2012

[hoodlum]

Might be able to nip a Europa spot.

The VDV downgrade would be big initially, but who knows, maybe that would be offset by having two strikers like Adebayor and Remy in the fold?

Friedel

Baines (Naughton)
Vertonghen (King)
Kaboul (Gallas)
Walker (Naughton)

Parker (Livermore)
Sandro (Huddlestone)

Bale (cover winger bought)
Pienaar (Eriksen/Kovacic)
Remy (Lennon)

Adebayor (Remy)

That 4231 would have to rely on Sandro (or Hudd) being more the box-to-box guy. At points last season Sandro did show some ability there, but that could be a stretch for a whole season.

Not sure that team has the strength to grab a top-4 spot again unless there's special signing, as of yet unidentified, to go along with it.

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

involving latin based languages....in england, he poo!

He's the second (after Ramsey) most successful England manager since the war. He also had one of the worst ever generations of players to work with.

In relation to Moyes, i can see why some people want him and some don't. Everyone wondered how he will do at a club with more available funds and until he does that we will never know. Should we be the ones to try him? Maybe

Can he stick to the Spurs traditions of good football though?

"It's about doing things in style, with a flourish, about going out and beating the other lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom"

The whole ethos of our club is opposed to Moyes' dour style. He'd obviously be an improvement on Redknapp, but I would be quite unhappy with that appointment.

Why would we want to give a steady mid-table manager a shot at the big time, when there are proven winners out there like van Gaal and Capello whocouldturn us into serious title contenders. Guess the appointment will say a lot about our ambitions.

 

[jushin3]

Redknapp had half the resume Moyes did when he turned up at WHL, so you never know what could happen if Moyes was given the reigns.

 

[mattyspurs]

Moyes replacing Harry means upper mid table. We would most likely fade off into obscurity after challenging the richest clubs like Everton did. Mind you we would certainly have some great patches in seasons just to keep the fans interested.

Harsh

Look, i'm not saying that Moyes was/is my first choice. But who would have thought that Harry would have got us to CL football. Not me, he has had me eating humble pie for the last few years now, I didn't think that Harry would get us anywhere near where I wanted us to be.

So if you look at where Moyes is now in managment terms, compared to where Harry was in management terms when we appointed him, then Moyes is further ahead of Harry, having had less money to spend at Everton than Harry did at pompey.

It just puts another side to things to hopefully make people think abit more.

 

[midoNdefoe]

The point I was making (and its a pretty fucking simple point to understand, at least thats what I thought) is that managing a national team is entirely different to managing at club level.

When managing England you manage a bunch of players from England, who speak English.
When managing at club level you manage players from various countries around the world who will speak a variety of languages as well as (hopefully) English. Somehow I can't imagine Luka, Charlie, and Niko sitting together over lunch having a chat in English.

Comprende ??

Okay....It seems you are reading this and doing your best impression of the second coming of "The 'Tard".

What language do you think Fabio Capello would give his team talks in?

What language do you think the squad communicate in (when not having a lunch with thier best friend who happens to be from the same foreign country)?

What was the main stumbling block for Capello which held him back from success as England manager (as confirmed by many members of the england squad)?
-dont worry, the last one is rhetorical - here's the answer:

The language barrier is what stopped Capello being able to communicate to the players his multiple league title/european title winning, genius tactics....

Yeah?
Yeah!

 

[Evs79]

I think Moyes would do a good job and piemaar could play modric role for a bit too under Moyes... Can't see any players saying they'd leave cos they gotta work harder... It's that work ethic that's won man utd so much..

QUALITY + WORK RATE= SUCCESS

 

[dellybelly]

I've never really been convinced by the Moyes to Man U talk. Too much of a leap in my opinion. .

Not quite as big as the leap from Aberdeen to ManU.

 

[felmani26]

He's the second (after Ramsey) most successful England manager since the war. He also had one of the worst ever generations of players to work with.




"It's about doing things in style, with a flourish, about going out and beating the other lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom"

The whole ethos of our club is opposed to Moyes' dour style. He'd obviously be an improvement on Redknapp, but I would be quite unhappy with that appointment.

Why would we want to give a steady mid-table manager a shot at the big time, when there are proven winners out there like van Gaal and Capello whocouldturn us into serious title contenders. Guess the appointment will say a lot about our ambitions.

If you watched Everton last year you'll see they are far from dour - they are nothing like the Stokes of this world so I think you do Moyes a dis-service there Dan.

 

[Indisguise]

Not quite as big as the leap from Aberdeen to ManU.

Hard to argue with that, although Ferguson is Ferguson and Moyes is Moyes...

 

[Muller2]

Personally I'd like Moyes. He plays defensive football at Everton as its there strength. They can't afford or attract decent attacking players so he has realised this and done the best he could with basically no money.

If he came to us I think that would change as he would have players that could attack. But I would expect us to also concede less silly goals. He does seem to have an eye for a bargain.

Also I think we need to consider that harry is 65. He isn't going to be around in club management forever. Building a team under a younger manager would I imagine be appealing to Levy.

 

[kungfugrip]

He's the second (after Ramsey) most successful England manager since the war. He also had one of the worst ever generations of players to work with.




"It's about doing things in style, with a flourish, about going out and beating the other lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom"

The whole ethos of our club is opposed to Moyes' dour style. He'd obviously be an improvement on Redknapp, but I would be quite unhappy with that appointment.

Why would we want to give a steady mid-table manager a shot at the big time, when there are proven winners out there like van Gaal and Capello whocouldturn us into serious title contenders. Guess the appointment will say a lot about our ambitions.

But would van Gaal or Capello stick around for five years, because we're going to need stability. Moyes would bring that. As for playing 'the Spurs way', I'm afraid that's only won us 2 league titles in 130 years. Whisper it....it appears the Spurs way doesn't work.

 

[kdspur]

when the big clubs have finished signing players for their pre season preparations im sure we will start to scout players then!!!!!! roll on the end of augest

 

[midoNdefoe]

He's the second (after Ramsey) most successful England manager since the war. He also had one of the worst ever generations of players to work with.




"It's about doing things in style, with a flourish, about going out and beating the other lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom"

The whole ethos of our club is opposed to Moyes' dour style. He'd obviously be an improvement on Redknapp, but I would be quite unhappy with that appointment.

Why would we want to give a steady mid-table manager a shot at the big time, when there are proven winners out there like van Gaal and Capello whocouldturn us into serious title contenders. Guess the appointment will say a lot about our ambitions.

Which equated to the ground-breaking results in SA-2010...

Poorest generation of players? oh dan, i would bother, but your love for Ramos and AVB and incessant berating of Redknapp have lead me to believe you are a plank, when judging players/managers abilities....

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

Huge change in culture from Redknapp to Moyes for the players. Those who don't like to do too much tactical shape work in training and prefer just being told to 'run abaaaht and express yourselves', and don't welcome strict discipline might want to pack their bags.

That will be the case with pretty much any new manager.

Chips, ketchup and tika taka will be our. Tactics, dietitians and training drills will be in.

 

[orkneyspur]

At last, after 48 hours of pussing footing around' The Banning Order', we've got something to think about. If H does go, look at the savings in backroom staff alone. We've got about 5 or 6 coaches plus a chauffeur that will come off the paylist.

 

[robin09]

A retraction (sort of) from the goat then and maybe potential kudos to due Adie as well. Personally I'd take Moyes at the expense of current players as he's a long term man to build for the future, he's been the man for me from the day the England speculation started so on the back of the goat's ITK worcestersauce will mostly be wearing his optimistic hat.
I'm not anti Harry as people know but in all walks of life once you have moved on mentally, and he had, you can't go back.

Unless he's fired for failing miserably to achieve what is expected, and we end up, say, 4th?

 

[andyp8080]

With JJ refering to turmoil at the club i get the feeling there is stuff to sort out before we start approaching other managers

 

[Montasura]

Okay....It seems you are reading this and doing your best impression of the second coming of "The 'Tard".

As much as I'd love to debate whether Capello could be effective or not, I just can't get past you're suggesting that I'm a retard. Bang out of order and just offensive....especially when your intended target has a disabled child.

 

[Scott Spur]

My worry with Moyes is that he could be only used to managing a certain calibre of player, ones who have relatively normal ego's. There are a lot of managers from the lower leagues that make it to the Prem and can't handle the superstars properly, probably because they demand (and gained success from) a real 'work ethic', something that is alien to a lot of the flair players.

 

[danielneeds]

Only Spurs could go from our joint highest league finish in the last 20 years to a club in turmoil in a matter of weeks. This shit is just depressing me, might just check out of this place and come back for the start of the season. Que Sera Sera.