The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 13 July 2011

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Gyan was on the ballon dor shortlist. Check out the company he shared

He is seriously not an upgrade on Pav. He looks a world beater in spells but so does Pav. I think there is a reason he has failed in both the french and italian leagues.

 

[bouncebackability]

You know when you have more money the sense when you exchange money at the airport!

Marks and Spencer or the post office but the airport? Crazy rates.

Is that ITK?

 

[ajspurs]

This is where our problem lies, who can we attract to come to Spurs that can fire us to the champions league. We don't pay massive wages and in the eyes of most of europe we are not high profile enough

I don't really know, but then again it's not my job to know :wink:

All I have are my opinions which are if we don't spend reasonably big I certainly think we'll fall behind which we can't afford if we want to keep the likes of Bale and Modric.

 

[beats1]

You know when you have more money the sense when you exchange money at the airport!

Marks and Spencer or the post office but the airport? Crazy rates.

It's not like he needs the extra money:wink:

 

[Oshi]

Gyan is quite literally the African Pav.

 

[Legacy]

The problem is our targets are all wrong.

The problem seems to be our research into our targets.

We were desperate for a striker in January. A desperation that only grew between February and May when our strikers continued to not score many goals.

We had four months where we could've drawn up a list of targets, scouted them in detail, sounded out the clubs they play for and start striking unrealistic or overly expensive options off the list.

So when we got around to July 1st, we'd have a choice of three or four players who the scouts have given positive reports on, whose clubs won't be expecting astronomical fees and the player has given an indication of his willingness to join.

Then it'd just be down to Levy and Redknapp to decide which option(s) they think represent the best value for money/best fit for the team.

We should've already had offers accepted for at least two players by now.

 

[DoublePivot]

Gyan was on the ballon dor shortlist. Check out the company he shared

A short list of 55 players, heavily influenced by the World Cup, because when it came out he had scored 2 goals for Sunderland. :roll:

But sure, let's spend 20+ million pounds on him. Because he was on a list.

You people are aware that Bruce wants a "wonder bid" for him.

 

[talkshowhost86]

A short list of 55 players, heavily influenced by the World Cup, because when it came out he had scored 2 goals for Sunderland. :roll:

But sure, let's spend 20+ million pounds on him. Because he was on a list.

You people are aware that Bruce wants a "wonder bid" for him.

That'll be the problem with someone like Gyan or Rodallega. We'd have to pay more than we would for a similar player from a league outside of England.

 

[duffster]

Gyan is quite literally the African Pav.

He is the anti-pav. where Pav is weak, slow & lazy, Gyan is powerful, fast and energetic.

He couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo mind.

 

[beats1]

A short list of 55 players, heavily influenced by the World Cup, because when it came out he had scored 2 goals for Sunderland. :roll:

But sure, let's spend 20+ million pounds on him. Because he was on a list.

You people are aware that Bruce wants a "wonder bid" for him.

Offer them Crouch or defoe or both with cash coming our way

That'll be the problem with someone like Gyan or Rodallega. We'd have to pay more than we would for a similar player from a league outside of England.

I agree, but they are PL proven

 

[Sandro30]

I will cry if Gyan is our main signing, he is absolute pony and will be another Bent. No technical ability, all just power + pace.

 

[talkshowhost86]

I will cry if Gyan is our main signing, he is absolute pony and will be another Bent. No technical ability, all just power + pace.

If we'd had someone with power and pace upfront last season I reckon we'd have finished in the top 4.

Like I said I don't think Gyan is the player we all want (including me) and there are better out there. But we could do alot worse. If we only sign Gyan I'll be disappointed, but we'll at least have improved slightly.

 

[Spurger King]

Gyan looks a little bit like cyan, which is blue. He also did well in the world cup, which is a tournament mostly won by Brazil...who wear yellow.

 

[walworthyid]

Gyan will not score more goals than Pav. He may be faster, stronger and more dynamic but he is not a better scorer of goals.

If we are to spend it needs to be on top quality, not on players that are not really any better than what we have.

He would give us a bit more up top, but he is not a specilist back to goal player.

 

[sunnydelight786]

Yet more MOTD scouting I see reference our strikers again.....

 

[Sandro30]

If we'd had someone with power and pace upfront last season I reckon we'd have finished in the top 4.

Like I said I don't think Gyan is the player we all want (including me) and there are better out there. But we could do alot worse. If we only sign Gyan I'll be disappointed, but we'll at least have improved slightly.

I see where your coming from, but im from the camp that if you can't dramatically improve then it isn't worth it. I would put Gyan in the same category as Pav and JD of top 8 striker, I want a top 4 striker or potential and if we can't get that then i'd rather stick than just buy someone for the sake of it.

 

[talkshowhost86]

I see where your coming from, but im from the camp that if you can't dramatically improve then it isn't worth it. I would put Gyan in the same category as Pav and JD of top 8 striker, I want a top 4 striker or potential and if we can't get that then i'd rather stick than just buy someone for the sake of it.

I agree definitely. But I think if we get towards the end of the window and we can't attract the big names then it's worth making a step up to someone like Gyan rather than sticking with Pav and Defoe.

I hope Gyan isn't our main target, but he certainly isn't as poor as some people are making out on here.

 

[worcestersauce]

The problem seems to be our research into our targets.

We were desperate for a striker in January. A desperation that only grew between February and May when our strikers continued to not score many goals.

We had four months where we could've drawn up a list of targets, scouted them in detail, sounded out the clubs they play for and start striking unrealistic or overly expensive options off the list.

So when we got around to July 1st, we'd have a choice of three or four players who the scouts have given positive reports on, whose clubs won't be expecting astronomical fees and the player has given an indication of his willingness to join.

Then it'd just be down to Levy and Redknapp to decide which option(s) they think represent the best value for money/best fit for the team.

We should've already had offers accepted for at least two players by now.

I'm sure we have done all of this but having identified the targets we want if we approach them and they are reluctant to come early in the window should we then work our way down to inferior targets at some stage passing below the quality of our existing strikers?
The problem is that the good ones have other clubs interested and if they don't then they are hoping there will be other clubs interested in them and so they make us wait, that's the problem of our current situation, we are competing at the high end but we are a slightly peripheral club at that level which means we have to work very hard and it takes longer to do a deal.

 

[chrissivad]

I see where your coming from, but im from the camp that if you can't dramatically improve then it isn't worth it. I would put Gyan in the same category as Pav and JD of top 8 striker, I want a top 4 striker or potential and if we can't get that then i'd rather stick than just buy someone for the sake of it.

While Gyan might not be an improvement on quality, he (IMO) would fit our team much better than the strikers we have at the moment. So in a way it would be an improvement.

We all would love to sign top class players, but so does every fan of every other club. I just think some people think signing the likes of Rossi and Falcao is an easy thing to do

 

[DoublePivot]

While Gyan might not be an improvement on quality, he (IMO) would fit our team much better than the strikers we have at the moment. So in a way it would be an improvement.

We all would love to sign top class players, but so does every fan of every other club. I just think some people think signing the likes of Rossi and Falcao is an easy thing to do

I have always claimed that Rossi and Falcao are beyond us. That doesn't mean we spend 20-25 million on the likes of Gyan. It's not either/or. It's neither/nor. If we had a scouting staff maybe we could find a player. But I'm not stupid, we don't so we'll end up with Gyan and Diarreah. I think Modric has every right to want out. He was probably promised ambition and that means a gentleman's agreement was broken.

Depressing times.