The Daily ITK Discussion Thread 3rd July

[SpartanSpur]

I'm an American Spurs fan also and I'm increasingly angry when I read the "Pulisic would help sell shirts & help our US exposure". Honestly, you can watch every single Premier League game each week and fans have already picked their teams for the most part but thats not what upsets me so much. What upsets me is Pulisic is a major talent. He would not be some signing that satisfies sponsors or opens up markets, he would be a major addition on the pitch. He is incredibly hard working, has a dash of creativity and spark while dribbling that only Dele, Eriksen & Lucas have on the ball and is direct and aggressive in his attacks going forward. He works hard for the team and doesnt ignore his defensive responsibilities. He would be a great signing for footballing reasons.

Great post. I think a lot of people bring it up as a reason why the deal might happen though. You know Levy will be taking that into consideration.

I don't really think of Son like that now he's here and ripping it up on the pitch, but the commercial side probably played a part in his signing. Hopefully if Pulisic signs he is also a success.

 

[Dirty Ewok]

wonder what clauses "in our favor" means?

Knowing Levy we are probably asking Dortmund to give US money if he plays regularly for us.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

Finally. Air. We can breathe, now

 

[Bulletspur]

I'm an American Spurs fan also and I'm increasingly angry when I read the "Pulisic would help sell shirts & help our US exposure". Honestly, you can watch every single Premier League game each week and fans have already picked their teams for the most part but thats not what upsets me so much. What upsets me is Pulisic is a major talent. He would not be some signing that satisfies sponsors or opens up markets, he would be a major addition on the pitch. He is incredibly hard working, has a dash of creativity and spark while dribbling that only Dele, Eriksen & Lucas have on the ball and is direct and aggressive in his attacks going forward. He works hard for the team and doesnt ignore his defensive responsibilities. He would be a great signing for footballing reasons.

So you are upset because he is a major talent, Got it! In all seriousness, I believe we would be getting him for his playing prowess to improve the squad. Any commercial and exposure benefit gained, while it would be welcomed, would be purely incidental

 

[BuckeyeSpurs11]

So you are upset because he is a major talent, Got it!

Upset that the second we are linked to him, everybody points to commercial reasons to sign him rather than sporting.

 

[yankspurs]

I'm an American Spurs fan also and I'm increasingly angry when I read the "Pulisic would help sell shirts & help our US exposure". Honestly, you can watch every single Premier League game each week and fans have already picked their teams for the most part but thats not what upsets me so much. What upsets me is Pulisic is a major talent. He would not be some signing that satisfies sponsors or opens up markets, he would be a major addition on the pitch. He is incredibly hard working, has a dash of creativity and spark while dribbling that only Dele, Eriksen & Lucas have on the ball and is direct and aggressive in his attacks going forward. He works hard for the team and doesnt ignore his defensive responsibilities. He would be a great signing for footballing reasons.

Personally feel hes not ready for the Prem’s intensity just yet but I completely agree abou the market stuff. The large majority of the American market you could hope for has already picked a team. Its a miscalculation thinking youll get a shirt sald boost from it. Even sponsor wise, you might get extra exposure but i think the Amerian market is more mature than people realize. The actual game in this country is decidedly not but the market is. You want to increase your commercialization in America? Invest in the grassroots. Create some academies here that are fully inclusive and not exclusive. Thats how you’d do it now. Not by signing Americans.

 

[markiespurs]

Great post. I think a lot of people bring it up as a reason why the deal might happen though. You know Levy will be taking that into consideration.

I don't really think of Son like that now he's here and ripping it up on the pitch, but the commercial side probably played a part in his signing. Hopefully if Pulisic signs he is also a success.

Obviously footballing considerations come first, but it would be naive to think that commercial considerations don't come into play when signing players like Son and potentially Pulisic.

you only have to look at the increase in Koreans coming to Spurs games since we signed Son to see what commercial benefits signing a countries golden boy can bring.

 

[Spurrific]

Personally feel hes not ready for the Prem’s intensity just yet but I completely agree abou the market stuff. The large majority of the American market you could hope for has already picked a team. Its a miscalculation thinking youll get a shirt sald boost from it.

Depends if he becomes a megastar imo. I’m no expert but I’ve seen a tonne of people jumping ship to the Lakers, following LeBron - obviously he’ll almost definitely never get to that level, but could see at least 5/6 people jumping over to full time coysers.

You Americans have no loyalty. *

*I’m still salty at the war of independence

 

[robertgoulet]

wonder what clauses "in our favor" means?

Knowing Levy we are probably asking Dortmund to give US money if he plays regularly for us.

I mentioned earlier, but I swear that there was talk about a reasonable release clause for a certain few English clubs.

 

[jt hotspur]

I'm an American Spurs fan also and I'm increasingly angry when I read the "Pulisic would help sell shirts & help our US exposure". Honestly, you can watch every single Premier League game each week and fans have already picked their teams for the most part but thats not what upsets me so much. What upsets me is Pulisic is a major talent. He would not be some signing that satisfies sponsors or opens up markets, he would be a major addition on the pitch. He is incredibly hard working, has a dash of creativity and spark while dribbling that only Dele, Eriksen & Lucas have on the ball and is direct and aggressive in his attacks going forward. He works hard for the team and doesnt ignore his defensive responsibilities. He would be a great signing for footballing reasons.

Mate i try to ignore the bookeeping supporters. They dream of running the club while others dream of playing the game

 

[BuckeyeSpurs11]

Personally feel hes not ready for the Prem’s intensity just yet but I completely agree abou the market stuff. The large majority of the American market you could hope for has already picked a team. Its a miscalculation thinking youll get a shirt sald boost from it.

if anything - more American Spurs fans will buy shirts because of him. Ha. I think the Prem intensity is exactly what he needs to take the next step in his development. He has done well at Dortmund both domestically & in European competitions and had glimpses of brilliance. A club like ours w/ a manager like Poch and the setup around him to coach him for that next step in my opinion will do him very well in the long run.

 

[Japhet]

Time for Levy to skim a few million off the offers for Grealish and Martial.

 

[robertgoulet]

Personally feel hes not ready for the Prem’s intensity just yet but I completely agree abou the market stuff. The large majority of the American market you could hope for has already picked a team. Its a miscalculation thinking youll get a shirt sald boost from it. Even sponsor wise, you might get extra exposure but i think the Amerian market is more mature than people realize. The actual game in this country is decidedly not but the market is.

He may not be ready yet, but he's still only 19 and we aren't in a position to pay for someone who has fully realized their potential. He's the type of player we are usually after (see: Malcom, Grealish, Dele).

 

[TheAmerican]

Wonder if that means a straight up release clause.

He signed a monster deal with Nike as they are aching for a US player to flourish. I could see him having clauses related to moving to a Nike team, as it would be a good marketing deal for him and Nike

 

[lazypoodle]

Personally feel hes not ready for the Prem’s intensity just yet but I completely agree abou the market stuff. The large majority of the American market you could hope for has already picked a team. Its a miscalculation thinking youll get a shirt sald boost from it. Even sponsor wise, you might get extra exposure but i think the Amerian market is more mature than people realize. The actual game in this country is decidedly not but the market is. You want to increase your commercialization in America? Invest in the grassroots. Create some academies here that are fully inclusive and not exclusive. Thats how you’d do it now. Not by signing Americans.

I disagree. You know who hasn't picked a team? My son. His friends. Pulisic is 19, he can be around for a very long time. If you hold a player like that for a decade, the long term market impact for the club can be a monster.

 

[rez9000]

I'm an American Spurs fan also and I'm increasingly angry when I read the "Pulisic would help sell shirts & help our US exposure". Honestly, you can watch every single Premier League game each week and fans have already picked their teams for the most part but thats not what upsets me so much. What upsets me is Pulisic is a major talent. He would not be some signing that satisfies sponsors or opens up markets, he would be a major addition on the pitch. He is incredibly hard working, has a dash of creativity and spark while dribbling that only Dele, Eriksen & Lucas have on the ball and is direct and aggressive in his attacks going forward. He works hard for the team and doesnt ignore his defensive responsibilities. He would be a great signing for footballing reasons.

Personally feel hes not ready for the Prem’s intensity just yet but I completely agree abou the market stuff. The large majority of the American market you could hope for has already picked a team. Its a miscalculation thinking youll get a shirt sald boost from it. Even sponsor wise, you might get extra exposure but i think the Amerian market is more mature than people realize. The actual game in this country is decidedly not but the market is. You want to increase your commercialization in America? Invest in the grassroots. Create some academies here that are fully inclusive and not exclusive. Thats how you’d do it now. Not by signing Americans.

This argument presupposes that the 'American market' is fixed and static. The fact is that this market is still growing. Plus new fans 'enter' all the time, as is true of every football market. Therefore the idea that the signing of a high profile American player will have no impact on commercial considerations because there is no market to exploit is illogical.

It's been stated the way that transfers work at Spurs is that Poch has the final yes or no. Therefore, if we do sign Pulisic, it will be because Poch wants him for footballing reasons. That there are concomitant commercial advantages as well is not something to bemoan. The two things are not mutually exclusive.

 

[BuckeyeSpurs11]

This argument presupposes that the 'American market' is fixed and static. The fact is that this market is still growing. Plus new fans 'enter' all the time, as is true of every football market. Therefore the idea that the signing of a high profile American player will have no impact on commercial considerations because there is no market to exploit is illogical.

It's been stated the way that transfers work at Spurs is that Poch has the final yes or no. Therefore, if we do sign Pulisic, it will be because Poch wants him for footballing reasons. That there are concomitant commercial advantages as well is not something to bemoan. The two things are not mutually exclusive.

agreed - im speaking about on here specifically when Pulisic is mentioned, people can't run fast enough to be first to say - this is a commercial signing rather than looking at how good this guy actually is.

 

[Lighty64]

WE HAVE ITK!

Who: The Goat
When: 5th July
Where: SC

The Goat hears that we're preparing a formal bid and that he has some contract clauses that are in our favour.

EDIT: This is about Pulisic btw. Thanks @Hotspur1978

thank God for that, whoops sorry "thank Goat for that". never seen this place so quiet, @Archibald&Crooks must of really sharpened those diamonds on his dildo stick

Pulsic was one of the few that looked impressive against us in the CL last season.

 

[Spursmatty87]

Real sign players all the time for commercial benefit. Why would anyone get upset if we did the same.

 

[Lou3000]

I'm an American Spurs fan also and I'm increasingly angry when I read the "Pulisic would help sell shirts & help our US exposure". Honestly, you can watch every single Premier League game each week and fans have already picked their teams for the most part but thats not what upsets me so much. What upsets me is Pulisic is a major talent. He would not be some signing that satisfies sponsors or opens up markets, he would be a major addition on the pitch. He is incredibly hard working, has a dash of creativity and spark while dribbling that only Dele, Eriksen & Lucas have on the ball and is direct and aggressive in his attacks going forward. He works hard for the team and doesnt ignore his defensive responsibilities. He would be a great signing for footballing reasons.

"Fans have already picked their teams."

I think you're thinking of an older demographic. For kids in America (I have two football obsessed ones myself), they're buying kits based on the player. It's a truly American nuance that "jersey" sales tend to follow players more than clubs. In the first 3 hours of Lebron signing with the Lakers, sales of Lakers jerseys spiked 600 percent.

No one is ignoring his talent. We wouldn't be buying him if he were totally untalented, but I'm at youth soccer fields every weekend and you don't see Ronaldo and Messi jerseys because the kids were already Real or Barca fans.