The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 3rd June 2013

[Mr Pink]

What would people guess is Levy's golden number for selling Bale?

I would say 80 million plus.

 

[talkshowhost86]

I suspect all this talk about 85m for Bale is a moot point.

I don't think Real will offer that much and I don't think Bale wants to go out there at the moment.

FWIW I'd take £85 million for him if we got the majority of that money upfront. That's the sort of money that we could use to really grow the club going forwards to put us in a position where we don't have to sell our top talent going forwards.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

What would people guess is Levy's golden number for selling Bale?

£45m

 

[Hoopspur]

Realistically if we sold Bale for £85M who could be brought in to replace him?

Even if Bale were to be sold for that sort of price we couldn't afford to spend all of it on players. We could of course squeeze 2 or 3 good players but with big players come big wage expectations. I'd expect to spend no more than half of it on direct replacements over and above what we are already planning on doing.

 

[felmani26]

I suspect all this talk about 85m for Bale is a moot point.

I don't think Real will offer that much and I don't think Bale wants to go out there at the moment.

FWIW I'd take £85 million for him if we got the majority of that money upfront. That's the sort of money that we could use to really grow the club going forwards to put us in a position where we don't have to sell our top talent going forwards.

Our business model is such that we will always be cherry picked eventually for our top talent but with the intention of having a strong conveyor belt of talent coming through.

 

[kungfugrip]

You reckon? I don't see what he could do after immediately walking through the door? Doesn't it take months of 'behind closed doors' discussions, for the manager, chairman & DOF to come up with a plan to execute, what players to bring in, what players to move out etc etc?

Think when Frank Arneson arrived in Summer 2004 we signed about 12 players that window (remember Mendes, Davis, Robinson, Carrick, Naybet, Edman, Atouba, Pamarot etc. and probably sold quite a few as well. If their contacts are good and they are good at their job then it's possible to get things moving quickly.

 

[Spursidol]

Anyone who would begrudge Levy selling Bale for 85 million would be absolutely insane. As a chairman he has to weigh up so many factors. I personally believe Bale will continue you to improve but it could be argued quite easily that his stock will never be this high again.

IF that sort of bid came in and was accepted, I would be upset to see him go but excited at the same time. The thing that would make me lose all faith is if AVB wasn't given basically all of the money for HIM to reinvest.

Aside from the points you make, Levy also has to balance up the effect of selling Bale on the ability to get a stadium naming rights sponsor - and we know that the stadium is Danny's main priority. If you are trying to get a sponsorship of say £15m for 20 years (£300m) it maybe that selling Bale means the sponsor will not get the marketing exposure he wants so the sponsorship doesn't happen.

So £85m in but £300m doesn't happen. Think Levy may run the risk that Bale's stock is at its high point - and that's the reason Levy won't sell Bale this summer.

 

[not_tenth-again]

That was then... this is now. For years now he has failed to take the club to the next level by failing to bring in the players we need. And he's made so many enemies and created so much bad blood...
I say Levy's best years are behind him. Time for a change

I sure hope you aren't precious about your post ratings....

I get your point about bad blood though... Id hesitate in taking his calls if I was a self respecting chairman. IMHO we need a DOF to be the transfer face of Spurs sharp-ish.

 

[Blackrat1299]

I must have missed it but I don't remember any ITK on Paulinho this "window" so far.
Front two of Damiao & Paulinho should be worth a look should it not.

I doubt it, Paulinho, is defensive midfielder/central midfielder.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Think when Frank Arneson arrived in Summer 2004 we signed about 12 players that window (remember Mendes, Davis, Robinson, Carrick, Naybet, Edman, Atouba, Pamarot etc. and probably sold quite a few as well. If their contacts are good and they are good at their job then it's possible to get things moving quickly.

True but we're a whole different beast these days. I like the idea of AVB getting what he wants (a DOF/Technical Director), I was just looking for a few answers as to how people think one would be able to help us this summer. So thanks toy you & the others who have responded thus far

 

[robin09]

Realistically if we sold Bale for £85M who could be brought in to replace him?

Madrid couldn't find someone of equivalent ability to Bale, with that money, so why do we think we can?

We'd end up spending some of the cash on several players, and the rest would go towards the stadium, probably.

Whether it would be a net gain, could only be decided a year or so down the line.

But I hate the message it sends. Once again, we'd be selling the best player in our squad, instead of building around him. I'd rather reject any offer, and keep him for another year. If we miss out on CL again, or even if we're in it, if he wants to go, fine. I don't see how his value can decrease.

 

[Mr Pink]

£45m

aye 45 million upfront...

 

[jazz15c]

But I hate the message it sends. Once again, we'd be selling the best player in our squad, instead of building around him. I'd rather reject any offer, and keep him for another year. If we miss out on CL again, or even if we're in it, if he wants to go, fine. I don't see how his value can decrease.

If there was a 'love' setting, I would've been all over this

 

[WiganSpur]

Of course Levy should take £85m in the unlikely event it was offered but I recognise that all of it couldn't be reinvested. £30m, although unpopular with the fans, could go towards softening the financial blow of the stadium. I'd love for the rest to be spent on Bernard/Lamela, Hernanes and Leandro or Soldado. The rest of the sales money could be spent on a LB, young CM and another forward, possibly Villa if doable. With those signings we'd still be very competitive.

 

[kungfugrip]

True but we're a whole different beast these days. I like the idea of AVB getting what he wants (a DOF/Technical Director), I was just looking for a few answers as to how people think one would be able to help us this summer. So thanks toy you & the others who have responded thus far

Yep, and of course, we don't want to sign that many players as we have a settled squad!!! Back in 2004 it was wholesle changes time. Now it's just a bit of tinkering I think.

 

[mpickard2087]

Anything north of £50m and Levy will seriously consider it in my opinion.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

Not sure but it was rumoured he spent a lot of his time between us and leaving Chelsea on a scouting mission in Brazil.

Also he was strongly linked to the Sao Paulo job before he came to us, which shows he's highly regarded in Brazil.

 

[dagraham]

Where are these mythical world class players worth a combined £85m? You know, the ones who would join a team not currently in the CL and who have sold one of the top players in the world, thereby reducing their chances of getting there.

Yes £85m is silly money and you could understand Levy accepting it but to think we will just go out and sign 3 or 4 top class players with it straight away is very optimistic. We have no CL, don't pay crazy wages, so selling our best player is losing one of the only tempters we've got left.

Selling Bale would be a disaster and set us back years.

 

[bugsdad]

I suspect all this talk about 85m for Bale is a moot point.

I don't think Real will offer that much and I don't think Bale wants to go out there at the moment.

FWIW I'd take £85 million for him if we got the majority of that money upfront. That's the sort of money that we could use to really grow the club going forwards to put us in a position where we don't have to sell our top talent going forwards.

Agree at the moment £85 million is all paper talk. The likelyhood of that being put on the table and them buying Suarez for £40 million is remote. The Spanish economy is nose diving and there would me a massive outcry unless they manage to sell Ronaldo for a simlar amount.
If the bid is forethcoming at that level however it would be accepted, Levys main problem then would be to get Bale to move. His girlfriend wont even move to London with the baby so t see her moving to Madrid!If he were sold however,
We would then be in the wonderful cash position of having that money and the increased Tv money and the sale of the dross money to reivest at TSH says above. But my personal view is that not only will he stay this season but will not leave for another couple of seasons when him and his girlfriend are more mature and able to handle such a move. There is one big proviso however, we must spend money on top class players to assist him anf the club in being title challengers. There is nothing more likely to changer his mind about moving then playing with deadwood and knocking his pipe out each week and not getting results due to a lack of support.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

Think when Frank Arneson arrived in Summer 2004 we signed about 12 players that window (remember Mendes, Davis, Robinson, Carrick, Naybet, Edman, Atouba, Pamarot etc. and probably sold quite a few as well. If their contacts are good and they are good at their job then it's possible to get things moving quickly.

I'd rather take our time and sign quality TBH, I'd say Naybet and Carrick were quality, the rest were meh.