The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 6th January 2015

[Hoopspur]

Lower Prem teams will pay similar wages. Obviously they cant sign top players but someone of Naughton's calibre wouldn't be a problem. In fact they would probably have to offer him more than what he's currently earning to persuade him to leave Spurs and London. I know for a fact Livermore got a pay rise to join Hull.

I know you knew Jake, but Livermore came up through the ranks. Naughton was bought by Spurs. Not suggesting anything - just observing. What about Hudd?

Edit - so why wouldn't these nasty, greedy footballers want to move - all the fault of DL?

 

[prawnsandwich]

I would be happy with Berahino and Moreno in and Naughton and Lennon out. Ceballos wants out so that would reduce the squad.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

I would be happy with Berahino and Moreno in and Naughton and Lennon out. Ceballos wants out so that would reduce the squad.

A striker is imperative and subject to the fee, we should be going all out for Berahino or Ings. We may have 3 strikers on paper but take Kane out of the equation and we're left with Soldado who's as much use as an impotent porn star at the moment and Ade who's having a mental breakdown.

 

[EJWTartanSpur]

I know you new Jake, but Livermore came up through the ranks. Naughton was bought by Spurs. Not suggesting anything - just observing. What about Hudd?

Edit - so why wouldn't these nasty, greedy footballers want to move - all the fault of DL?

I seem to remember that Jake got a healthy pay bump triggered when he appeared for England, so he must have at least been on a reasonable wage ( 25-35K odd at a guess ? )

 

[brasil_spur]

Getting rid of players is not a problem! However getting rid of players for a sum of money that pleases Levy is where we have problems.

I'm sure many teams are interested in Naughton. Will anyone pay £5-7m? It will be difficult. The same goes with all our other players that are available for transfer. We all know Levy loves to haggle but sometimes he needs to accept a loss! It's impossible to break-even or make profit on every transfer.

This is the crux of the problem.

However one thing that might be slightly different this time round is that Poch seems perfectly happy to cut players out of the playing squad that he doesn't want and it seems Levy is backing him in this regard.

So from Levy's perspective, the longer players like Kaboul, Lennon, Capoue etc... are out of the playing squad the less money they will be worth.

At the moment it can be seen from the outside that these players and still in squad conention, but a further half season with no playing time will kill their current values completley.

 

[Zeb]

Bit of light entertainment if I may....

As sung by Daniel Levy - that song from Frozen...

"Let him go, let him go!
Can't hold it back any more.
Let him go, let him go!
Turn away and slam the door.
I don't care which club they're going to say.
Let the transfer storm rage on.
The deadline never bothered me anyway.

The spurs glow white on the rumours tonight,
but not a transfer to be seen.
A kingdom of isolation and it looks I'm the queen.
The fans are howling like a swirling storm outside.
Couldn't keep it out, Heaven knows I tried.
Don't let them in, don't let them see.
My secret list of required fees.
Conceal, don't feel, don't let them know.
Well, now they know!

Let him go, let him go!
I am one with Jim White on sky.
Let him go, let him go!
You'll hear the spurs fans cry.
Here I'll stand, and here I'll stay.
Let the transfer storm rage on.
The deadline never bothered me anyway.

Pochetino's hopes fly through the air into the ground.
Baldini is spiraling in frozen fractals all around
And one thought crystallizes like an icy blast
Defoe's never coming back; the past is in the past!

Let him go, let him go!
Crank that Fax machine til dawn.
Let him go, let him go!
That transfer deadline is gone.
Here I stand, in the light of day.
Let the shit storm rage on.
The Fans never bothered me anyway."

Hoping that gets a chuckle rather than a trip to A&C's dungeon......

 

[allatsea]

Seems like those ITKs that have spoken are all saying the same thing. Players must go before new ones can arrive.

 

[spursfan77]

Getting rid of players is not a problem! However getting rid of players for a sum of money that pleases Levy is where we have problems.

I'm sure many teams are interested in Naughton. Will anyone pay £5-7m? It will be difficult. The same goes with all our other players that are available for transfer. We all know Levy loves to haggle but sometimes he needs to accept a loss! It's impossible to break-even or make profit on every transfer.

But breezer, levy hasn't learnt that over the last 20 odd transfer windows. It's not going to change I'm afraid. Sure I can understand getting a good deal but getting the best deal isn't always the one that saves the most money. He loves player trading though so we are just lumbered with this approach I'm afraid.

 

[JaySpur]

Seems like those ITKs that have spoken are all saying the same thing. Players must go before new ones can arrive.

It's what we all knew, or at least should have expected, to be fair. After all the money spent over the last two seasons and the number of players now on decent wages it was always going to be a case of 1 out/1 in for a while.

I can't see us shifting either of our haphazard strikers this window, reagardless. I was hopeful [about Adebayor going on laon] when 'Arry was going on about needing a stiker but they've just taken Zarate from WH.

Hopefully two or three will go out on loan [we've heard about interst from Italy for a couple] and thoes moves will become permanent but unless the squad is seriously short lets focus on improving the team ethic with who we have now and promoting youth at the right stages.

Another 2 or 3 out early in the summer and we'll be in a better position to bring in the odd quality addition.

Get to work Mr Mitchell!!!

 

[shelfmonkey]

A striker is imperative and subject to the fee, we should be going all out for Berahino or Ings. We may have 3 strikers on paper but take Kane out of the equation and we're left with Soldado who's as much use as an impotent porn star at the moment and Ade who's having a mental breakdown.

Ings would be the one for me, but both would be great. As for Ade, he was born having a mental breakdown!!

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

I would be happy with Berahino and Moreno in and Naughton and Lennon out. Ceballos wants out so that would reduce the squad.

Ceballos is in the squad, but is he actually registered for any competitions? I don't get the sense that having Ceballos on the roster is impacting any incoming transfers...still free to leave though

 

[prawnsandwich]

Ceballos is in the squad, but is he actually registered for any competitions? I don't get the sense that having Ceballos on the roster is impacting any incoming transfers...still free to leave though

Ceballos is registered in the EPL squad as one of our 17 allowed non-homegrown players born before January 1, 1993.

 

[CowInAComa]

Getting rid of players is not a problem! However getting rid of players for a sum of money that pleases Levy is where we have problems.

I'm sure many teams are interested in Naughton. Will anyone pay £5-7m? It will be difficult. The same goes with all our other players that are available for transfer. We all know Levy loves to haggle but sometimes he needs to accept a loss! It's impossible to break-even or make profit on every transfer.

Its not even necessarily a loss if the other choice is paying a players wages for seasons at a time without them ever getting near the first team, whilst trying to hold out for a couple of extra million, whilst their value plummets. ie Gomes, DosSantos etc.

Money spent on naughton, capoue etc has already been accounted for a long time ago. We dont need to offset that. If we sell for a few million now + save 6 months of wages then thats a few million and 6 months of wages in the bank. Nothing less - itrs not a profit or a loss, its the redistrbution of material assets..

Sometimes Levy is just a dick when it comes to sales basically.

 

[brasil_spur]

Its not even necessarily a loss if the other choice is paying a players wages for seasons at a time without them ever getting near the first team, whilst trying to hold out for a couple of extra million, whilst their value plummets. ie Gomes, DosSantos etc.

Money spent on naughton, capoue etc has already been accounted for a long time ago. We dont need to offset that. If we sell for a few million now + save 6 months of wages then thats a few million and 6 months of wages in the bank. Nothing less - itrs not a profit or a loss, its the redistrbution of material assets..

Sometimes Levy is just a dick when it comes to sales basically.

I agree with this, it's very short sighted to think that a fringle player's value will do anything other than decrease over time. In this respect taking a couple of £m less now rather than losing value on the player plus wages in the meantime is very pointless.

 

[HappySpur]

both ali and jj had jibes at the press. But I think we are reading way to much into it to even discuss. They are basically stating the same things we would state. We can't forget that they are fans too and capable of the same love/hate relationship we all have with the press.

One thing of note is that both the press and the itk seem to agree that we are looking to shift first. Seems to be the one thing to trust. Any target by us or from us is only going to be correct if the right person was the source at the right time for the right club. Shouldn't stop anybody from enjoying this madness though. Just a cautionary note from somebody who has lost his shit over previous transfer windows and looked a fool for it.

 

[allatsea]

Its not even necessarily a loss if the other choice is paying a players wages for seasons at a time without them ever getting near the first team, whilst trying to hold out for a couple of extra million, whilst their value plummets. ie Gomes, DosSantos etc.

Money spent on naughton, capoue etc has already been accounted for a long time ago. We dont need to offset that. If we sell for a few million now + save 6 months of wages then thats a few million and 6 months of wages in the bank. Nothing less - itrs not a profit or a loss, its the redistrbution of material assets..

Sometimes Levy is just a dick when it comes to sales basically.

I thought players purchase price was discounted over the term of the contract so whilst Naughton may be in the books now for zero Capoue will not be.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

I thought players purchase price was discounted over the term of the contract so whilst Naughton may be in the books now for zero Capoue will not be.

This is correct. It's an interesting fact that the worth of the club's equity is far greater than reflected in annual reports, simply because there is no place to plot in "market value" of players. The market value of the total squad is always greater than the figure in annual reports, subsequently, the equity is as well.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

@225 please read the rules. We don't have Twitter in here.

 

[yido_number1]

Does anyone really think we shouldn't try and make money on our outgoing players? Just because Naughton isn't first choice for us doesn't mean he wouldn't be a good signing for at least 9 other teams in the league. Its obvious we need to seel before signing as we only have 25 squad places and a number of players in them. If we don't sign a striker i'm sure Ade will do his usual burst of effort at some point in the season when he tries to secure a new contract elsewhere or to get a new one with us. Soldado is unlikely to go anywhere. Our best hope was to Madrid (ATL) but they've just signed Torres till the end of the season.

I see this being a quiet window with maybe an out and no ins. If we even sign one player and sell one I would be very surprised

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

Does anyone really think we shouldn't try and make money on our outgoing players? Just because Naughton isn't first choice for us doesn't mean he wouldn't be a good signing for at least 9 other teams in the league. Its obvious we need to seel before signing as we only have 25 squad places and a number of players in them. If we don't sign a striker i'm sure Ade will do his usual burst of effort at some point in the season when he tries to secure a new contract elsewhere or to get a new one with us. Soldado is unlikely to go anywhere. Our best hope was to Madrid (ATL) but they've just signed Torres till the end of the season.

I see this being a quiet window with maybe an out and no ins. If we even sign one player and sell one I would be very surprised

Really depends on the opportunity cost imo. What are we giving up, by trying to make a bigger profit on sales (i.e. who could we bring in, if we were willing to move a player or two at a loss)?

I don't know the answer to that - but the question is far more complex than simply making a "profit" on a single transaction.