The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - The Day After
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brasil_spur
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Could be a good thing, back to playing 4-4-2 perhaps, although more likely that we'll see Piennar in midfield...
gibbospurs
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Please play 2 up top!!! Pav and the short guy..:bowdown:
Misfit
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Oh yes, I meant to say, Crouch is not one of the two.
felmonger
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So another window ends.
I would like to thank all ITK's for passing on their snippets (except 'potl' who should be removed to the games thread until he learns the meaning of the word 'communicate'). Thanks also to all contributors here who have entertained and informed me in this daily thread. And thanks to all who struggled to keep the good ship SC afloat even when it was grossly overloaded. Contribution follows.
I would like to thank all ITK's for passing on their snippets (except 'potl' who should be removed to the games thread until he learns the meaning of the word 'communicate'). Thanks also to all contributors here who have entertained and informed me in this daily thread. And thanks to all who struggled to keep the good ship SC afloat even when it was grossly overloaded. Contribution follows.
Zimmy
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I reckon Abramovich or one of the directors at Chelsea viewed it as a good bit of business, Ancelotti obviously didn't agree hence him saying he wasn't interested.
lifeof...
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lifeof...
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Here is my 2 pence worth.......
Reading the media today, with a fair amount of quotes from Harry, Does, to a degree, support a reasonable amount of the itk we received over this window. so :clap: to the ITK guys and SC (when i read itk, all i read is the name, and then add the words "we are looking at him" and ignore the comments regarding how strong the itk feels we are in for him, works for me)
I copied this bit only, as i think, as a debrief, after this window, the club does need to look at its transfer methods, its accountability, and how it can be improved.
It is now confirmed that during the transfer window we bid for, Rossi Llorente Aguero Forlan Carroll Suarez.(poss Fab as well, though cant find an actual quote) I highlight these, as i think it demonstrates that the club agrees with the supporters in the need to improve on our current strikers. Regardless of how we as an individual feels about "how much we should pay for player x" The Club was willing to spend approx 35mill on a young player (Rossi). This demonstrates we had the money, the intent, and the "willing to risk factor".
Not getting a striker, means they have failed in their objective. And it can only be looked at as a total failure. I am not into the "blame culture" But it is fair to expect that the Club, and i say the club, rather then individual/s names, as there are several pieces to the jigsaw that results in a player signed, (board, management team, scouts etc) TO BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR FAILURE. i do not mean to us fans, but within themselves.
We were "scrabbling around" using a "scatter gun" approach, are a couple of often repeated comments...another way of saying this, is re-active, should we not be pro-active?
Buying a player is not unlike "head hunting" something i have been on both sides of the coin of, when you head hunt, you "'court" them, you entice them, you "sell" the dream. Now whilst this cannot be done overtly, (prem rules) it is impossible to believe that players don't talk, agents don't talk, And as far as i am aware, clubs can only not approach the player, with out consent, they can however talk to said players agent, even if it is covertly.
IMO we need to stop being so re-active, as i our main approach, our main methodology should be pro-active (e.g Modric), with a structure in place to be re-active WHEN required (e.g VDV)
Our Scouting system need to be looked at, for example, as someone else pointed out earlier, If Carroll was H's No1 target, why did we not sign Carroll 1-2 seasons ago? The same could be said for most of the players we were bidding for as well, Im sure there are other as well.
For those of you that feel buying a players isn't "as easy as that" etc. I have to say you are wrong, if proper planning (the 6 P’s), direction, parameters and agreed remit are done. Players can be identified / scouted and covertly head hunted any time in the year. Clubs can be approached / sounded out any time of the year. Then come Window time the negotiation starts. The time frame does not need to be protracted, We can set it ourselves. We do that with a level of honesty to ourselves. Fine offer low to start. But have an agreed max, prior to starting. We do not need to buy 10 players any more, little juggling is required. Set ourselves a time limit, a few days, If we cannot get the player at the agreed max, move on. it is really that simple.
For a minute forget about how you feel about these two players. Carroll and Rossi.
I am pretty certain it has been confirmed that Carroll was H's no1 target. He was sold to Pool, for around 35 mil. Its has been confirmed we bid about the same amount for Rossi........So we were willing to pay 35mil for a young striker that you could not say is a "proven Marque" striker....same could be said for Carroll...So why did we not get to that in week one of transfer window, with Carroll? (Whilst it can not be proven, 27mil would have probably done it) If we felt Carroll wasn’t “worth’ that amount but Rossi was, Why Again wasn’t this reached in week 1?
The Club Demonstrated, by their actions, the need for a “top ‘striker” to be brought this window. They FAILED to achieve it. It is pointless laying blame, as equally it is important that the club don’t “blame” x player / club wanting to much etc” What they need to do is except the responsibility for the failure. Analysis where they went wrong, AND ensure it doesn’t happen again.
I guess you got more than 2 pence worth, sorry about that.:razz:
But I really felt it was a “Must” that we strengthened or striker option this window…as I said here. http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=2115008#post2115008
Reading the media today, with a fair amount of quotes from Harry, Does, to a degree, support a reasonable amount of the itk we received over this window. so :clap: to the ITK guys and SC (when i read itk, all i read is the name, and then add the words "we are looking at him" and ignore the comments regarding how strong the itk feels we are in for him, works for me)
I copied this bit only, as i think, as a debrief, after this window, the club does need to look at its transfer methods, its accountability, and how it can be improved.
It is now confirmed that during the transfer window we bid for, Rossi Llorente Aguero Forlan Carroll Suarez.(poss Fab as well, though cant find an actual quote) I highlight these, as i think it demonstrates that the club agrees with the supporters in the need to improve on our current strikers. Regardless of how we as an individual feels about "how much we should pay for player x" The Club was willing to spend approx 35mill on a young player (Rossi). This demonstrates we had the money, the intent, and the "willing to risk factor".
Not getting a striker, means they have failed in their objective. And it can only be looked at as a total failure. I am not into the "blame culture" But it is fair to expect that the Club, and i say the club, rather then individual/s names, as there are several pieces to the jigsaw that results in a player signed, (board, management team, scouts etc) TO BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR FAILURE. i do not mean to us fans, but within themselves.
We were "scrabbling around" using a "scatter gun" approach, are a couple of often repeated comments...another way of saying this, is re-active, should we not be pro-active?
Buying a player is not unlike "head hunting" something i have been on both sides of the coin of, when you head hunt, you "'court" them, you entice them, you "sell" the dream. Now whilst this cannot be done overtly, (prem rules) it is impossible to believe that players don't talk, agents don't talk, And as far as i am aware, clubs can only not approach the player, with out consent, they can however talk to said players agent, even if it is covertly.
IMO we need to stop being so re-active, as i our main approach, our main methodology should be pro-active (e.g Modric), with a structure in place to be re-active WHEN required (e.g VDV)
Our Scouting system need to be looked at, for example, as someone else pointed out earlier, If Carroll was H's No1 target, why did we not sign Carroll 1-2 seasons ago? The same could be said for most of the players we were bidding for as well, Im sure there are other as well.
For those of you that feel buying a players isn't "as easy as that" etc. I have to say you are wrong, if proper planning (the 6 P’s), direction, parameters and agreed remit are done. Players can be identified / scouted and covertly head hunted any time in the year. Clubs can be approached / sounded out any time of the year. Then come Window time the negotiation starts. The time frame does not need to be protracted, We can set it ourselves. We do that with a level of honesty to ourselves. Fine offer low to start. But have an agreed max, prior to starting. We do not need to buy 10 players any more, little juggling is required. Set ourselves a time limit, a few days, If we cannot get the player at the agreed max, move on. it is really that simple.
For a minute forget about how you feel about these two players. Carroll and Rossi.
I am pretty certain it has been confirmed that Carroll was H's no1 target. He was sold to Pool, for around 35 mil. Its has been confirmed we bid about the same amount for Rossi........So we were willing to pay 35mil for a young striker that you could not say is a "proven Marque" striker....same could be said for Carroll...So why did we not get to that in week one of transfer window, with Carroll? (Whilst it can not be proven, 27mil would have probably done it) If we felt Carroll wasn’t “worth’ that amount but Rossi was, Why Again wasn’t this reached in week 1?
The Club Demonstrated, by their actions, the need for a “top ‘striker” to be brought this window. They FAILED to achieve it. It is pointless laying blame, as equally it is important that the club don’t “blame” x player / club wanting to much etc” What they need to do is except the responsibility for the failure. Analysis where they went wrong, AND ensure it doesn’t happen again.
I guess you got more than 2 pence worth, sorry about that.:razz:
But I really felt it was a “Must” that we strengthened or striker option this window…as I said here. http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=2115008#post2115008
lifeof...
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Hi, That just doesn't make any sense, Why would we do that?
unless you mean, we bid, didn't hold out much hope..........Which would fit with our re-active methodology this window.
ryantegan
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exactly!
lifeof...
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Then it really does support my post here: http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=70250
come give me some support !
ziggy
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In other words it's the club saying we bid £30 or £35m or whatever it was to appease the fans, knowing they wouldn't actually have to spend it.
Agree with everyone else that we really need to decide who it is we want and get them early (assuming they want to come), albeit if we don't get CL will we be back to "the top, top players don't want to come here because we haven't got CL football to offer them"
I hope not.
We need to get behind the team now until the end of the season and really try to get top 4 again, I'd love it if we pushed City out again, absolutely love it.
jazz15c
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Trying to stay positive here, so bear with me...
We are 5th, we have not played particularly well at all this season, our strikers can't hit a barn door. Our defence has been leaky.
BUT...
We are still 5th.
We have the same players that got us to 4th last season, if anything we have improved with VDV and Pienaar coming in. Dawson has come back and shored up our back 4 (I'm ignoring last Sunday's abhorition and writing it off as our seasonal stuffing!). Our strikers are not top class, but they will start scoring.
Tonight will be a massive test for us, we are truly up against it with the injuries that we have, but a hard earned 3 points will instill a lot of belief. We claimed to have the best squad in the league a couple months back, lets prove it.
Keep the faith. COYS
We are 5th, we have not played particularly well at all this season, our strikers can't hit a barn door. Our defence has been leaky.
BUT...
We are still 5th.
We have the same players that got us to 4th last season, if anything we have improved with VDV and Pienaar coming in. Dawson has come back and shored up our back 4 (I'm ignoring last Sunday's abhorition and writing it off as our seasonal stuffing!). Our strikers are not top class, but they will start scoring.
Tonight will be a massive test for us, we are truly up against it with the injuries that we have, but a hard earned 3 points will instill a lot of belief. We claimed to have the best squad in the league a couple months back, lets prove it.
Keep the faith. COYS
I don't think the ITK's need to explain anything.
It's all in the news to read yourselves. We got to advanced talks with a few that we were linked to. We bid high for several. Most turned us down. Then we started panicking.
Not sure why we always leave it to the last minute, might be legitimate reasons and reasons we will never fully know, but as a fan, it looks like we really aren't learning from our mistakes.
It's all in the news to read yourselves. We got to advanced talks with a few that we were linked to. We bid high for several. Most turned us down. Then we started panicking.
Not sure why we always leave it to the last minute, might be legitimate reasons and reasons we will never fully know, but as a fan, it looks like we really aren't learning from our mistakes.
kernowspur
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The main problem is that our main rivals have strengthened and we haven't. I do not think Pienaar is an improvement on what we already had, just another squad member. Whoever messed up the transfer in the window, either Harry or Levy, we became a club that looked desperate during the last few days.
Whatever happened I just wish Harry would keep his mouth shut for a few days, or is he getting his excuses in early.
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