The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - The Day After

[Vedi]

Disappointed.

I just hope that this means we will finally see one of our youngsters given a chance upfront, hopefully HurriKane. I dont know what Harry sees in our strikers that we dont, but I damn hope they start producing whatever that is, and that against Blackburn.

And can i just say - Liverpool's new attack does not make up for their failings all over the rest of the team!

And neither does it compensate in any way the loss of Torres. They replaced 1 world class strikers with 2 good strikers. Chelsea did the best business this window, and I think they will start winning again now. I think now it will be again between us and ManCity.

 

[AZ1974]

Harsh accusing people of being fickle when the team failed to address an obvious issue like our strikers not scoring.....

Also lets be fair here, I am yet to see anyone say "Arry out" or anything. I am worried for the rest of the season though.

The club tried to address it. It was clear to be seen with bids for the 4 spanish base players but it didnt come off. We had no chance with Carroll as soon as Liverpool got involved with 35mil. To much for a player who has two decent seasons.:bang::bang:

 

[brasil_spur]

The problem is with seemingly UEFA Cup football beckoning next season, our stars could be plucked off by massive teams. And furthermore, if we can't buy a decent striker within 8 months of finishing fourth, what chance will we have in the summer when we finished fifth.

This :clap:

I keep hearing the same old crap idetify targets early. Do you not think that's what DL and HR did but they didnt come off becuase the targets we wanted either were committed to there club or the club did not want to sell, or in the case of Forlan he wanted 140k do you want to sign a 31 year old for 15mil euro and give him 140k a week.

But this is exactly the point.

You search/scout players that you are interested in.

You then find out what salary they are on (if all else fails even FM would help with this ffs!).

You then make a list of players that you want to sign who also are on a salary that is equal to or less than the most you are willing to pay them.

You then approach their clubs early on or even pre-window to see if they are interested in selling OR you straight up make a bid for them.

In addition to all this you can also utilise the press and other players relationships with your targets (such as international team mate and former team mates) to persuade these targets to sign for you.

Simples.

Now why can't we do that? :shrug:

 

[Fatcat]

thought it was interesting how much we have spent since getting to 4th and CL, we have not pushed on to make sure we stay there and have not addressed the issue for striker for more than 1 window, VDV saved our last TW, stillvery surprised we dropped out of the running for suarez, if we are admitting we can't for the worlds best due to there wages. The likes of Suarez would have been the best of the next rung.

 

[vonn]

Spot on, my only problem with last night was the way Harry ended up on every media outlet talking up Torres & Carroll. Didn't see or hear any other manager last night.

Agreed. Embarrassing to say the least. The problem is the media always go running to Harry because he always has something to say. I wish he would keep his gob shut sometimes tbh.

 

[AZ1974]

This :clap:



But this is exactly the point.

You search/scout players that you are interested in.

You then find out what salary they are on (if all else fails even FM would help with this ffs!).

You then make a list of players that you want to sign who also are on a salary that is equal to or less than the most you are willing to pay them.

You then approach their clubs early on or even pre-window to see if they are interested in selling OR you straight up make a bid for them.

In addition to all this you can also utilise the press and other players relationships with your targets (such as international team mate and former team mates) to persuade these targets to sign for you.

Simples.

Now why can't we do that? :shrug:

Do you not think that's what spurs did. They most proberly monitored the situation made inquires from start of January but as the month went on nothing was going to move as the club were unwilling to sell. So in the end Spurs made a transfer deadline day offer which they hoped might convince them to seel but it didnt work out. So we now move on and hope the summer birng a bit more success.

 

[nickchrissi]

I've slept on it and have decided the following -

Getting people like Bentley(60k), Keane(70k), O'Hara(35k) Gio(25k) off the wage bill and not bringing in a striker may mean that Levy is preparing for life without CL but assuring we can use that money saved to offer the likes of Bale and Modric improved terms to hold on to them in the summer.

I'd much rather wait and not get CL knowing that we are going to bring in a World Class striker rather than panic buying the like of Suarez and Carroll, one being unproven in England and the other for a ridiculous fee.

I'm sick we didn't identify and buy a striker earlier, and we may not see CL at the Lane next season as a result BUT in Levy and Harry we trust.

 

[SlunkSoma]

Liverpool spending £35m isn't the same as us spending it. They needed a player like Carroll to complete their strike force, and the money was burning a hole in their pocket with the sale of Torres. They saw what they needed and got their man. The cost is relative, use the torres windfall to repair the hole. We'd just be spunking £35m off the bat.

 

[brasil_spur]

thought it was interesting how much we have spent since getting to 4th and CL, we have not pushed on to make sure we stay there and have not addressed the issue for striker for more than 1 window, VDV saved our last TW, stillvery surprised we dropped out of the running for suarez, if we are admitting we can't for the worlds best due to there wages. The likes of Suarez would have been the best of the next rung.

Agreed. We either need to decide that we want to pay big wages OR sign players who are just under that threshold like Suarez.

What we seem to be doing is deciding we want to sign players that are on big wages but pay them less.

VDV definitely saved our last window - and is currently saving our season from being a disaster.

I really wonder where we would be had the FA not agreed the paperwork for him was submitted on time.

 

[arnoldlayne]

This was posted by Dragon1 (ITK on COYS) just now. Could explain conflicting info from various itk's (who I still think I would rather have than be driven out by the unwarranted abuse):

making cl was our chance,completely ballsed last two windows,offering £250,000 on last day of window for neville sums levy up,as it happens i like phil neville but we want him offer £2 million and do the deal the lad was happy to come,harry did great last season but take away inter and blackburn at home and villa away we have been poor this term,to say bale and rafa have carried us would be a huge understatement,the balance of team is completely wrong,5 of our front are midgets on sunday.

Knowing a bit more than most of you about what goes on harry still thinks hes at portsmouth,our scouting network is pethetic,charlie adam and neville on final day of window tells you all you need to know,there was one transfer last week where,harry,bond and the chief scout changed there minds continually until in end we were gazumped it was shambolic.

Carroll was hugely overpriced but what we needed,i was at our game at st james last week,the way ashley has plastered sports op over main entrance and main stand in bright red shows what he thinks of the geordies the bloke couldnt give a monkeys,it was clear he would not be concerned over backlash of selling carroll,we should have done that deal last week and newcastle would have been better placed to replace Carroll

What levy dont get is that the strikers who would have come in the last two windows will now not come in the summer cos we will not be offering cl football again

we need serious investment on pitch and to build npd,i pray we dont get the os cos be under no illusions we will 100% move its levys dream ticket and he will sell club for fortune once we do,i want jose in summer,he will leave real and loves the premiership,united,city and scum jobs are not available,cant see him getting back with roman and hopefully king kenny will stay at scouse

 

[brasil_spur]

Do you not think that's what spurs did. They most proberly monitored the situation made inquires from start of January but as the month went on nothing was going to move as the club were unwilling to sell. So in the end Spurs made a transfer deadline day offer which they hoped might convince them to seel but it didnt work out. So we now move on and hope the summer birng a bit more success.

I honestly don't think we did that.

It isn't that hard to sign players. Villa did it. Liverpool did it. Chelsea did it. Man City did it. Bolton and West Ham also did on loan.

Yet with the money we have and CL football, we can't.

 

[vonn]

I keep hearing the same old crap idetify targets early. Do you not think that's what DL and HR did but they didnt come off becuase the targets we wanted either were committed to there club or the club did not want to sell, or in the case of Forlan he wanted 140k do you want to sign a 31 year old for 15mil euro and give him 140k a week.

The thing is we knew players like Forlan were on top money and would want top money to come and play for us, so why even bother targetting them if we can't pay that sort of wage. It just doesn't make sense.

 

[Phantom]

The club tried to address it. It was clear to be seen with bids for the 4 spanish base players but it didnt come off. We had no chance with Carroll as soon as Liverpool got involved with 35mil. To much for a player who has two decent seasons.:bang::bang:

But peoples frustration stem from the fact it appears to have all been left to the last minute. I am not for one moment suggesting we should have been out bidding liverpool.

 

[ShayLaB]

HR and DL did not make a mess of the transfer window. We don't generate enough revenue from our stadium - end of. If the OS comes through we would be in a far better position.

 

[vonn]

Agreed. We either need to decide that we want to pay big wages OR sign players who are just under that threshold like Suarez.

Exactly.

I've been saying that all along. The window has been a failure because we have targetted elite forwards but can't or won't pay them elite forward wages. Is it any wonder we didn't end up with one.

 

[Vedi]

Exactly.

I've been saying that all along. The window has been a failure because we have targetted elite forwards but can't or won't pay them elite forward wages. Is it any wonder we didn't end up with one.

Disagree. Our window was a failure because we started doing business the last 24 hours. Of course clubs wont sell their best players knowing they only have 24 hours left to replace him, which is impossible.

If we started bidding for Agüero or Llorente at the beginning of the window, both Athleticos might have considered it and checked for replacements to see whos avaible for them. We saw with Berbatov what happens if you dont have a replacement ready.

 

[brasil_spur]

HR and DL did not make a mess of the transfer window. We don't generate enough revenue from our stadium - end of. If the OS comes through we would be in a far better position.

What a load of crap. We've spent more than almost any other club in the PL over the last 3 seasons.

Sorry but that it total rubbish. We had the money to spend and we didn't.

Also this Phil Neville thing is a fucking disgrace. How pathetic does that make us look. Offering £250,000 for the captain of any PL club is just a complete joke. Levy and Harry really embarrassed themselves this IMO.

 

[arnoldlayne]

HR and DL did not make a mess of the transfer window. We don't generate enough revenue from our stadium - end of. If the OS comes through we would be in a far better position.

and how many years away is that? 5 years at best. We'll be left behind with players/targets like Gallas/Neville/etc (uninspired like Gerry Francis) and HR long gone.

 

[sidford]

is it safe to come in here??? i thought a mass suicide like wako (sp) was going to happen

the one thing that has me more worried than anything is the lack of a clear plan of who we want/wanted. i do believe that we put in bids for rossi, fabiano, forlan, llorente and also enquired about suarez and carroll. looking at that list of players they are very different in sytle and what they would bring to a team. If we just went after a similar type of player then fine but to go after strikers that are very different is worrying and shows a lack of a strategic plan.

the summer window was worse (vdv apart) for us because that is the time to be signing your marque striker not in january when 4 month wonders go for 35m so im not too gutted now i was more gutted in the summer. a pool friend of mine said that this is harrys chance to prove he can really take spurs to the next level (reaching CL once is not really taking us to the next level, getting us there consistently is) and that he didnt think he has the strategic mind to do that, have to say after this window and the bids we made im tending to agree. what harry did for us since hes come here deserves another 2/3 seasons at least but after the summer with no striker and now this window i do have questions about his ability to manage consistently at the top 4 level

 

[vonn]

Disagree. Our window was a failure because we started doing business the last 24 hours. Of course clubs wont sell their best players knowing they only have 24 hours left to replace him, which is impossible.

If we started bidding for Agüero or Llorente at the beginning of the window, both Athleticos might have considered it and checked for replacements to see whos avaible for them. We saw with Berbatov what happens if you dont have a replacement ready.

Obviously the timing of our bids were late in the extreme. I still think though that we targetted players that realistically we wouldn't get. Whether we had a bid accepted for Forlan on the 1st of January or the 31st we still wouldn't have got him, and there are a 140,000 reasons for that.