The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - THE LAST DAY! 1st September 2014

[Hoopspur]

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@Hoopspur
Ahem.......
Re. Mateo

Matt - I will sort out our little wager today as promised!! £10 into the SC coffers from me.......


[Edit] - Just done!

 

[CheeseGromit]

Bollocks from start to finish. You don't know how involved Poch has been in decision making. Fans can fuck off if they don't want to pay any more, I and others on the waiting list will snap up their season tickets. We're rarely going to win when a pkayer has a straight choice between us and a wealthier, more successful club. It may be bumpy and it may have been bumpy if we'd signed more, fewer, or different players, there's no 'it shouldn't be so' about it.

What a load of incoherent crap

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

i keep being accused of "YOU WANT US TO SIGN A ENTIRE NEW TEAM AGAIN" when that isn't true, i want a sign of faith in the manager rather than making him work with stopgaps & people that aren't his choice. it didn't work with avb, why on earth will it work now?

I only skim read the ITK on this but I think that we're now only signing the players the manager actually wants rather than just any old player/the ones Levy picks. From what I can gather, Poch and Levy etc agreed a value and that they wouldn't pay in excess of that which is why we never got Schneiderlin.

It seems Poch is happy going forward with what we have and we'll only be adding who he wants and even then, only at the right price. If my reading of it all is correct (and why would it be, i'm just guessing), we're going to be moving from a fuckoff great big player trading exchange to actually signing players that will be of use to us.

Something must have happened to stop Levy trading players like kids used to trade football bubble gum cards, maybe he's seen the light. Who knows? But in a way, it is a sign of faith of sorts if Levy is changing his ways to accomodate Pochettino it might even be a sign that he'll be given the time to do the job for a change.

But if i'm right (lol) then this window was always going to be a painful one as the culling began. It might take two or three windows before Pochettino has exactly what he wants. And as I said, that's another thing, will he last that long?

Strap yourselves in.

Apologies for the post devoid of smut.

Buttplugs!

 

[Stoof]

Can I speak now?

Mug.

I like that you sign-off your posts with an appropriate name.

Toodle-oo.

 

[SpartanSpur]

i keep being accused of "YOU WANT US TO SIGN A ENTIRE NEW TEAM AGAIN" when that isn't true, i want a sign of faith in the manager rather than making him work with stopgaps & people that aren't his choice. it didn't work with avb, why on earth will it work now?

The ironic thing is the speculative signings like the Holtby's and possibly the Stambouli's are the ones we end up shifting on a deadline day 18 months down the line because the squad is bloated with similar players. Make Levy look like a transfer market genius though.

Think a lot of people missed the point in that wanting us to push a deal through for Schneiderlin or Rodriguez or even Musacchio was a general whim for big money signings, when its more about backing ourselves for our top targets that seemed impeccably scouted and suited for once*. Hopefully Poch does well (hopefully under no board pressure) for now and we revisit these in January with more success.

*I'm sure City would have wanted to pay less for Mangala and Chelsea less for Costa/Fabregas (lets not even start on Utd or Pool!) but they knew what they needed and made sure they got it, and Chelsea's confidence at least appears well founded (and despite being run by an oil baron they have been exemplary for FFP purposes for years now).

 

[prawnsandwich]

We have 6 home grown players who were born before January 1, 1993:
Walker, Rose, Naughton
Lennon, Townsend, Mason
I can see Naughton and Lennon being sold next January.
We now have 16 non-homegrown players born before January 1, 1993 (not including Khumalo and BAE)
Does this mean Ceballos will be in the squad? Kaboul, Chiriches and Dembele will be fighting for game time.
This thing ain't over yet.

PS Still nowt about BAE?

 

[Supersi32]

Is the Holtby to HSV a loan with an option to buy or just a season long loan?

 

[Matrix]

The aim of the next window should be to get rid of the weak minded players who have been on the Spurs gravy train for a while.
Upgrades on Lennon, Townsend, Naughton being the priority. Obviously there might be one or two (Paulinho,Dembele) who just haven't managed to push on come January that need looking at.
Lets hope Poch gets things to gel and you never know we could be like Atletico, a few standout players but a strong team/unit.

 

[SpartanSpur]

I only skim read the ITK on this but I think that we're now only signing the players the manager actually wants rather than just any old player/the ones Levy picks. From what I can gather, Poch and Levy etc agreed a value and that they wouldn't pay in excess of that which is why we never got Schneiderlin.

It seems Poch is happy going forward with what we have and we'll only be adding who he wants and even then, only at the right price. If my reading of it all is correct (and why would it be, i'm just guessing), we're going to be moving from a fuckoff great big player trading exchange to actually signing players that will be of use to us.

Something must have happened to stop Levy trading players like kids used to trade football bubble gum cards, maybe he's seen the light. Who knows? But in a way, it is a sign of faith of sorts if Levy is changing his ways to accomodate Pochettino it might even be a sign that he'll be given the time to do the job for a change.

But if i'm right (lol) then this window was always going to be a painful one as the culling began. It might take two or three windows before Pochettino has exactly what he wants. And as I said, that's another thing, will he last that long?

Strap yourselves in.

Apologies for the post devoid of smut.

Buttplugs!

I think this is the big positive to take from this, but the caveat being Poch needs to be given time and support by Levy all season to slowly build us up again. Only problem is no one can be sure he will, history certainly doesn't suggest that...

 

[dave5150]

Is the Holtby to HSV a loan with an option to buy or just a season long loan?

An option to buy at the end of the loan - €7m has been mentioned.

 

[Gedson100]

PS Still nowt about BAE?

Think he's getting fitted for a Chirpy suit as we speak.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

I think this is the big positive to take from this, but the caveat being Poch needs to be given time and support by Levy all season to slowly build us up again. Only problem is no one can be sure he will, history certainly doesn't suggest that...

If he sacks this one, surely, SURELY even the BSoDL will see that there's something wrong in the guys head?

EDIT: On reflection they probably wouldn't.

 

[kremlyn]

Christ. Where do these monkeys come from? Suddenly on the final day of the window the forum comes alive with these doom-mongers and nay-sayers. All perspective lost because of what exactly? We didn't get a last minute wonder deal, but did we need one.
One thing was clear at the start of the window; the defense needed sorting. It had a complete overhaul with a new lb, cb, rb and rookie who has already become almost a cult figure. The only disappointment was not getting the moustache but hey, fazio is pretty decent and is certain to be an upgrade on Dawson. Basically we did exactly what was required.
But we didn't get MS! At the beginning of the window our midfield was massively overloaded; it needed trimming and it became vey obvious, very early that he wasn't going to be anything other than exorbitantly over priced. But what did we need him for? Nobody really had the measure of our midfielders after last season. Capoue didnt play enough, paulinho was obviously being played out of position, bentaleb is developing, Sandro just wasnt the same, holtby wasnt improving, Dembele has it all but needs a partner to speed up the passing. The real problem as was so cruelly exposed by liverpool was, aside from Sandro there wasnt a dominating presence in midfield, hence the need for MS. we didnt get him but we did buy Stambouli who is a classic destroyer and shipped out Sandro and holtby. Im sad to see Sandro go but i am glad that poch is making sensible decisions and replacing him like for like.
Finally the clamour for a lwf. We've got, count 'em, 2 AMs who are left footed; townsend and lamela. 2 who are right footed but happy to play on the left; eriksen and chadli. But the main reason im bemused by this is that they are en ouraged to swap positions at all times so a dedicated lwf seems completely unneccessary.
We've got 3 good strikers for 1 position.
I just cant see this as anything other than a sensible, focused and successful window, leaving us with what we need rather than what we childishly desire.

 

[prawnsandwich]

Is the Holtby to HSV a loan with an option to buy or just a season long loan?

In bold

 

[SpartanSpur]

If he sacks this one, surely, SURELY even the BSoDL will see that there's something wrong in the guys head?

I was hovering over the 'optimistic' rating for quite a while there but opted for agree in the hope of all that is sane!

 

[Topeka]

Our fans are quite funny. reading some of these posts is a bit embarrassing, we are not a Top 4 club, we are the 6th biggest club in this country. We do not have the resources that United, City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool have.

Stop moaning that arent spending silly money on players we dont need, a forward would have been nice but who? Shane Long? Welbeck obviously chose Arsenal over us, who wouldnt? Falcao? Exactly.

Be realistic.

Welbeck probably chose the Scum after he arrived in the England training rooms and chatted with the other scumbags.

 

[fatpiranha]

Names and numbers without context i'm afraid.

Who was selling.
Why.
Who was buying. Size discrepancy between Clubs.
Contract situation.
Form of the player.
Squad situation of player.
Financial strength of the league.
Age of the player.
Players attitude in face of interest.
Other players/competition in the selling teams squad.

I think you're engaging in a logical fallacy here. Good value is good value and the reasons for it are irrelevant. From the buying clubs POV what difference does it make if the selling club needs the money for a new striker, has a good replacement in the youth ranks or wants rid because the player involved is shagging the chairman's daughter? If i'm buying a Mars bar I don't care whether i'm getting it from Fortnum & Mason or Lidl. It's the same Mars bar.

Things like age and form are obviously taken into account when you make your own assessment of the player. As for player's attitude, if he doesn't want to sign for you then he isn't an option anyway.

I'm struggling to see your point. Either a player is available for what you are prepared to pay or he's not.

 

[Gedson100]

If he sacks this one, surely, SURELY even the BSoDL will see that there's something wrong in the guys head?

EDIT: On reflection they probably wouldn't.

That he's given him such a long contract and that Poch is quite clearly not a twat gives some hope on this front.

By that regard the only way Poch sacks himself is results and given Sherwood managed to hit par on that front, he should be alright for a good while. We'll most likely finish somewhere between 4th and 7th and the chance of us finishing anywhere else is remote since the league is so two-tiered. In fact i'd say there's more chance we finish 3rd than 8th, so he should get 2 years minimum; this to consolidate, next year to kick on and if we're languishing or failing at the end of that point then maybe he goes.

Or we just win multiple titles and everyone is happy

 

[iluvsteffenfreund]

Welbeck probably chose the Scum after he arrived in the England training rooms and chatted with the other scumbags.

And the fact they offer CL football can pay him 100k and are a lot better side than us !

 

[dwayne-mooney]

I like that you sign-off your posts with an appropriate name.

Toodle-oo.

Hi

I wont tell you to shut up, that would be rude...

Depends who says it I suppose....