The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - THE STAYING ALIVE EDITION - 9th January

[King of Otters]

Shades of Pleat and Freddy with this Ade business. I hope we don't end up pining for Ade if/when he leaves like we did with Kanoute.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Question - Certainly not a dig at anyone who is discussing their concerns about Pritchard possibly not signing a contract BUT surely IF the club are ready to let the lad leave, it's due to the fact that AVB has made it clear that he doesn't see Pritchard in his future plans? I've never seen the boy play, but I find it odd that people have spent the last few months waxing lyrical about AVB, what he's doing at the club & the players he wants to sign etc, but are now intimating that he perhaps doesn't know what he's doing. It's just an observation guys, not a dismissal of your opinions.

It's got very little to do with AVB I think. If the kid is getting better offers elsewhere, he'll not sign the contract we are offering him.

This is like Fryers in reverse.

 

[Luka Van der Bale]

Sorry guys

Ive let you down.



No-one has Pritchards number to ask him

Get them to Facebook message him? Haha

 

[Misfit]

From what I have seen, a lot of the players that have come through the ranks, and not brought in from elsewhere so have a long contract to go with the investment of a transfer fee (Parrett, Bostock et al), are often on 1-2 year contracts. eg. the likes of Obika and Mason seem to get a years extension each summer. It seems to be the way we do things, maybe it was all he would accept, but I don't really believe we were there offering a 3/4 year deal to him, and saying 'this is how much we rate you'... but thats just my impression of it.

There's still the issue of the playing time and opportunities we give them, which is the responsiblity of the club. I mean you want them to work hard for the chance but they need to feel that there is light at the end of the tunnel. The match at the weekend I really couldn't believe how strong the team, and particularly the bench was. If they don't get a chance then, when will they? I'm just coming at it from the perspective of a young player at the club, it wouldn't surprise me if some thought they a move would give them a better chance of playing first team footy at PL level.

You could well be right. Agree to disagree though mate and we're both in the dark in reality. I added a little bit more to my above post. I agree with what you say about the chances our youth players get. Tbh though, I trust AVB to spot a younger player who is ready to step up.

There's a world of difference between a talented player, even who has excelled in youth football, and and who is ready to mix it at the premier level. Just count number of teens, especially in the top 6 clubs who can genuinely count themselves as members of the first team squad. Most youth players don't make. Even ones who look the bits in their late teens.

It seems difficult enough for the pros to spot who will make it and who won't. I was horribly wrong about Parker last summer. I'll leave the second guessing about young players who haven't kicked a ball in anger up to others.

 

[Huddlestone22]

Don't follow our youth teams then?

Not as much as most, but even still. You'd honestly rather a decent youth prospect over an established Brazil international? Each to their own I guess.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

IIRC correctly, we gave him a new one year deal in the summer. Everyone over the last year or so has said he is one of the best prospects for a long time, I know you can't predict the future and if he will fulfill his potential, but does giving someone a one year deal smack of really believing in him? To go with that, has he, and others, really been given the signs that there will be chances (eg. Cup competitions)?

If I was a young player at Spurs and I went on the evidence of what I have seen this season, would I think that I could maybe better my development somewhere else? Got to be honest, I'd have to have a good think about it.

Did we offer him that or was that all he'd sign?

Why would the club suddenly jettison it's long established contractual dealing of locking up senior or promising players into contracts with one of our best prospects?

The only way he might even still be at the club is because we accepted a short term deal. He could already have walked.

I'm not saying that is the case but it's far more likely than the other scenario.

Agree with what you say though. We're not the best club for yoof prospects - unless they are of real exceptional quality like Bale. Then again, that's the price we pay for being quite good these days. I can just imagine the venom directed at the club and players by the fans were we to slip on banana skins in the cup by giving these kids a run out.

I think the 1 year deal (I know nothing of what his last deal actually was) would be a pretty standard contract for a kid of his age, no matter how good.

 

[al_pacino]

It's got very little to do with AVB I think. If the kid is getting better offers elsewhere, he'll not sign the contract we are offering him.

This is like Fryers in reverse.

And like Fryers and Pogba at Man U if they had more of a look at the first team they might see more of a reason to sign a contract.

 

[leffe186]

Question - Certainly not a dig at anyone who is discussing their concerns about Pritchard possibly not signing a contract BUT surely IF the club are ready to let the lad leave, it's due to the fact that AVB has made it clear that he doesn't see Pritchard in his future plans? I've never seen the boy play, but I find it odd that people have spent the last few months waxing lyrical about AVB, what he's doing at the club & the players he wants to sign etc, but are now intimating that he perhaps doesn't know what he's doing. It's just an observation guys, not a dismissal of your opinions.

I don't think anyone believes the club is ready to let him leave, I mean, he's quite clearly the talent of his intake, and possibly the whole development squad. It may be that AVB has told him doesn't see him in his plans, but isn't it more likely that Pritchard has decided actions speak louder than words. He hasn't really had a sniff. It's not that people are intimating AVB doesn't know what he's doing, but more simply that he's made a mistake in not giving Pritchard more opportunities. Freund's recent interview seems to suggest that the management team recognizes this

 

[ryantegan]

Get them to Facebook message him? Haha

Good idea

 

[Luka Van der Bale]

Not as much as most, but even still. You'd honestly rather a decent youth prospect over an established Brazil international? Each to their own I guess.

I would probably plump for Damiao myself, but honestly don't feel BC's opinion warrants a facepalm. Damiao is hardly proven at the highest level himself. In hindsight I will remove my dislike, think that was harsh.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

It's got very little to do with AVB I think. If the kid is getting better offers elsewhere, he'll not sign the contract we are offering him.

This is like Fryers in reverse.

Then he can 'F Off'.. I don't care how talented he is. Just like any other player, if he dosn't truly want to be at THFC, I truly don't want him to be at THFC. No time for sentiment in such a cut-throat industry!!

 

[gazzeh]

Adam Suhter has just said that the problem with the Mouts deal is not the player, but Porto currently. Says the deal is difficult, but not over.

 

[CJMurray]

If he won't sign a contract (Pritchard) there's nowt we can do so relax everyone.

Put him in a room with a hungry Sandro for half an hour, that'll change his mind...

 

[gazzeh]

Sorry guys

Ive let you down.



No-one has Pritchards number to ask him

Booo! Don't suppose you can find out any more on the LD and Mouts deals dude?

 

[EnfieldYiddo]

It's got very little to do with AVB I think. If the kid is getting better offers elsewhere, he'll not sign the contract we are offering him.

This is like Fryers in reverse.

I haven't seen much of him aside from clips from youth games and one or two nextgen full games.

Whilst I agree he does look talented surely the coaching staff and AVB knows the player better than us.

If he is as talented as people are making out, why is he nowhere near the first team but Tom Carroll is who for all his hype, hasn't shown that much potential IMHO.

Just find it interesting that if he was the 'best player from our youth system in X amount of years'... Why is it he's not broken even onto the subs bench?

I do have a qualm with the deadwood in our youth system who are clearly never going to break through e.g Obika. Should just rid them.

Does seem like AVB's persistence to challenge seriously on 4 fronts is costing the promising youth valuable gametime - Possible suggestion he doesn't have faith in many of their abilities?

I would like Pritchard to stay too and for us to invest time in our youths as opposed to buying other people's but can't agree with you on the Pritchard contract over Damiao comment.

 

[puella]

Sorry guys

Ive let you down.



No-one has Pritchards number to ask him

Just ask him on Twitter

 

[Grey Fox]

Something else, perhaps others can comments or reasoned:
I think if we see we can't bring Moutinho, we may pay the small fee for Holtby and we concentrate on the striker.
The ideal for Levy would be a loan in striker until the end of season (may try in Spain) or a young (profit in future) striker or as we know a bargain.
The Bargain: Llorente
I don't know but I think Huntelaar for 12million pounds is not bad.
Once again, if we don't pull anyone, then perhaps he may knock on RM door for a last minute.
We definitely need a striker now with Ade going for a month.

I did mention that Calejon from RM might be a possibility

 

[ryantegan]

Just ask him on Twitter

we can all do that

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

I don't think anyone believes the club is ready to let him leave, I mean, he's quite clearly the talent of his intake, and possibly the whole development squad. It may be that AVB has told him doesn't see him in his plans, but isn't it more likely that Pritchard has decided actions speak louder than words. He hasn't really had a sniff. It's not that people are intimating AVB doesn't know what he's doing, but more simply that he's made a mistake in not giving Pritchard more opportunities. Freund's recent interview seems to suggest that the management team recognizes this

Thanks leffe. I asked a simple question, to which you gave me a polite answer & it's appreciated mate. Better than getting negged like last week for asking an honest question.

 

[thenickh]

ah yeah... the old Huntelaar eh?