The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - The Will He or Won't He? Edition 24th July 2013

[cjsimba]

Soldado, Defoe and Chadli will be fine for a one-striker system team.

Obviously I'd like a young striker with huge upside to be brought in, but I'm not getting greedy.

Just pretend that until we bring a young striker in, he's presently just on loan developing for us at his current club

 

[JackTheYid]

Obika, Coulthirst ? Do we really need to be buying a 3rd or 4th choice striker ?

Not sure about Colthirst, but for me Obika and Kane are nowhere near good enough.

Obika has failed to do envy thing of note at the various loan teams, scoring far too few in lower divisions. Furthermore, he is 22 now, and if he hasn't made an impact by now I highly doubt he will!

Kane, albeit a lot younger, has also failed to impress on his loan moves. Living in Leicester I saw quite a bit of him last season and spoke to a lot of my Leicester supporting friends. It was quite clear that Championship is his level, and even then he struggled at Leicester, often only featuring as a sub. I just don't think he is anywhere near as good as people hope/think.

Lancaster and Coulthirst may be different, but I don't personally believe that just because you have a youth team you have to use all the players from it. Quite simply, if they are not good enough then you will have to buy. We can't play them just because they come from our youth team if they aren't good enough, that will be to the detriment of the team.

 

[Mr Pink]

The question I would like to ask is where do we turn if we do not capture Soldado.

A good bet would be towards your nearest bridge.

 

[Colonel Dax]

Soldado, Defoe and Chadli will be fine for a one-striker system .

Sorry, but I couldn't disagree more.

Defoe is not good enough to play the lone striker role.

 

[Mr Pink]

Thanks for your info. You have to admit its a bit of a coincidence that these things always happen to Levy though - he can't be a completely innocent bystander. Also, other chairmen are pretty vocal about him being a c*** to deal with.

Why do you think that is though?

Simply put, because he's very good in the art of negotiations.

 

[$hoguN]

Soldado, Defoe and Chadli will be fine for a one-striker system team.

Obviously I'd like a young striker with huge upside to be brought in, but I'm not getting greedy.

It really wouldn't as Defoe does not fit the system at all so an injury to Soldado would f**k us. Soldado, Adebayor and Chadli I agree, but not with Defoe.

 

[Courtneyjd]

Not sure about Colthirst, but for me Obika and Kane are nowhere near good enough.

Obika has failed to do envy thing of note at the various loan teams, scoring far too few in lower divisions. Furthermore, he is 22 now, and if he hasn't made an impact by now I highly doubt he will!

Kane, albeit a lot younger, has also failed to impress on his loan moves. Living in Leicester I saw quite a bit of him last season and spoke to a lot of my Leicester supporting friends. It was quite clear that Championship is his level, and even then he struggled at Leicester, often only featuring as a sub. I just don't think he is anywhere near as good as people hope/think.

Lancaster and Coulthirst may be different, but I don't personally believe that just because you have a youth team you have to use all the players from it. Quite simply, if they are not good enough then you will have to buy. We can't play them just because they come from our youth team if they aren't good enough, that will be to the detriment of the team.

They loved him at Millwall! Horses for courses I suppose.

 

[dagraham]

Am I missing something? I haven't seen anything suggesting Chadli can play as a lone striker. As far as I'm aware he plays as a winger, a wide forward or sometimes as a deep lying No.10.

 

[$hoguN]

They loved him at Millwall! Horses for courses I suppose.

To be fair, they also love riots, super tennents and white lightning cider.

 

[$hoguN]

Am I missing something? I haven't seen anything suggesting Chadli can play as a lone striker. As far as I'm aware he plays as a winger, a wide forward or sometimes as a deep lying No.10.

He has all the attributes to play as a striker in a fluent 4-3-3. He is fairly big, finishes well in the box and has a decent upper body strength. Obviously he has not been bought for that role but he can play there when we are in a jam.

 

[SheffieldAndy]

Hmmm I wonder if this is how Levy does business?

Do us a favour and unlink the video mate, don't have 'em in the ITK thread

EDIT: it's gone now, cheers Chris

 

[hutchiniho]

Why do you think that is though?

Simply put, because he's very good in the art of negotiations.

Maybe for the single transaction but I'm not sure people would want to deal with him again.

 

[Mr Pink]

Maybe for the single transaction but I'm not sure people would want to deal with him again.

Well we havn't done badly with it. I suggest you have a wee glance as to where we were when Levy came in to where we are now.

 

[ryantegan]

To be fair, they also love riots, super tennents and white lightning cider.

mmmmmmm white lightning

 

[Kalim]

Soldado, Defoe and Chadli will be fine for a one-striker system team.

Obviously I'd like a young striker with huge upside to be brought in, but I'm not getting greedy.

If Soldado's re-sale value at 28 goes down from it's peak now, what about Defoe who's 30, surely it's time to cash in on him and get your younger striker with potential upside value?

 

[LeSoupeKitchen]

Why do you think that is though?

Simply put, because he's very good in the art of negotiations.

I agree. He should get credit for pulling off some deals at bargain prices (e.g. Lloris) but when the technique backfires I don't buy the whole "Levy did everything he could, he's tried his best" line. He deserves criticism in these instances like he deserves praise in the others.

 

[Mr Pink]

I agree. He should get credit for pulling off some deals at bargain prices (e.g. Lloris) but when the technique backfires I don't buy the whole "Levy did everything he could, he's tried his best" line. He deserves criticism in these instances like he deserves praise in the others.

Nobody is perfect and we aren't living in a perfect world either.

He does his best for the Club though, that's the point. People believing that he gets some sort of satisfaction from stringing the fans along, with regards to our attempts to sign 'star' players - which are difficult for our Club to do, are mistaken IMO.

 

[hutchiniho]

Well we havn't done badly with it. I suggest you have a wee glance as to where we were when Levy came in to where we are now.

My point would be that follow a dealing with a club we would find it hard to go back to that same club to sign/sell another player.
The Lloris transfer would be the perfect example.

This might exclude Real and Man utd as they just skim off our top players

 

[Gb160]

I agree. He should get credit for pulling off some deals at bargain prices (e.g. Lloris) but when the technique backfires I don't buy the whole "Levy did everything he could, he's tried his best" line. He deserves criticism in these instances like he deserves praise in the others.

The problem here is that every time we don't sign a player we are linked with,people automatically think that Dls " technique backfired"....when there are countless reasons why a transfer didnt happen.
DL not agreeing to pay whatever the other club demands,is NOT his "technique backfiring"

 

[zoidy84]

We giving up on coulibaly, looks so promising, although i believe his stats while on loan weren't great even though he wasn't played too much