The Daily ITK Discussion Thread

[JonnySpurs]

If there is one thing you seem to have failed to learn about Poch - he is a very clever manipulator of the press, and I'm not talking about the football tactic.

Thanks teacher but as it goes I'm not talking about whether he can or can't manipulate the press, I'm talking about saying one thing publicly that Levy will hear/read and then going against that completely by walking into Levy's office and saying the exact opposite. I don't think he's that kind of a man and I don't believe that Levy would appreciate it.

Imagine if it came out that Poch ended up leaving cos Levy wouldn't pay him what he wanted. I think it would massively tarnish fans' view of Poch after he had said that he will not demand a new contract. I would personally lose a lot of respect and in my opinion Poch is the kind of man that leads by example. This would not be the kind of example to set anyone and it would reflect the intentions of a man driven by money as opposed to be actually achieving something great.

 

[WiganSpur]

If only he had a quater of the trophies.

Why should his financial value be determined only on trophies won?

If Sherwood had stayed on and we kept finishing comfortably worst of the best in 6th but he'd won a league cup do you reckon he'd be deserving of more money than Poch?

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Thanks teacher but as it goes I'm not talking about whether he can or can't manipulate the press, I'm talking about saying one thing publicly that Levy will hear/read and then going against that completely by walking into Levy's office and saying the exact opposite. I don't think he's that kind of a man and I don't believe that Levy would appreciate it.

Imagine if it came out that Poch ended up leaving cos Levy wouldn't pay him what he wanted. I think it would massively tarnish fans' view of Poch after he had said that he will not demand a new contract. I would personally lose a lot of respect and in my opinion Poch is the kind of man that leads by example. This would not be the kind of example to set anyone and it would reflect the intentions of a man driven by money as opposed to be actually achieving something great.

I think you are making too many assumptions. There is no reason to suggest that Pochettino would talk in honesty about HR matters in the press, nor that Levy would give a fudge about what Pochettino said to the press.

 

[WiganSpur]

Waiting until CL makes no sense because if we don't make CL Poch is exactly the manager to get us back in there. Maybe it makes sense for players but certainly not the manager.

 

[WalkerboyUK]

Poch supposedly earns circa £5.43 million a year. Mourinho and Pep stand at a whopping £15 million p.a

That's roughly just shy of £200k per week more, are we likely to match that?

Klopp...£7 million p.a
Wenger...£8.9 million p.a

I'd think it not unfair of Poch to expect to double his current wage to circa £11 million p.a, putting him nicely in between Klopp/outgoing Wenger and Mourinho and Pep.

You've named 4 managers there who've won more than Poch has won.
Three of those are proven winners, even if two tend to do it by spending a ton of money.
Yes, qualifying for CL three years in a row on our budget is amazing, but "double your wages" amazing?? No...

When we see trophies, then we can say Poch deserves parity.

 

[Japhet]

I'd happily forego any transfer dealings if we could get Poch onboard for a few more years.

 

[Gb160]

I find it hard to believe that he would publicly say what he did about it being up to Levy re. a new contract when behind the scenes he's making demands for pay rises.

Does seem a bit conflicted, when this is similar to what he's kicked Toby to the kerb for doing, ie demanding parity with the best in the league.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

He could also walk away a year after signing an improved deal.

We’ve had ITK that the players aren’t committing until Poch does... if Levy won’t renegotiate terms then Poch won’t hang around and neither will the players.

 

[blackburn]

Sorry but I'm a Spurs fan who loves Poch and what he's done for us, but if he's puffing out his chest and making demands he needs to get real. He'll leave eventually and us lot will still be here, the club is about the fans not one person. I'm in my 50s I've seen them all come and go, Levy has a project, Poch is an integral part but not the be all and end all.

 

[tommyt]

Like the human centipede in here - someone shits in someone else's mouth, it's regurgitated, rinse and repeat.

 

[absolute bobbins]

Why should his financial value be determined only on trophies won?

If Sherwood had stayed on and we kept finishing comfortably worst of the best in 6th but he'd won a league cup do you reckon he'd be deserving of more money than Poch?

Perhaps because that is how a lot of you determine Levy's success?

 

[murichej]

Chill, we got this. Levy is a businessman and I am pretty sure he calculated what revenue Poch brings in. It's a pretty simple equation and straight answer what's the best way forward for this club, from all perspectives.

 

[Spurs 1961]

Worried that the only ITK we have had is all negative. Have the club been making sounds like hold on for the new stadium and things will be better only to then turn around and say we still can't afford to pay going rates? Things don't come across as sounding great right now at the club yet just a few months ago all seemed sweet

 

[worcestersauce]

Pochottino is laying the foundations for how the club goes forward, I believe he is leaving the board in no doubt about how he thinks we should embrace the advantages of the new stadium. If he can negotiate a good increase for himself he sets the precedent which makes the statement that players current and targets will read as ambition. We are at the crossroads gentleman and there is a high level conversation going on at the club, personally I believe that everyone wants to go in the same direction and do the right thing it is just a matter of determining the velocity.

 

[Archibald Leitch]

Thanks teacher but as it goes I'm not talking about whether he can or can't manipulate the press, I'm talking about saying one thing publicly that Levy will hear/read and then going against that completely by walking into Levy's office and saying the exact opposite. I don't think he's that kind of a man.

I didn't say that. But I comfortably believe that he would use indirect means to put pressure on Levy to improve whatever offer is currently on the table.

 

[JonnySpurs]

I think you are making too many assumptions. There is no reason to suggest that Pochettino would talk in honesty about HR matters in the press, nor that Levy would give a fudge about what Pochettino said to the press.

I dont think I'm making any assumptions, I'm simply giving an opinion on the ITK based on what I've learned about Poch in his time at the club.

If you believe that he would not speak honestly in the press then why would he say anything at all? He was asked about a new deal and he gave an answer that states that he will not make demands in the same way that other big managers in the league do. He essentially said that he is not the kind of man that will make demands. He is the kind of man that will do his best and stay for duration of his deal and if Levy decides to offer him a new, longer deal then that is up to him to make that offer.

If he didn't want to speak honestly then why speak about it at all. Surely that's easier?

 

[robbiedee]

3 games to go. Finish the season in top 4, bring CL to new stadium, everything else falls into place.

Can't be arsed to shit my pants just yet...think we'll be alright

 

[JonnySpurs]

I didn't say that. But I comfortably believe that he would use indirect means to put pressure on Levy to improve whatever offer is currently on the table.

As I said to Everlasting Seconds above, he said he would stay for duration of his deal and if Levy decides to offer him a new, longer deal then that is up to him to make that offer. I personally don't believe he would say that and then walk in to Levy's office and completely contradict himself.

As I say, just my opinion, I could be way off but I like to think that I'm not on this occasion. Time will tell.

 

[cider spurs]

You've named 4 managers there who've won more than Poch has won.
Three of those are proven winners, even if two tend to do it by spending a ton of money.
Yes, qualifying for CL three years in a row on our budget is amazing, but "double your wages" amazing?? No...

When we see trophies, then we can say Poch deserves parity.

Did Levy not just double his pay as a result of performance related bonuses and pay backdated?

Just because Poch hasn't won anything yet, I think it's fair to say Europe's elite clubs see him as a top manager.

He's already been mentioned as a candidate for PSG, Real Madrid, Man Utd and Chelsea to name but a few. Maybe only by media and pundits alike, but make no mistake, he is very highly thought of at present...and on that basis, that costs you money in most cases.

 

[Clark28]

with the window opening mid May, will we be trying to get signings done before the WC, or wait until after?