The Daily ITK We haven't got a Clu-Doh! Discussion Thread - 19th June 2012

[beats1]

no, i havent said anything specific, i have merely pointed to numerous facts, relating to Levy & Mourinho's relationship and mutual respect and the boxes in Levys criteria that someone like AVB, would tick....Be sure, if I knew something substantive, I would convey....just dealing in facts....

Fair enough, sorry about that

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

That's probably because of the supposed ITK on here.

Why are you here then? If its 'supposed' feel free to vote with your feet

 

[Ledley's Right Foot]

If the AVB rumours are true I think it'll be the best things spurs have done for quite a while. Harry gave us great football, no doubt about that but I could never shake that feeing we were under-achieving with the squad and resources available to us. I also never had confidence he could unearth those never before seen gems in the transfer market, which is our main route to ultimate success given the financial landscape of the premier league. Prior to Wenger <spit, cough> Spurs and Arsenal had similar records. Wenger pretty much single handily changed all that through: 1) An eye for a great player at minimal cost (Vierra, Henry, et al) 2) Revolutionary coaching methods 3) Inspirational leadership. He took a team with the same financial clout as us and made it compete with the richest in the premier league. His power seems to be on the wane now through not adapting his style to changing circumstances but he proved it is possible for a manager alone to bring league titles to a club of our financial resources and I have been waiting a long time for us to identify that type of manager: 'the one'. I remember Mourinho winning the UEFA cup against Celtic and prayed we'd sign him. Not to be. I also remember Harry arriving at Spurs and declaring top 4 is the best we can hope for. Thanks for the great football but clearly you were not 'the one'.

Laurent Blanc? Not sure. Bordeaux had finished second in that league before he arrived, so they were already on the up. He then took them to 2nd again, 1st and 6th? A small increase and then apparent decline before he took the France job. I also don't know much about his football philosophy, he could be 'the one' but I'm not feeling it.

Moyes? Not sure. He can identify a player, he has inspirational leadership but his coaching seems more pragmatic than revolutionary and I think with a club Everton's size, even with their debts, I would have expected more European qualification and a trophy or two from 'the one'.

AVB? There's some doubt but not because of what happened at Chelsea; their squad finished where they deserved in the league, it needed an overhaul and he did well in those circumstances. He just had an impatient owner and, it seems, players at the end of their careers not happy with bit part roles. I'm not surprised he seemed to lose the dressing room. But, and I can't quantify why, he is the first manager we've been linked to who gives me the feeling of being capable of taking our team on a journey to ultimate success. He seems to have the drive, intelligence, know-how, football philosophy and connections. If he can spot a player, or employ a scout who can, he could have everything to transform us. Yes, it is a risk given his 'brand' now but the pay off could be huge. Worth a punt in my eyes. My only doubt is his personality. As I saw it, he was undeservedly hung out to dry by chelsea and the British media but unfortunately it seemed to affect him and his relationship with the players (based on his increasingly defensive media interviews). If he's learnt from that we could have a truly amazing manager to lead us. In short, I believe in him. He reminds me of a modern day Clough. He could be 'the one'.

Just some thoughts having followed these discussions for a few days. COYS!

 

[Yid1987]

Any1 noticed Jaspers info in the RO?? Sorry if already posted....

 

[VegasII]

Don't know. When have we ever had a manager with any degree of facial hair? I can't think of one.

 

[andyp8080]

interesting new stuff on RO........surely we can't secure Ade or anyone else until manager sorted

 

[eViL]

You lot make me lol about our big players revolting against AVB.

WHAT big players? VDV, Modric and Bale? Can you really see any of those three kicking off?

No, neither do I.

Dead wood is dead wood. Even if we sold Modric and Bale (I think Modric is a goner) in pre season, that's one hell of a war-chest for a new manager to put his stamp on things.

 

[Harry_Snatch]

That's fucking crackers. WAY too dry and prescriptive a style of management for my liking and probably most players liking. Let them do whatever the fuck they want so long as they ain't giving the bench the finger who cares? They'll do it if they like him anyway. It also shows he cares about the perception of the group to people on the outside - he shouldn't give a fuck.

Too young and too much to learn.

Like how to win the League and Europa in the same season. How to smash records.

That article has no evidence to suggest it's true. If we are going to believe every story the press writes about him then some peoples head might actually blow up.

 

[Ledley's Right Foot]

I might have to start calling AVB Neo.

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

When AVB was successful at porto he got rid of the most influential and older players in the dressing room, does that mean the end of Gallas or Parker?

Possibly, though he will know both from his first spell at Chelsea.

Friedel and Dawson will be most at risk IMO simply because they don't fit with his style of play at all.

 

[BuffaloSid]

tell me who wasnt and hasnt been a gamble?
Ferguson when he first arrived?
Wenger, similarly?
What had Mourinho achieved prior to chelsea?
Benitez?
Previous managers at Barca and Real?

They are all gambles, you can pick holes and find faults in all and their appointments but its all about risk management and balance. There are very few candidates that fit Levy's criteria and tick most if not all the boxes....

What had mourning achieved prior to Chelsea? Is that a joke??

 

[Supersi32]

Its looking more and more like AVB isn`t it....oh fuck is all I can say! Its not what I`ve read in the press about him that concerns me, its the absolute nonsense that comes out of his mouth....

That said if it is to be AVB then he will certainly get my full support, as would any other manager we appoint....

 

[WestBelfast Spurs]

You lot make me lol about our big players revolting against AVB.

WHAT big players? VDV, Modric and Bale? Can you really see any of those three kicking off?

No, neither do I.

Dead wood is dead wood. Even if we sold Modric and Bale (I think Modric is a goner) in pre season, that's one hell of a war-chest for a new manager to put his stamp on things.

I agree with ya mate plus whatever levy is holding onto

 

[Spurs_Bear]

I'd just like him to have the odd drink of water before his press conferences. He'd sound do much better.

 

[tiger666]

Its looking more and more like AVB isn`t it....oh fuck is all I can say! Its not what I`ve read in the press about him that concerns me, its the absolute nonsense that comes out of his mouth....

He could come out and say he wears women's knickers for all I care. If he does the job on the pitch it's all good for me.

 

[liam17oi]

I would be really happy with Villas-Boas. Young and ambitious with a great philosophy. His Chelsea spell should really be disregarded as you all know who runs that club. He's not my first choice, that remains Blanc, but I would be more than happy with him.

I'm just not so sure he's a nailed on certainty...

 

[jimmyh]

Where we that busy basking in the glory of the wonderful attacking football that we were playing that we did not realise what was happening at Chelski under AVB that we now think he is an upgrade on Harry and is going to be the answer to a more sustained assualt on the top 4 or title.

I think we would be seriously deluded if we think that AVB is what we need. Could not do the job first time around so what has changed to all of a sudden make this man the messiah we have been looking for.

I think Mr Levy has made a very big mistake and unfortunately us as fans are going to be the ones paying for it.

We will be the laughing stock of the football world if this appointment is confirmed.

 

[Ledley's Right Foot]

We are better equipped for a few reasons IMO.

1) As most people have pointed out Chelsea are not quick enough in the back 4 to play AVB wanted. Cole is the only one with pace. However, at Spurs both FB's (Walker and BAE) are quick as are the replacement FB's. Kaboul is also quick.

2) Chelsea haven't got enough energy in the middle of the park either to press and close down high up the pitch. The only one with lots of energy and a bit of a willingness to do it is Ramires IMO.

3) The whole philosophy at Chelsea going back to when JM was there was to sit back and play on the counter or score from set pieces. Hence why they were masters at winning 1-0. Therefore for the past 6-7 years or longer they have played that way, are comfortable with it and so when asked to do something different which involves more work rate when they are now reaching the latter years of their careers he was always going to be faced with stiff opposition. Our midfield players are capable of getting around the field, we have pace in abundance and are able to close down high up the field. In fact, IMO we are a better team when we do so against some opposition as we are always likely to concede when we sit back and invite pressure. Just my opinion of course.

4) Re: Centre Halves - No matter who the manager is there is no way any manager would play with space between centre halves when defending. No chance at all. He may have encouraged it in possession but certainly wouldn't have when out of possession.

And don't forget, he was probably instructed by the owner to change their style of play. Chelsea have been concerned with their 'brand' for sometime and that includes a need to play a certain way. AVB was appointed to lead that change. In that sense, what choice did he have other than to begin the transition into attacking football. He may well have been more pragmatic about his tactics in his first season had the brief been different. I imagine he expected to be back for a season or two through the transition, which, realistically, is how long it would have taken. As for our squad, attacking football is not the problem here

 

[mil1lion]

So there is a lot of talk from varous ITK now about AVB coming in? I'm off to bet money on Blanc.

 

[supachan]

I think I'd genuinely shed a tear of joy if we ever bought Falcao. Stranger things have happened I guess

Your not alone pal would solve all our problems upfront at once