The Deadline Day ITK Discussion Thread - 1st September

[BujuBanton]

really dont even know what this means

It means we didnt replace kane

but we felt it necessary to announce meaningless partnerships that no one gives a fluff about

 

[absolute bobbins]

I rate the window as a 0/10.

Why? I hear you ask.

The club did not meet the requirements to earn a score above zero. The requisite number of competent players in needed positions were not acquired.

if we had signed an additional defender who could play in Ange’s style then it would have been a 4.

If we had actually cleared out the players who are surplus to requirements it would have been a 6.

If we had signed an excellent young striker, with pedigree to replace Kane it would have been an 8.

if we had managed to have Kane sign his final professional contract with Spurs, 9.

 

[stormfly]

If we get incredibly lucky with injuries then we’ve had a good window. If we get the usual amount of injuries then we’ve had a shocking window Let’s hope we get incredibly lucky for once.

 

[worcestersauce]

how so? Where did the Kane / tv money go this summer? Because it wasn't all spent on incomings we know that

My understanding is that with Dier, Hojbjerg, Sanchez, Lloris and Ndombele all still on the wage bill we were restricted and that is why it mattered so much to shift them and why we weren't free to spend what you refer to as the Kane/tv money.
Whether or not I like that or agree with it doesn't matter but I think that's the case.

 

[Pekoni]

Average window where we're once again left short, but then again, we're actually finally rebuilding i.e., buying good young players to replace our dross, and not doing stupid panic buys.

 

[azza]

You need to look at cash flow statement not profit. You can see that surplus money goes on acquisition of plant, property amd equipment. ENIC strategy is to build up balance sheet value to enable them to take money out through sale.

Every action taken is viewed through the lens of " does this increase the sale value to the club"
Frustrating but not much we can do. At first those interests were aligned with fans but not anymore hence the disillusionment

 

[Metalhead]

“Every penny is invested back into the club” - Daniel Levy

Harry Kane sold for £100m with £200k a week stripped from the wage bill. Brennan Johnson was bought for £37.5m who will be on a fraction of that £200k a week..

Summer 2022, the club had an additional £50m investment that wasn’t invested..

That should leave £112.5m in the club accounts..

Even if people argue where the match day revenue and TV coverage rights go, you can’t argue any of the above.

We are 2 injuries away from a crisis at centre back. With £112.5m to spend, we could have overpaid for 1 young centre back so not to leave Ange in the lurch.

Every penny has NOT been invested in the club, Daniel. This is quite simply a barefaced lie. Don’t lie to the people that invest in the club.

Maybe "invested back into the club" doesn't mean "invested back into the squad". I am NOT defending him - it has a disingenuous slant to it but the club doesn't necessarily specifically mean the players.

 

[elfy]

Well if they’re public accounts then they must be true. No company ever tries to be ‘creative’ with their accounts do they!? All very trustworthy I’m sure..

I mean, forget the fact that we generate such vast amounts of money every home game, forget that we are the 9th richest.. yes richest club in the world, whilst selling one of our greatest ever players for a huge sum. Being a club with enormous FFP headroom. All these things say money, money, money.

You can’t have it both ways, by pleading poverty but making such vast amounts of money at the same time. Why do people find it hard to add everything together and question what’s actually happening!?

There is not an accountancy firm on earth that would sign off on dodgy accounts, not a reputable one anyway.

We are not a rich club, we are a valuable club. All our 'wealth' is tied up IN the club. We post good revenue, but do not turn a profit. Like the old adage: turnover is vanity, profit is sanity.

It's like the pensioner who lives in a £2m house but can't pay the electric bill.

Everyone keeps talking like we have all this money to spend, where is it?

The clubs accounts show every penny bought in is spent on the club, and more.

 

[HildoSpur]

I think if we had not sold Kane this would have been an 8/10 window - as it is with Kane leaving it's probably a 5/6 at best. Had we managed to bring in one more CB however it would have been a 7 - so overall not the worst window really. We have brought in some very good players who we needed. The big issue as ever is not getting another CB which the manager requested and yet again failing to get rid of players that should have left the club 3/4 years ago. I think the fact Udogie and Sarr appear to be ready to come straight in and improve the first team is saving us.

 

[worcestersauce]

In terms of filling all of the holes the window was a failure.

If you look at it from a straight hit/miss perspective of the players we bought, this has been one of our best windows in sometime. VDV looks like the makings of a young Vertonghen. Vicario will be our #1 for years to come. Maddison is by all accounts the signing of the season thus far in the PL.

Working with the simple fact that you can't fill a Kane sized hole with one player what first team holes didn't we fill?

 

[RJR1949]

I very much hope we have the long term replacement for Kane at the club.

He’s one of Scarlett, Lankshear, Veliz and Donley. I don’t know which one; that in large part depends on them. But I strongly suspect Donley will be an outstanding player.

 

[Russ1201]

Eze needs to be prime target in January along with a CB

Zero chance under Levy sadly.

 

[KILLA_SIN]

I rate the window as a 0/10.

Why? I hear you ask.

The club did not meet the requirements to earn a score above zero. The requisite number of competent players in needed positions were not acquired.

if we had signed an additional defender who could play in Ange’s style then it would have been a 4.

If we had actually cleared out the players who are surplus to requirements it would have been a 6.

If we had signed an excellent young striker, with pedigree to replace Kane it would have been an 8.

if we had managed to have Kane sign his final professional contract with Spurs, 9.

I think we fell short with the extra CB, we had the money so no real excuse. And there was plenty of good options.

No young striker really appealed options were limited or in the case of Muani it was 95M Euros in the end, Gift Orban no thanks

Players do not want to leave, and Levy is probably being unrealistic I can semi-agree with that

Kane was never going to re-sign he was desperate to get away

For me 5/10 the best we could have achieved was a 7/10 with an extra CB and maybe shifted 2 players on permanently. I Like PEH but if it helped bring a player in somewhere else I would take 25-30M. But Atleticos 15M offer was a piss-take.

 

[Led Revolver]

There is not an accountancy firm on earth that would sign off on dodgy accounts, not a reputable one anyway.

We are not a rich club, we are a valuable club. All our 'wealth' is tied up IN the club. We post good revenue, but do not turn a profit. Like the old adage: turnover is vanity, profit is sanity.

It's like the pensioner who lives in a £2m house but can't pay the electric bill.

Everyone keeps talking like we have all this money to spend, where is it?

The clubs accounts show every penny bought in is spent on the club, and more.

Are the match day revenue profits going through the club, or ENIC?

Tying money up in the club.. we’re a football club, the main source of trading is done in the transfer market! Football should be the focus, everything else SHOULD be secondary.

I‘m not saying they‘d have dodgy accounts! Rearranging revenue streams is a thing though.

Either way, HUGE revenue is being made every home match day. It’s indisputable.

”It’s like a pensioner who lives in a £2m house but can’t pay the electric bill”.. yes - yes it is.

 

[Dougal]

I’m not rating a window. I rate the club as follows:

 

[Majick]

So, with the window closed, this is where our squad seems to be (new signings in bold):

Goalkeepers: Vicario, Forster (HG), Austin (HG) = 3, 2 HG

Defenders: Perisic, Davies (HG), Sanchez, Romero, Porro, Royal, Sessegnon (HG, injured), van de Ven = 8, 2 HG

Midfielders: Hojbjerg, Lo Celso, Bissouma, Maddison (HG), Bentancur (injured), Skipp (HG) = 6, 2 HG

Forwards: Son, Richarlison, Solomon, Kulusevski, Gil (injured), Johnson (HG) = 6, 1 HG

I make that 23 senior players with 7 of them home grown.

Lloris, Whiteman (HG, injured), Dier and Ndombele would be the contenders for the remaining spots - but only 1 of Lloris, Dier and Ndombele could be included as we have 16 of the 17 foreign player spots filled. Best guess, Dier will be integrated into the squad as 4th/5th choice centre back.

Udogie, Phillips, Sarr and Veliz are under 21 players and don't need to be registered this season.

Trasfermarkt says that Lloris, Forster, Perisic, Dier, Sanchez and Austin have 1 year left on their contract. Ndombele, among others, has 2 years left.

 

[McArchibald]

Loris, Dier and especially that ff leech Ndombele cannot be rewarded for their sabotage with a place in the squad.

 

[Nebby]

how so? Where did the Kane / tv money go this summer? Because it wasn't all spent on incomings we know that

For starters, how much of the Kane money do we have right now? Did Bayern pay in full or are they paying in instalments? And if we spend the money in January, next Summer or some other time, how is Levy a liar? The idea that money coming in must be spent immediately is idiotic in the extreme.

 

[Real_madyidd]

I enjoyed watching the frenzy of excitement that people worked themselves into and then the disappointment of those imaginary scenarios not playing out. Well done SC!

Really looking forward to this season, want some good football and some bonkers scorelines.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

So, with the window closed, this is where our squad seems to be (new signings in bold):

Goalkeepers: Vicario, Forster (HG), Austin (HG) = 3, 2 HG

Defenders: Perisic, Davies (HG), Sanchez, Romero, Porro, Royal, Sessegnon (HG, injured), van de Ven = 8, 2 HG

Midfielders: Hojbjerg, Lo Celso, Bissouma, Maddison (HG), Bentancur (injured), Skipp (HG) = 6, 2 HG

Forwards: Son, Richarlison, Solomon, Kulusevski, Gil (injured), Johnson (HG) = 6, 1 HG

I make that 23 senior players with 7 of them home grown.

Lloris, Whiteman (HG, injured), Dier and Ndombele would be the contenders for the remaining spots - but only 1 of Lloris, Dier and Ndombele could be included as we have 16 of the 17 foreign player spots filled. Best guess, Dier will be integrated into the squad as 4th/5th choice centre back.

Udogie, Phillips, Sarr and Veliz are under 21 players and don't need to be registered this season.

Trasfermarkt says that Lloris, Forster, Perisic, Dier, Sanchez and Austin have 1 year left on their contract. Ndombele, among others, has 2 years left.

Just nitpicking but would class Perisic as a forward or attacking midfielder, it was only Conte who converted him to a wing back everyone else plays him up front and wide.