The Enigma that is Mr Berbatov.

[TheHatman]

Now i'm a big fan of the bulgarian but do some of you fellow fans think like me and just want him to leave. Now, i know what your saying how could you want to get rid of one of the best strikers weve had for a long time but if he was to stay i think it would cause mayhem within every transfer window,increasing specualtion about his future and will never be clearly summarised like it never is. His fat, wilderbeest agent Danchev is no help and he makes matters worse when you feel berba will stay but then his agent says he may move. If he was to leave it then gives spurs the opportunity to sign a quality striker (Milito,Huntelaar,Osvaldo etc) and move on from Berbatov speculation. If dimi was to come out and just say i will be at spurs for 2 more years then great, but if he has doubts i think the best option is to sell him and not let him run down his contract. Hell with a little bit of hope a certain mr bent might produce th goods for a season, but hey, lets not get too carried away.

Please voice your opinions.

 

[MarkTHFC9]

Welcome Hatman,

I personally want him to make up his mind aswell, but cant see anyone paying 30 mill tbh.

 

[totalspurs]

If we buy Huntelaar,and he has a successful first season in the Premiership..How long will it be before a Utd or Chelski come sniffing around for him? How long before we have the same circus of speculation about him joining a "big" club?

Until we have a bigger stadium, and have been playing in the CL for at least 3 consequetive seasons, will be in a position to tell other clubs to go f**K themselves, when they come sniffing around.

Until then if we have a top class player like Berbatov, we have to put up with it.

But hey it's better to have a top class player in your team who everbody wants, than a average player who body cares about.

I hope we keep him, and add more quality in other departments where we need it (ie.Midfield).

Then I hope all the top clubs want our new midfielders next summer...cos that is the sign of success.

 

[liberty]

If we buy Huntelaar,and he has a successful first season in the Premiership..How long will it be before a Utd or Chelski come sniffing around for him? How long before we have the same circus of speculation about him joining a "big" club?

Until we have a bigger stadium, and have been playing in the CL for at least 3 consequetive seasons, will be in a position to tell other clubs to go f**K themselves, when they come sniffing around.

Until then if we have a top class player like Berbatov, we have to put up with it.

But hey it's better to have a top class player in your team who everbody wants, than a average player who body cares about.

I hope we keep him, and add more quality in other departments where we need it (ie.Midfield).

Then I hope all the top clubs want our new midfielders next summer...cos that is the sign of success.

Ha ha. Rep! :up:

 

[Glenn_Purvey]

if we have berbatov next year spurs will be in a good position to win honours again in either of the 3 cups we are in and i fully expect us to push further up the league.

 

[Rupstoh]

He'll stay.

Can I just point out that Berbatov has not said a bad word about us.

If it were you, would you leave WHL?

 

[Kendall]

Maybe to United

 

[don1]

He'll stay.

Can I just point out that Berbatov has not said a bad word about us.

If it were you, would you leave WHL?

spot on have never heard him say anything bad about the club and why should he, i just wish people would lay off him and wait and see if he stays or goes but if he reads some of the stuff on here he will be gone, i can understand people getting frustrated about the hole thing but we really do need him to stay

 

[walworthyid]

For the record I think Berbo will stay for several reasons.

Firstly, I don't think any team will pay the money that would be required to buy him. This is partly because there is a major championship in the summer and to some extent that makes the window smaller especially when you take into account the fact that Rams will want to have as a full a preseason as possible with his players.

In addition, I don't think that Berbatov is unhappy and it is not in his nature to DEMAND a transfer in the same way as you could see many other players doing. How many players who are at clubs outside of the elite/champions league would not want a transfer to club inside the elite if they thought they could get one? Not many. Berbo is no different apart from the fact that he has the talent to play at the very highest level and with us being spurs loads of colomn inches are spent on speculating that he will leave. The same would be said of Modric if he has a great first season. You can be sure that if we are doing well and he is playing brilliantly that there will be speculation that he will be moving to Man U/Chelsea etc in the January window.

The fact is that we have to put with that and so does he.

In terms of his actual value to ourteam and the effect his departure would have on our chances of breaking into the top 4 over the next couple of seasons it is not as simple as it may seem. Obviously, we will be better for having him but it must be seen in the contxt of us having a better team overall.

The best team we have had in a generation contained players that are not of a superior quality to the ones we have now. Davids, Carrick, Tainio, Mido, Lee, Stalteri etc are not individually going to make us into a top 4 team but as a collective they very nearly did. It is not just about the quality of the indivduals but of the blend of players in the team and squad.

I feel that if we have a creative central midfield player and a top quality holding player as well as a left side we will be far less reliant on Berbatov and to a lesser extent Keano having to create things out of nothing. Thus the role that our strikers will fufill in a better balanced team will be very different and the type of strikers needed will also be very different. In y opinion Bent would score as many goals as Keane or Berbo if our attacking play was able to create enough chances for him.

Watching Man U in the CL final made something very clear, especially in the second half. You need a striker that hold the ball up in order to win games when they are not going your way. We need a striker that can hold it up and take pressure off as well as create chances for others and score his share. We also need a striker that can score goals and that has pace.

Very often we have struggled against teams that put us under pressure and this is reflected in our record against such teams as wellas our record on the road where we are not dominating possession and dictating the pace of the game. Berbatov in our current team is not able to do enough to change the game when we are in such circumstances and I am not sure whether that would change even if we had a more creative and balanced team.

You can be certain that Ramos is aware of this and if he feels that Berbatov is able to change his game or if bringing in another striker will make a difference he will buy accordingly.

The bottom line is that Berbo is a great player that any team would want BUT, we need to win the games in which Berbo is not good and whether changes to the team will enable us to do that will be a large factor on whether we sell him and who we bring in to replace him if we do.

As it stands, Mido, a vastly inferior player, made us play better as a team and made us more effective away from home and in tough games than Berbatov has. Lookig at the way that Seville played I would say that Ramos will choose functionality over class and I think we will see that reflected in his purchases this summer and in the way we play next season.

I don't think we have REALLY seen Ramos' spurs team yet.

 

[KeaneIsKeane]

I don't want him to leave, I want him to add to his goal count here. He might be sulky and seem lazy at times. But he's our sulky, yet silky smooth Bulgarian damn it, and I don't want to see him playing anywhere else.

 

[johnmc]

I doubt anyone wants him to leave really, but some of us are getting fed up with the doubt surrounding him every transfer window. But that is modern day football if you have a good player then bigger clubs are going to be sniffing around. We do it all the time to smaller clubs than ours. I have two main worries about Berby. 1, I agree I cannot really see anyone paying our asking price. So we end up with one very unhappy player as the season approaches, one who does not want to play for us anymore. 2. Nobody comes in for him, because of the price, he sulks and has an unsettling affect on the club so we end up selling him for less but late in the transfer window, leaving us much less time to get a decent enough replacement. I would rather he went now, or hopefully come out and say I want to stay at Spurs, even sign a new contract that they would throw at him. Can't see it happening though, so the saga continues.:shrug:

 

[Bulletspur]

He'll stay.

Can I just point out that Berbatov has not said a bad word about us.

If it were you, would you leave WHL?

You like others hide behind the notion that because Berbatov has not said anything that he does not want to go.

May I point out that his agent does not own him like a commodity, he represents him. So take it as stated that what he the agent says can be taken as a reflection of Berbatov's thought process.

So please dont delude yourself.

 

[milkman]

If you knew that Man United, Barcelona and AC Milan where interested then that player could easily want to move! as they are all bigger clubs with CL football!

If he moved he would get higher wages, more fame, CL football and play with a better team.... isn't that what every football player wants? :shrug:

 

[pistol14]

it doesntmatter whether he has come out and said anything....he has a contract and if noone meets our valuation he will stay. Berbatov must know this and so what would be the poiny in him saying anything? I want him to stay for the length of his contract rather than cash in on him now because he is that good and with his help we could achieve hood things....also he is really good to watch!!

 

[liberty]

If you knew that Man United, Barcelona and AC Milan where interested then that player could easily want to move! as they are all bigger clubs with CL football!

If he moved he would get higher wages, more fame, CL football and play with a better team.... isn't that what every football player wants? :shrug:

I completely agree, he has no emotional ties here like us 'mere' fans. He wants to paly at the highest level, earning the most amount of money possible for the most prestigious club.

It's like how Cristiano Ronaldo wants to play for Barca/Madrid in his years to come. If United lost the CL final then I'm sure he could well have been off and he plays already for one, if not, the best team in the world.

 

[si_yidarmy]

i think his agent should bugger off tbh!

I am suprised Berbatov is associated with such a banker

 

[rez9000]

As bulletspur said, Dancthev is his representative. I believe that Dantchev is the one pulling the strings and I've advanced a theory about why he chose Spurs when he could have gone to Man U. But, ultimately, there is no possibility that Berbatov would have one objective in mind and his agent, another. If that occurred, Berbatov woud simply ask Dantchev to crawl into a hole and die (or words to that effect).

There are plenty of agents available, so if Berbs wasn't happy with Dantchev, then it wouldn't be difficult for him to find someone else to represent him.

This is a struggle between the club and the player. The club have said we don't want him to go, except for an exorbitant fee, and the player has effectively says he does. That's all there is to it.

But, Dantchev recently gave an interview in Bulgaria saying that in the next few weeks, Berbatov could become the highest paid player at Spurs, which suggests that no-one is willing to pay the fee we're asking, and he and his agent have had to backtrack in order to try and get something out of Spurs.

Berbatov has been the most frustrating player I've ever seen in a Spurs shirt, both on and off the pitch. I can't help laughing with delight when he pulls off some sublime piece of skill, like plucking a 60 yard pass out of the air and cooly slotting it home. BUt then there are times when he goes missing in matches. And off the pitch, he has allowed his agent to claw far too much airtime and newspaper ink, all to the detriment of the club.

These aspects make up for a difficult player and situation. On one hand, I want him to stay, on the other, I'm angry with the manner in which his time at the club has been handled and his insistence on allowing his son-of-a-bitch agent to keep mouthing off to the press. Still, what can one do? Mark my words, we're in for a hair-pulling transfer window.

 

[degoose]

For the record I think Berbo will stay for several reasons.

Firstly, I don't think any team will pay the money that would be required to buy him. This is partly because there is a major championship in the summer and to some extent that makes the window smaller especially when you take into account the fact that Rams will want to have as a full a preseason as possible with his players.

In addition, I don't think that Berbatov is unhappy and it is not in his nature to DEMAND a transfer in the same way as you could see many other players doing. How many players who are at clubs outside of the elite/champions league would not want a transfer to club inside the elite if they thought they could get one? Not many. Berbo is no different apart from the fact that he has the talent to play at the very highest level and with us being spurs loads of colomn inches are spent on speculating that he will leave. The same would be said of Modric if he has a great first season. You can be sure that if we are doing well and he is playing brilliantly that there will be speculation that he will be moving to Man U/Chelsea etc in the January window.

The fact is that we have to put with that and so does he.

In terms of his actual value to ourteam and the effect his departure would have on our chances of breaking into the top 4 over the next couple of seasons it is not as simple as it may seem. Obviously, we will be better for having him but it must be seen in the contxt of us having a better team overall.

The best team we have had in a generation contained players that are not of a superior quality to the ones we have now. Davids, Carrick, Tainio, Mido, Lee, Stalteri etc are not individually going to make us into a top 4 team but as a collective they very nearly did. It is not just about the quality of the indivduals but of the blend of players in the team and squad.

I feel that if we have a creative central midfield player and a top quality holding player as well as a left side we will be far less reliant on Berbatov and to a lesser extent Keano having to create things out of nothing. Thus the role that our strikers will fufill in a better balanced team will be very different and the type of strikers needed will also be very different. In y opinion Bent would score as many goals as Keane or Berbo if our attacking play was able to create enough chances for him.

Watching Man U in the CL final made something very clear, especially in the second half. You need a striker that hold the ball up in order to win games when they are not going your way. We need a striker that can hold it up and take pressure off as well as create chances for others and score his share. We also need a striker that can score goals and that has pace.

Very often we have struggled against teams that put us under pressure and this is reflected in our record against such teams as wellas our record on the road where we are not dominating possession and dictating the pace of the game. Berbatov in our current team is not able to do enough to change the game when we are in such circumstances and I am not sure whether that would change even if we had a more creative and balanced team.

You can be certain that Ramos is aware of this and if he feels that Berbatov is able to change his game or if bringing in another striker will make a difference he will buy accordingly.

The bottom line is that Berbo is a great player that any team would want BUT, we need to win the games in which Berbo is not good and whether changes to the team will enable us to do that will be a large factor on whether we sell him and who we bring in to replace him if we do.

As it stands, Mido, a vastly inferior player, made us play better as a team and made us more effective away from home and in tough games than Berbatov has. Lookig at the way that Seville played I would say that Ramos will choose functionality over class and I think we will see that reflected in his purchases this summer and in the way we play next season.

I don't think we have REALLY seen Ramos' spurs team yet.

gave you some rep mate, excellent post. I think berbatov will stay as well, i just hope that he comes out and says he will and wants to see where ramos is going with the setup that is in place currently. We really only need a good Left winger a good right winger to compete with lennon and a solid defensive midfielder for the tough games.

 

[Petyr]

As bulletspur said, Dancthev is his representative. I believe that Dantchev is the one pulling the strings and I've advanced a theory about why he chose Spurs when he could have gone to Man U. But, ultimately, there is no possibility that Berbatov would have one objective in mind and his agent, another. If that occurred, Berbatov woud simply ask Dantchev to crawl into a hole and die (or words to that effect).

There are plenty of agents available, so if Berbs wasn't happy with Dantchev, then it wouldn't be difficult for him to find someone else to represent him.

This is a struggle between the club and the player. The club have said we don't want him to go, except for an exorbitant fee, and the player has effectively says he does. That's all there is to it.

But, Dantchev recently gave an interview in Bulgaria saying that in the next few weeks, Berbatov could become the highest paid player at Spurs, which suggests that no-one is willing to pay the fee we're asking, and he and his agent have had to backtrack in order to try and get something out of Spurs.

Berbatov has been the most frustrating player I've ever seen in a Spurs shirt, both on and off the pitch. I can't help laughing with delight when he pulls off some sublime piece of skill, like plucking a 60 yard pass out of the air and cooly slotting it home. BUt then there are times when he goes missing in matches. And off the pitch, he has allowed his agent to claw far too much airtime and newspaper ink, all to the detriment of the club.

These aspects make up for a difficult player and situation. On one hand, I want him to stay, on the other, I'm angry with the manner in which his time at the club has been handled and his insistence on allowing his son-of-a-bitch agent to keep mouthing off to the press. Still, what can one do? Mark my words, we're in for a hair-pulling transfer window.

I think that's a false interpretation.

 

[rez9000]

I think that's a false interpretation.

Perhaps you'd care to elaborate?