The Formula 1 Thread

[thebenjamin]

I watched it with my heart pounding in the last 10 minutes, I'm not the biggest fan of the sport and haven't watched it properly since the Damon Hill days. However yesterday was the biggest load of crap I think I've seen from a sport in a while. I won't start watching it again anytime soon. How can you be over 11 seconds ahead of someone and the gap be allowed to nothing from no fault of his own. That's not a sport, it's not a level playing field. I admit I wanted to Lewis to win but if Max had won fairly I would have said fair play.

but that part of it - the safety car completely wiping out someone's lead - is completely normal and happens all the time. It was only the confusion with the back markers that was out of the ordinary.

 

[Spursmatty87]

The idiot could of red flagged it if they wanted a race. Would of avoid all the controversy.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

The idiot could of red flagged it if they wanted a race. Would of avoid all the controversy.

They didn't want a race. They wanted a new champion. They got what they wanted. Everything else is just noise.

 

[$hoguN]

The idiot could of red flagged it if they wanted a race. Would of avoid all the controversy.

They didn’t want a race they wanted a new champion

 

[SirNiNyHotspur]

The idiot could of red flagged it if they wanted a race. Would of avoid all the controversy.

Think this a case of horner got in his ear and he flopped last minute, weak leadership manipulated and his dirty tactics paid off. Red bull team have been classless all season, so much bitching, even in the race moaning throughout that nothing as expected going their way, yet they play all the dirty tricks they can and eventually something stuck, scum team top to bottom, was surprised perez didn’t run hamilton off, was extremely aggressive considering wasn’t his fight.

 

[Yid-ol]

One thing I keep seeing being mentioned is that it's 'any' car that has been lapped will un-lap under the safty car if that option is taken. People keep saying it's any car not all, but to me, if it's any, it means all cars that have been lapped? Not just a couple. Or am I reading that wrong....

 

[SirNiNyHotspur]

Just to add to that, Horner effectively go to say how the race should end, Masi was just his proxy, basically like a manager of the losing team 0-5 down telling the ref he should give his team 5 goals and then a penalty in the last minute to make it a match, absolutely disgusting, the equivalent happened in any other sport would be crazy, may as well watch WWE.

 

[duffman22]

Just to add to that, Horner effectively go to say how the race should end, Masi was just his proxy, basically like a manager of the losing team 0-5 down telling the ref he should give his team 5 goals and then a penalty in the last minute to make it a match, absolutely disgusting, the equivalent happened in any other sport would be crazy, may as well watch WWE.

I don’t like Horner at all but unfortunately Toto wasn’t much better yesterday. Telling FIA stewards not to bring out the safety car when Giovinazzi retired was just as bad. Team Principals should have no input on these decisions.

Don’t get me started on the negotiating in the last race for starting positions following the red flag. You can argue that it’s because Masi has been so weak that they’ve resorted to this but it needs to stop next year. Absolute nonsense.

 

[sly1]

I know most of us are moaning about how it was decided, and it was wrong, but F1 will get massive increase in fans from it... Because of the drama...

I don't think so. I haven't watched formula 1 for a long time because of the sense that so much of the sport is determined by technicalities and how far you push gray areas in the rules, with the actual sporting ability of the drivers being less important. I followed the race yesterday for the first time in years because of the excitement of the winner-takes-all last race of the season. With that ending, I just have to laugh and remind myself not to waste my time with that nonsense again.

 

[Wick3d]

They have released the comment Lewis made when driving stating that this is being manupliated. Fact is, I heard that yesterday just after the race...it isn't new information.

 

[NinjaTuna]

was surprised perez didn’t run hamilton off, was extremely aggressive considering wasn’t his fight

Oh come off it mate, that was some incredible defending, to help draw his teammate back into the championship fight. You've got your rose tinted specs on if you think there was anything wrong with the way Perez defended there

 

[Rocksuperstar]

Oh come off it mate, that was some incredible defending, to help draw his teammate back into the championship fight. You've got your rose tinted specs on if you think there was anything wrong with the way Perez defended there

Agreed, his driving there was phenomenal, bit of a lesson in defensive driving. Six seconds taken off of Hamilton's time in one lap? Top marks, clean, hard racing.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

Everyone arguing, throwing stuff around, Hamilton gutted, Max over the moon, sponsors everywhere, crazy last race with all kinds of mad shit coming out the other end of it that will have to be dealt with and here's Jean Todt and the FIA accountant;

 

[Matrix]

Oh come off it mate, that was some incredible defending, to help draw his teammate back into the championship fight. You've got your rose tinted specs on if you think there was anything wrong with the way Perez defended there

TBH I didn't like that either but its a team game and I thought Perez was good at what he did and was on the limit. But it just goes to show that Red Bull were doing everything in their power to beat Lewis and Merc and it took an official of the sport to give them what they wanted.

 

[Matrix]

Anyone think Jean Todt is complicit in this? Lewis would have overshadowed his boy Schumi and the Ferrari era he presided over...
I wouldn't be suprised if Hamilton doesn't beat it now anyway, seems like they don't want him being the man out in front.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

Anyone think Jean Todt is complicit in this? Lewis would have overshadowed his boy Schumi and the Ferrari era he presided over...
I wouldn't be suprised if Hamilton doesn't beat it now anyway, seems like they don't want him being the man out in front.

Bit of a stretch for me, you don't need to look further than attention. F1 revolves around money, money comes from sponsors, sponsors come when they will get seen and leading into the last race they had #1 & 2 in the championship table on equal points, controversy already, they would've been raaaaaaking it in with sponsors trying to get their names on the circuit somehow. Moneymoneymoneymoooneey... moooney!

Now it's over and F1 is still in the headlines, you know what they say - the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about - they are loving it. Yeah, the F1 portion of the FIA is going to have spotlights on it for it's honesty, consistency, governing, stewards, rules and all manner of other shit but all that is newsworthy and... well, you know the rest.

I can see what you're saying but I don't think he needs to be that bitter defending his "legacy".

 

[yankspurs]

Agreed, his driving there was phenomenal, bit of a lesson in defensive driving. Six seconds taken off of Hamilton's time in one lap? Top marks, clean, hard racing.

The only thing I would say is it looked as if he was trying to run Lewis off the track on a turn to regain the lead after he initially lost the lead to Lewis which is likely what led to Lewis to radio is “That’s just dangerous driving.” But Lewis stayed on the track so that was that. I think Perez should have just gave it up there as it wasnt his fight, but that was a remarkable job by him & he actually gained a fan. That was excellent driving & did his job. You cant be mad at that.

 

[beats1]

I remember why I stopped watching F1,

FIA has always been corrupt, the Concorde meetings were never fair. Bernie always wanted Ferrari to do well and would happily screw over McLaren, Williams and etc. because as Bernie openly admitted. F1 needs(at the time) Ferrari to do well as they bring the big money.

My other pet hate, the way Lewis Hamilton is talked about and often feel he suffers from subtle racism in a similar way to Black QB's

Who gets caught braketesting and is then given just a 10 second penalty which has no impact on where they finish?

Im referring to rejoining the track in a dangerous manner, its a standard 5 second penalty by stewards, Masi stopped it from being investigated to give position back But Hamilton was forced to brake to avoid Max which allowed Ocon to waltz through

 

[yankspurs]

FIA, Red Bull & Mercedes probably don’t want this court case thinking about it. So I wouldn’t be surprised if some sort of backroom deal between FIA & Mercedes is made. Probably extra money, Masi gone, etc. Max will keep the title. Its not his fault it was manipulated. It’s Masi’s for keeping on giving into Horner’s bitching & making favorable decisions throughout the last few races with Max’s dangerous driving.

If Lewis decides to come back next year, I think he’ll run away with the title & also likely probably wont be as calm & patient as he’s been with Max’s shit. He wouldn’t resort to deploying dirty tactics on the track but he’ll call it out now publicly & it would put pressure on the FIA to deal with it.

 

[Tucker]

Something definitely needs to change in regards to how the races are run. I don’t think the team principals should be able to talk to the race director and negotiate things with him during the race, or whine at him putting pressure to do something one way or the other.