The goalkeeper debate

[Berglad]

We arent going to keep clean sheets unless Woody and King play regularly; so above all we need someone who could organise the defence and inspire confidence. I can't see Carlo doing that with his punches. Gomes makes mistakes but he makes great saves. He entertains. So my choice is with Gomes.

I was thinking about this point earlier, Harry seems to be preferring Cudicini because he's considered the boring, safe option, while Gomes is the mad genius that will make great saves and big mistakes. Personally, I think Gomes is the much better keeper, but he's also an entertaining character and his crazy saves and stepovers in his box are fun to watch. On tv they always show Harry being pissed off when Gomes does stuff like that but I love it (at least when it doesn't lead to a goal!). People watch football to be entertained and its as important to me to have exciting players like Gomes, Modric, Lennon, or Berbatov as to be getting good results.

 

[peter123]

Gomes is a far better keeper than Cudicini. Sure he is a little inexperienced but that comes with time.

Everyone knows those mistakes are more likely because he does more in the box anyway. Overall I'm sure it balances out and we will concede more goals without him in there.

Its more important to buid gomes' confidence and coach the bugger to reduce the errors than to play a keeper who is going to concede more goals?

 

[PT]

Gomes makes mistakes but he makes great saves. He entertains. So my choice is with Gomes.

:duh:

This bit baffles the fuck out of me. What the hell do you want a fricking entertainer in goal for? It's precisely this reason why there is always going to be a question mark over Gomes.

I want a goalkeeper who goes unnoticed and does goalkeeping stuff, not hanging off crossbars during the warm up and punching instead of an obvious catch, and diving horizontally through a crowded six yard box so he can be considered to be "owning his area". He gets hurt a lot. He cries a lot. Then he plays again within weeks so he can't be hurt a lot.

For me, ever since seeing Gomes play against us two seasons ago, he is a liability, liable to make a world class save, then a galactical closs fuck up.

If that, by definition, is entertainment, then our defence will always leak goals and a clean sheet bonus will be a rarity.

Please note: I know I am in the minority with my opinion but believe me when I point out that it is not the definitive answer to bring Gomes back.

 

[defoe18]

Carlo aint the same keeper he was when he was at Chelsea, maybe it's the 2-3 seasons he had a Chelsea being the number 2, Cech's back-up and playing hardly any first team footie. He's not the player he was 3-4 years ago when he was a top quality gk.

Gomes on the other hand is a constant first teamer and i think this shows with his sharpness and other qualities, yeah Carlo not been a massive let down but i expect Gomes to be our number 1 now he's fit.

Thanks Carlo, but Gomes is back in town now

 

[fortworthspur]

to me its clear that Gomes is the better of the two. Sometimes it looks to me like Cudicini cant be bothered to come for the ball.

 

[Damian99]

Anybody know why Gomes wasn't selected today? Hasn't he helped in our only clean sheet of the season so far?

 

[littlemandefoe]

I think Gomes because he is taller and is far more agile. His reactions are better as well. I think his height though is the main reason because he can challenge better in the air better than Cudicini. Thats just my view on it though.

 

[Goldman]

Its not even close... Gomes should be starting.

He was pivotal in setting that fewest goals at home record last season. He has the right frame, the right reflexes, and pulls off amazing saves one after another. Ok he is prone to an error here and there, but as we have seen this season so is cuddly. Come on Harry, sort it out..

 

[SpurSince57]

Carlo aint the same keeper he was when he was at Chelsea, maybe it's the 2-3 seasons he had a Chelsea being the number 2, Cech's back-up and playing hardly any first team footie. He's not the player he was 3-4 years ago when he was a top quality gk.

Gomes on the other hand is a constant first teamer and i think this shows with his sharpness and other qualities, yeah Carlo not been a massive let down but i expect Gomes to be our number 1 now he's fit.

Thanks Carlo, but Gomes is back in town now

Was he really that great when he was first-choice at Chelsea? In my recollection he could be pretty error-prone then, and not much more inclined to come off his line than Robbo. The reason Mourinho promoted Cech was a series of horror shows in the pre-season games.

I agree, he hasn't been a massive let-down, and in fact he's come in for some very unfair stick in recent weeks. However, for all his eccentricities Gomes is surely the number one choice.

 

[sunnydelight786]

Was he really that great when he was first-choice at Chelsea? In my recollection he could be pretty error-prone then, and not much more inclined to come off his line than Robbo. The reason Mourinho promoted Cech was a series of horror shows in the pre-season games.

I agree, he hasn't been a massive let-down, and in fact he's come in for some very unfair stick in recent weeks. However, for all his eccentricities Gomes is surely the number one choice.

End of thread.......

 

[ultimateloner]

:duh:

This bit baffles the fuck out of me. What the hell do you want a fricking entertainer in goal for? It's precisely this reason why there is always going to be a question mark over Gomes.

I want a goalkeeper who goes unnoticed and does goalkeeping stuff, not hanging off crossbars during the warm up and punching instead of an obvious catch, and diving horizontally through a crowded six yard box so he can be considered to be "owning his area". He gets hurt a lot. He cries a lot. Then he plays again within weeks so he can't be hurt a lot.

For me, ever since seeing Gomes play against us two seasons ago, he is a liability, liable to make a world class save, then a galactical closs fuck up.

If that, by definition, is entertainment, then our defence will always leak goals and a clean sheet bonus will be a rarity.

Please note: I know I am in the minority with my opinion but believe me when I point out that it is not the definitive answer to bring Gomes back.

I never said that conceding silly goals is entertaining. Gomes pulls out acrobatic saves and shows character/passion. He is charasmatic. Carlo is colourless in comparison.

 

[hugrr]

Gomes is our number one, I don't know why Carlo's being picked in front of him. No offence to Carlo he's a great keeper, but Gomez is better in my opinion and should be number one. He gets better with game time too so he should have been straight in after the Preston game

 

[Bus-Conductor]

:duh:

This bit baffles the fuck out of me. What the hell do you want a fricking entertainer in goal for? It's precisely this reason why there is always going to be a question mark over Gomes.

I want a goalkeeper who goes unnoticed and does goalkeeping stuff, not hanging off crossbars during the warm up and punching instead of an obvious catch, and diving horizontally through a crowded six yard box so he can be considered to be "owning his area". He gets hurt a lot. He cries a lot. Then he plays again within weeks so he can't be hurt a lot.

For me, ever since seeing Gomes play against us two seasons ago, he is a liability, liable to make a world class save, then a galactical closs fuck up.

If that, by definition, is entertainment, then our defence will always leak goals and a clean sheet bonus will be a rarity.

Please note: I know I am in the minority with my opinion but believe me when I point out that it is not the definitive answer to bring Gomes back.

Your post and assessment baffles me.

He was the reason we lost that night against PSV. The entertainment comment was daft, but he makes less actual mistakes than Cudicini who has played a hesitant error strewn part in many goals this season (mistakes that Gomes would have been slaughtered for).

The problem that some fail to grasp is that Gomes's mistakes are pro-active and therefore more visible than the mistakes of cowardice that keepers like Robinson and to a lesser extant Cudicini make far mnore of.

Look at the fuck uo against Bham. The free kick against ManU (which Gomes saved an identical one against Preston a few days later). The howler against Burnley, and today.

I don't want a keeper that entertains either, I want one that does what Gomes does. One that isn't scared to venture off his line to clear danger, one that takes pressure off defenders who don't know what a dithering keeper will do, one that makes outstanding saves, one that is brave.

Cudicini is a decent back up but he is a shadow of Gomes, as are just about every other keeper I've seen in a spurs shirt since Pat Jennings.

 

[defoe18]

Was he really that great when he was first-choice at Chelsea? In my recollection he could be pretty error-prone then, and not much more inclined to come off his line than Robbo. The reason Mourinho promoted Cech was a series of horror shows in the pre-season games.

I agree, he hasn't been a massive let-down, and in fact he's come in for some very unfair stick in recent weeks. However, for all his eccentricities Gomes is surely the number one choice.

Yep i argee Gomes is the way to go, but Carlo was a good gk years ago when Chelsea had Ranieri i think, but that shows how long ago it was and i think he's living off old performaces really, id have Gomes every game!

 

[Son_Of]

gomes for me, he's simply better even when you factor in his calamity goalkicks. i was surprised to see carlo start today. and then his parry was very soft for their first.
against burnley he gifted them a great chance off a tame free kick.

today's second was benny's fault. not carlo's.

 

[Houdini]

I'll be more than happy to see Gomes back between the sticks, i just hope he hasn't gone rusty while sitting it out!

 

[robbiesavagehasbreasts]

I want Jimmy Walker.

 

[piedpiper]

i must be the only Cudi supporter on here. Yes he is not the complete keeper, BUT he gets my vote everyday over Gomes. I saw enough of the fumbling, punching when he should catch Gomes. As Bing mentioned they are both poor keepers. Cudicini is less error prone and that gets my vote.

ii still recall Keane banging his fist into the ground in a recent game where Gomes conceded a goal which should have been saved. i think it was against Birmingham, but could be wrong.

 

[loyalyid]

I can see why Harry went with Carlo today. He kept a clean sheet against Burnley, depsite a bit of an error, and selection is increasingly based on form rather than reputation, which is the way it should be.

However, I would expect Gomes to come back soon as I feel he is the better keeper. Carlo's ability seems to have diminshed, while Gomes is approaching his prime. Sure he can be erratic but he has put in some great performances and I think he will win us a lot more points than Carlo.

Not been on this site for many a month, but was interested to see what fellow Spurs supporters were saying about the keepers. I totally agree with the above quote, Carlo is a back up keeper, Gomes has the ability to save shots like Giggs free kick, Andersons second, plus he is much taller and comes for crosses, which Carlo does not, which means he can win us points through the season, which can mean the difference between qualification for Europe, whether it be Champions League or Europa League.

 

[loyalyid]

Your post and assessment baffles me.

He was the reason we lost that night against PSV. The entertainment comment was daft, but he makes less actual mistakes than Cudicini who has played a hesitant error strewn part in many goals this season (mistakes that Gomes would have been slaughtered for).

The problem that some fail to grasp is that Gomes's mistakes are pro-active and therefore more visible than the mistakes of cowardice that keepers like Robinson and to a lesser extant Cudicini make far mnore of.

Look at the fuck uo against Bham. The free kick against ManU (which Gomes saved an identical one against Preston a few days later). The howler against Burnley, and today.

I don't want a keeper that entertains either, I want one that does what Gomes does. One that isn't scared to venture off his line to clear danger, one that takes pressure off defenders who don't know what a dithering keeper will do, one that makes outstanding saves, one that is brave.

Cudicini is a decent back up but he is a shadow of Gomes, as are just about every other keeper I've seen in a spurs shirt since Pat Jennings.

Says everything I would say, well posted.:clap: