The January Transfer Scouting Thread

[Trix]

Hasn't De Vrij's form completely fallen off a cliff?

Thats how we get em.

 

[King of the Lane]

Hasn't De Vrij's form completely fallen off a cliff?

Not completely. Inter fans think he isnt doing as well this year but thats compared to him being phenominal in previous seasons. Some have questioned if its due to his contract situation as apparently he played similar in the last year of his contract for Lazio and then was great as soon as he moved to Inter. He is proper leader, played for Conte before and wouldnt cost much. As long as we believe his form will pick up again, I see this as being a very good deal for us.

 

[TomElRumi]

FWIW I went to the San Siro last week to watch Inter trounce Bologna... wasn't super impressed by Dumfries or Bastoni tbh. Skriniar looked far more composed and Acerbi was also decent (though he's getting on a bit). Federico Dimarco was class, but don't think we need another left back. Someone like Barella would add a lot of creativity.

 

[thelak]

Yeh agreed thats why I said 4 in Jan. Moura is nowhere near the quality we need for RW cover/rotation.

Realistically I think we'll end up with 3 players incoming:

CB - so Dier can become a rotation player
RWB - so we have a proper wing back on that side
RW - cover for Deki

We can then hopefully facilitate the following outgoings:

CB - Sanchez (sell / loan with an option whilst he still has some value)
RWB - Not sure we're going to be able to shift Doherty at all or Emerson in Jan, might have to wait until summer on this one
RW - Gil to go out on loan

Assuming we don't generate any incoming revenue in Jan, then that's a total outlay of something like £60-70m on those 3 players.

Then for the summer we can focus on:

Lloris replacement
Another quality CB (so we then have: Romero, Jan CB, Dier, Lenglet, Davies, Summer CB)
Kane rotation/competition and eventual successor

In theory if we can sell: Sanchez, Emerson, Ndombele, Lo Celso, Rodon & Reguilon then that should generate something in the region of £100m in player sales. We probably need £50m for a keeper, £30m for a CB and £50m for a Kane rotation player, so a reasonably small net outlay.

We can then go into 23/24 season with:

GK: Lloris | New GK
RWB: New RWB | Doherty
RCB: Romero | New CB
CCB: New CB | Dier
LCB: Lenglet | Davies
LWB: Perisic | Sessegnon
MF: PEH | Skipp
MF: Bentancur | Bissouma
RW: Deki | New RW
ST: Kane | New ST
LW: Son | Richarlison

Additional 25 man squad players: Spence, Udogie, Austin/Forster

These sort of wishful thinking posts make it sound so easy and assume a) we have identified the target b) can agree a fee c) have no competition for the signing

we couldn’t find a single buyer for most of the theoretical outgoings you have listed in the summer.

We’re going to buy 2 elite CBs, an Elite RWB and a successor to one of the best ever strikers and the French national captain GK by the end of the summer

In reality if we do 30-40% of this wish list it will be a good outcome

 

[Albertbarich]

Anyone think we may have missed a trick by not going after Martinez in the summer ?

I've been really impressed with him at United and he would look great on the left side of defence.

 

[BorjeSpurs]

 

[carmeldevil]

FP on his Outlook calendar:

July 1: Check Kim Min-jae contract

 

[TennesseeYid]

Hasn't De Vrij's form completely fallen off a cliff?

As had Deki and Rodrigo’s…. I only partially joke

 

[Teegart]

I have a sneaky feeling this rumoured “Wolves warchest” in January might end up helping us. They are apparently after two forwards and they need defenders.

I know Jorge Mendes isn’t peoples favourite, but conceivably we could do to Wolves what Liverpool did to us in January with Diaz. If the calibre of certain players match who were like to bring in, they could end up doing the ground work for us.

At the very worst case it won’t hurt. If the players they go for aren’t to our standard then no loss, but if we get wind a certain player we like is available via Wolves chasing, it might make it easier to swoop in.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Thing is they already seem to have quite a lot of quality/potential in that LWF position. Martinelli is having a proper breakout season, with 5 goals and 2 assists already this season and now made it into the Brazil squad. They still have high hopes for Smith-Rowe. Arsenal themselves might feel they need to strengthen in other areas of the pitch first rather than spunking all their budget on Mudryk who won't be cheap.

Agree, Martinelli looks very good, unfortunately, im not sure why they would wan't to get someone else who would likely take his starting spot. And as you mention Smith-Rowe looks a prospect as well. I know we have Son but with his age it would make more sense for us to spend large on a quality up and coming wide player who will eventually take over from Son.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Hasn't De Vrij's form completely fallen off a cliff?

Yes, he's lost pace (not that he was particularly fast to begin with) and hasn't been able to adapt his positioning to account for being slower. Gets caught out a lot these days. Think he'd get ruined in the PL.

 

[brasil_spur]

These sort of wishful thinking posts make it sound so easy and assume a) we have identified the target b) can agree a fee c) have no competition for the signing

we couldn’t find a single buyer for most of the theoretical outgoings you have listed in the summer.

We’re going to buy 2 elite CBs, an Elite RWB and a successor to one of the best ever strikers and the French national captain GK by the end of the summer

In reality if we do 30-40% of this wish list it will be a good outcome

It’s time to shit or get off the pot.

There’s no point building a world class Stadium and training ground and hiring an elite coach and his staffing team, getting a £150m investment into the club from the owner and then not aiming for this, but especially when you’ve bought in a world class DoF in Paratici to make it happen.

I’m also not saying we need a raft of £100m players either. Lloris, Son and more recently Deki, Romero and Bentancur shows that you can get the right quality players in for a price that works for us.

I get that the stadium build and then COVID set is back a bit, but the club need to (and I believe will) step up and do what’s needed now.

 

[djhotspur]

Yeh agreed thats why I said 4 in Jan. Moura is nowhere near the quality we need for RW cover/rotation.

Realistically I think we'll end up with 3 players incoming:

CB - so Dier can become a rotation player
RWB - so we have a proper wing back on that side
RW - cover for Deki

We can then hopefully facilitate the following outgoings:

CB - Sanchez (sell / loan with an option whilst he still has some value)
RWB - Not sure we're going to be able to shift Doherty at all or Emerson in Jan, might have to wait until summer on this one
RW - Gil to go out on loan

Assuming we don't generate any incoming revenue in Jan, then that's a total outlay of something like £60-70m on those 3 players.

Then for the summer we can focus on:

Lloris replacement
Another quality CB (so we then have: Romero, Jan CB, Dier, Lenglet, Davies, Summer CB)
Kane rotation/competition and eventual successor

In theory if we can sell: Sanchez, Emerson, Ndombele, Lo Celso, Rodon & Reguilon then that should generate something in the region of £100m in player sales. We probably need £50m for a keeper, £30m for a CB and £50m for a Kane rotation player, so a reasonably small net outlay.

We can then go into 23/24 season with:

GK: Lloris | New GK
RWB: New RWB | Doherty
RCB: Romero | New CB
CCB: New CB | Dier
LCB: Lenglet | Davies
LWB: Perisic | Sessegnon
MF: PEH | Skipp
MF: Bentancur | Bissouma
RW: Deki | New RW
ST: Kane | New ST
LW: Son | Richarlison

Additional 25 man squad players: Spence, Udogie, Austin/Forster

Only 5 hg players there though.

 

[brasil_spur]

Only 5 hg players there though.

6 - Davies now counts as HG. But yes to field a full 25 man squad we’d need to bring in 2 HG players as part of the 6 incomings.

One option, if he doesn’t get bought in the summer, could be to keep hold of Rodon as the extra CB now that he counts as HG.

Then for the Kane rotation player it might make a lot of sense to get an English player that Kane can mentor - someone like Brereton Diaz could make a lot of sense here.

 

[djhotspur]

It’s time to shit or get off the pot.

There’s no point building a world class Stadium and training ground and hiring an elite coach and his staffing team, getting a £150m investment into the club from the owner and then not aiming for this, but especially when you’ve bought in a world class DoF in Paratici to make it happen.

I’m also not saying we need a raft of £100m players either. Lloris, Son and more recently Deki, Romero and Bentancur shows that you can get the right quality players in for a price that works for us.

I get that the stadium build and then COVID set is back a bit, but the club need to (and I believe will) step up and do what’s needed now.

Exactly. I also find it pretty laughable the talk is that there is only 50

6 - Davies now counts as HG. But yes to field a full 25 man squad we’d need to bring in 2 HG players as part of the 6 incomings.

One option, if he doesn’t get bought in the summer, could be to keep hold of Rodon as the extra CB now that he counts as HG.

Then for the Kane rotation player it might make a lot of sense to get an English player that Kane can mentor - someone like Brereton Diaz could make a lot of sense here.

Does he? I must have missed that thanks make.
Yeah agreed, if maddison comes in it’ll help.

 

[leelee]

Yeh agreed thats why I said 4 in Jan. Moura is nowhere near the quality we need for RW cover/rotation.

Realistically I think we'll end up with 3 players incoming:

CB - so Dier can become a rotation player
RWB - so we have a proper wing back on that side
RW - cover for Deki

We can then hopefully facilitate the following outgoings:

CB - Sanchez (sell / loan with an option whilst he still has some value)
RWB - Not sure we're going to be able to shift Doherty at all or Emerson in Jan, might have to wait until summer on this one
RW - Gil to go out on loan

Assuming we don't generate any incoming revenue in Jan, then that's a total outlay of something like £60-70m on those 3 players.

Then for the summer we can focus on:

Lloris replacement
Another quality CB (so we then have: Romero, Jan CB, Dier, Lenglet, Davies, Summer CB)
Kane rotation/competition and eventual successor

In theory if we can sell: Sanchez, Emerson, Ndombele, Lo Celso, Rodon & Reguilon then that should generate something in the region of £100m in player sales. We probably need £50m for a keeper, £30m for a CB and £50m for a Kane rotation player, so a reasonably small net outlay.

We can then go into 23/24 season with:

GK: Lloris | New GK
RWB: New RWB | Doherty
RCB: Romero | New CB
CCB: New CB | Dier
LCB: Lenglet | Davies
LWB: Perisic | Sessegnon
MF: PEH | Skipp
MF: Bentancur | Bissouma
RW: Deki | New RW
ST: Kane | New ST
LW: Son | Richarlison

Additional 25 man squad players: Spence, Udogie, Austin/Forster

Udogie already in at LWB for next season mate.

 

[leelee]

Agree, Martinelli looks very good, unfortunately, im not sure why they would wan't to get someone else who would likely take his starting spot. And as you mention Smith-Rowe looks a prospect as well. I know we have Son but with his age it would make more sense for us to spend large on a quality up and coming wide player who will eventually take over from Son.

Isnt Richarlison best position at LWF?

 

[CookieYiddo]

Rashfords contract is up in June. Wouldn’t be a terrible HG option, good for rotation. Would grab a few goals for sure

 

[djhotspur]

Rashfords contract is up in June. Wouldn’t be a terrible HG option, good for rotation. Would grab a few goals for sure

Absolutely would be all over this if we could. He is very similar to son albeit quicker but with worse finishing

 

[brasil_spur]

Udogie already in at LWB for next season mate.

Seems highly unlikely that a 20 year old who has never played outside of Serie A and has no CL or even EL football experience is going to be thrown straight in at LWB for us, unless we get hit with injuries.

I see his development as being similar to Spence, perhaps slightly accelerated if he can get to grips with the Conte system quickly.

I fully expect both him and Spence to be in the named squad, with Perisic likely getting less game time as the season progresses and he ages. It's also why I could see us going for Cuadrado in the January window in a double deal repeat of last Jan where we pick up Cuadrado and McKennie from Juve - with them cashing in Cuadrado before his contract and with Paratici having a hard on for McKennie and him being out of favour at Juve who needs funds.

We'd then have:

RWB: Cudrado (experience but only 1-2 seasons left in him), Doherty/Emerson (younger but established enough but lacking in first team quality) & Spence (young future prospect breaking into regular first team as the season progresses)
LWB: Perisic (experience but only 1-2 seasons left in him), Sessegnon (younger but established enough but lacking in first team quality) & Udogie (young future prospect breaking into regular first team as the season progresses)