The Kyle Walker-Peters Thread

[IGSpur]

Your level of knowledge on the subject far exceeds mine, but I think you leave out/don't expand upon other strengths - he is adept at playing little give and go's, working in tight space, and he can work either wide or pop up and find pockets of space centrally to contribute. Plus his sense of adventure and he is willing to get really high up the pitch. Whilst he hasn't shown his dribbling ability much so far in his first team outings (probably a mix of the higher levels of opposition, confidence, and teams sitting back against us so less space), those things I list he has shown in his last couple of cameos, even at left back, such as the goal he got.

Purely as a guess here, going on the little I know of how professional players see the game and what they rate in others, those aspects - the close control, ability to work in tight spaces under pressure - they'll respect that and see he is comfortable and trust him.

I of course agree on all of that. I did undersell him, I think what I tried to answer was what was the main thing that stands out and catches the eye, or why might people rave about him. I think that dribbling personally, is the skill that gets you off the feet, and you think WOW, which I assumed is what he wanted to know. All those bits you said are true being able to turn out of pressure or trouble and intelligent attacking play and linking, which is probably developed from his time as a striker and knowing what to do in the final third, something a lot of FBs struggle with. You are right though, he has shown some of those aspects of his play, my fear is just that people watch him, and think, I don't get the hype he isn't doing anything impressive. Kind of like when Onomah is stuck on the wing, and people are waiting to see a trick, or him start dribbling at people which he isn't going to do, and then wonder what the point in him his.

He is also a hardworker, and I think the biggest compliment I can probably pay him at the moment, is that in both England games and the few games he's played for us out of position he has still looked the part

 

[mpickard2087]

I of course agree on all of that. I did undersell him, I think what I tried to answer was what was the main thing that stands out and catches the eye, or why might people rave about him. I think that dribbling personally, is the skill that gets you off the feet, and you think WOW, which I assumed is what he wanted to know. All those bits you said are true being able to turn out of pressure or trouble and intelligent attacking play and linking, which is probably developed from his time as a striker and knowing what to do in the final third, something a lot of FBs struggle with. You are right though, he has shown some of those aspects of his play, my fear is just that people watch him, and think, I don't get the hype he isn't doing anything impressive. Kind of like when Onomah is stuck on the wing, and people are waiting to see a trick, or him start dribbling at people which he isn't going to do, and then wonder what the point in him his.

He is also a hardworker, and I think the biggest compliment I can probably pay him at the moment, is that in both England games and the few games he's played for us out of position he has still looked the part

Yes fair enough, if he did translate his dribbling ability to the first team level then that would be the wow factor. Even if he doesn't and matures as a player as we say he has a lot in his locker to fall back on and is a well rounded player, especially when we have the ball. Would be a shame if he never gets that prolonged first team chance and opportunities.

 

[IGSpur]

Yes fair enough, if he did translate his dribbling ability to the first team level then that would be the wow factor. Even if he doesn't and matures as a player as we say he has a lot in his locker to fall back on and is a well rounded player, especially when we have the ball. Would be a shame if he never gets that prolonged first team chance and opportunities.

Yes as you main point suggests he has more than enough ability in other areas of his game to still be a very good PL fullback even were he not to show his dribbling. I also think he would be very reliable as he isn't one to make rash decisions. Let's keep our fingers crossed

 

[WiganSpur]

I always think dribbling is underrated for a full back. A combination of that and delivery is deadly. These days they need to play like traditional wingers.

The problem with Trippier is when he gets into the right areas to cross he's very good, but over the past few games i've noticed teams working him out a bit more, getting tighter to prevent the early cross. What Trips doesn't have in his locker is an ability to beat his man, and that is a limitation of his when defenders get tight. Aurier has similar problems to a lesser extent, and i'm hoping that he will be more daring going forwards when he gets sharper.

Walker was very good at knocking the ball past a defender and using his raw pace to beat a man and create space. The problem was his delivery.

If you merged Trippier and Walker, you'd have the best full back in the world by some distance.

 

[dondo]

The more this season has gone on, the more annoyed I’m getting with our right back situation. It was the perfect time to introduce kwp when we sold Walker.
I like trippier and I think he should have started the season as 1st choice with kwp as back up. If we would have done that I’m convinced kwp would be our no 1 now

 

[punky]

The more this season has gone on, the more annoyed I’m getting with our right back situation. It was the perfect time to introduce kwp when we sold Walker.
I like trippier and I think he should have started the season as 1st choice with kwp as back up. If we would have done that I’m convinced kwp would be our no 1 now

With Trippier's fitness in question at the start of the season and KWP not even made his debut at that point, there is no way we could we could chance it. We needed experienced cover.

However, there has been numerous chances for KWP to get game time in the cups and league. His debut alone earned more starts. It's very disappointing. If I were him, i'd be wanting to go to a club that will play me.

 

[dondo]

With Trippier's fitness in question at the start of the season and KWP not even made his debut at that point, there is no way we could we could chance it. We needed experienced cover.

However, there has been numerous chances for KWP to get game time in the cups and league. His debut alone earned more starts. It's very disappointing. If I were him, i'd be wanting to go to a club that will play me.

I have to disagree. Trippiers injury wasn’t that bad and I feel like aurier has had a bedding in season at best. Would kwp been any worse than aurier?

 

[DogsOfWar]

Trippier is a solid RB who allows us to rotate, same as Davies on the left.
I believe had Aurier performed as the main RB then KWP would have been used more.
But with Serge struggling Trippier became the main man stopping KWP getting game time.
I suspect this summer Poch will evaluate Trippier and Aurier and make a decision to keep one of them allowing KWP to rotate.
I also suspect it will be Aurier as I think he has more natural ability.

 

[EQP]

I respect your posts IMMENSELY! I personally feel that Poch doesn’t back his words with the youngsters, and we both know that s lot of the very talented academy are not convinced in what he says.

I know very closely the true feelings of KWP, and you are on the money re his career. I know McDermott is digging his heels in over KWP, and even Onomah, but this is not the thread for that one. Critical times all round, as the first team rave about KWP ?

This is the scary part. Our advantage with young prospects was the fact that Poch and the coaching staff would help you improve and you would (with hard work and focus) get opportunities in the first team. We can't go toe to toe with Man CIty/Manu/Chelsea etc with regards to transfer fees, so being able to convince talented youth players that they should sign for us is going to be vital.

 

[mill]

Surely the best solution for next season is a loan, he gets experience and we can work out if aurier is worth keeping or not

 

[mill]

This is the scary part. Our advantage with young prospects was the fact that Poch and the coaching staff would help you improve and you would (with hard work and focus) get opportunities in the first team. We can't go toe to toe with Man CIty/Manu/Chelsea etc with regards to transfer fees, so being able to convince talented youth players that they should sign for us is going to be vital.

Seems like that’s been pretty much abandoned imo

 

[DJS]

I’ll be so pissed off if we lose him as he should be pushing hard for first team spot at right back and long-term I feel offers far more than Trippier or foul-ball throwing Aurier.

 

[C0YS]

The kid as bundles of technical ability, and throughput his age groups, since converting to a defender, I have not seen anyone, including first team, get the better of him. He has ridiculous ability to maintain composure in tight spots. He always seems in control.

He is quite quick, and certainly not slow, and very tenacious.

I really do rate him. But Robbie Willmott got the better of him for newport, admittedly KWP was playing left back that they, but he really didn't look quite ready in that game.

 

[mill]

I really do rate him. But Robbie Willmott got the better of him for newport, admittedly KWP was playing left back that they, but he really didn't look quite ready in that game.

I think it’d be better to judge him off a run of games with our main players rather than one game out of position in a mixed up team

 

[C0YS]

I think it’d be better to judge him off a run of games with our main players rather than one game out of position in a mixed up team

Sure, but I think some people have already decided how good he would be, over the top.

 

[Hercules]

Sure, but I think some people have already decided how good he would be, over the top.

Not over the top!

If you only knew the calibre of teams in EPL & Germany, it would SHOCK you! I would personally be totally pissed off if we lost him. All through the academy, into his games for England, he has been one of the most sort after, and stand out players. As far as I am concerned, aside from experience, Trippier cannot lace his boots!!!

 

[IGSpur]

I really do rate him. But Robbie Willmott got the better of him for newport, admittedly KWP was playing left back that they, but he really didn't look quite ready in that game.

And while a League 2 footballer got the better of him in one game in his weak position, he also got the better of a Premier League winger in his strongest position. Everyone can play the game of naming a one-off poor performance. I'm sure some of our experienced first teamers played poorly against Rochdale and Newport so I don't know what it really shows.

Sure, but I think some people have already decided how good he would be, over the top.

On the contrary, the people who rate him and have followed him are also the ones who are very wary that he will need time and may not show he is top class in his first season. The balance of watching the academy and suggesting what players need to be promoted, is knowing how much to praise them to convince fans that they should get a chance in the first team, but then knowing that fans will expect them to come in and instantly be class due to the praise. It is all relative. I think if KWP played 5/6 games people would soon start saying he is better than Trippier

 

[ardiles]

If we get a good fee for him, I think Trippier will be gone this summer.

We'll give Aurier a full pre-season and see how he performs next season. If there is no improvement, then I think he's gone next summer.

 

[IGSpur]

This is the scary part. Our advantage with young prospects was the fact that Poch and the coaching staff would help you improve and you would (with hard work and focus) get opportunities in the first team. We can't go toe to toe with Man CIty/Manu/Chelsea etc with regards to transfer fees, so being able to convince talented youth players that they should sign for us is going to be vital.

Tbh I don't think that's a big concern. Young players who have played league football will still see us as an attractive place to come as Poch is good at developing those, so your Diers, Allis, Sanchezs. I assume you are talking about the academy prospects, like your Sanchos, and other top players from academies who haven't yet played for their first team. They aren't going to want to come to us, and it's also why a couple of our top players have left. People will soon cotton onto the fact that the best academy players at a club aren't getting games so if we're not offering money, wonder why they should come here. This won't be a loss as we haven't really done it in the last 5 years anyway, so going toe to toe with the Top 6 clubs appears to be the route we're heading down.

 

[IGSpur]

If you only knew the calibre of teams in EPL & Germany, it would SHOCK you!

Do you mean clubs after him?