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Matecheck

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IGSpur said:
See the bit you highlighted, isn't my opinion, it's my observation of the general fanbase once a young player breaks through. I'm just saying while everyone is worried and sceptical now, give it a few games and everyone will likely change their tune, to what I commented.


I know how fans works and after 5/6 good games people will go from doubting him to overrating him and instantly declare him better than Trippier. We have seen the same with Winks. After around 6 starts some fans thought he was better than Dembele, but I still don't think he is even better than Onomah, and I don't think Onomah is better than Dembele. Yet I had spent 2 years before that arguing that Winks was good enough to play for the first team, and being accused of overrating him. Now he has shown his ability against adults, if I was to say Onomah is better or has more ability than Winks, the same fans they may have believed me beforehand would now call me deluded as Onomah hasn't had the platform to show.

Fans will immediately move from one end of the spectrum to the other based purely on experience alone. I get it, proving yourself is a massive part of it, but it isn't half exaggerated as soon as a young player bursts onto the scene. Even outside of our club. Around 2 years ago, though he still appeared small, but right size for his age I said Sessegnon was ready to play in the Championship and would do well for Fulham because I know he'd get a chance there. At that time he was as an attacker he was not on Foden, CHO or Sancho's level. If I told people those 3 were better back then, people would accept it. Now Sessegnon as predicted gets his shot and performs well, but the other 3 are struggling for time(Sancho excl. now) being at bigger clubs, but anyone dare suggest they're better than Sessegnon they're laughed at. So much value is placed on experience, that no one is willing to listen to what anyone says about ability even when comparing on an even platform. Yet if these same guys were given the experience look at Sancho now in the Bundesliga then people start listening.




There is a difference between actual ability and ability to execute it. Before Kane, proved himself, there were fans who thought he would do better or be better than our current strikers. They had no 'evidence' as some would put it, but he went on that season to prove that he was better. At what point do you start declaring someone is a better player. At what point did Kane's ability improve beyond that of Soldado and Adebayor? Truth is some people could see at the start of that season he was most likely already better than them but he hadn't proved it. Was that a case of fling enough mud or were people just using their eyes having watched Kane loads and watched the other two loads. He had the ability at the start of that season but not the opportunity to display it. Truth is he may never have got the opportunity to prove it, or even in his EL games he may have missed one of his chances, as can happen and it may have affected his form, and we may have never have seen it. It doesn't mean that same ability was never there, it was just never shown or tapped into. Due to fortunate circumstances, we got to see Kane show it.

I personally believe you don't need to see players perform at the exact same level to make a judgement on who has more ability. I don't need Edwards to have played in whatever league to know he's a better dribbler than Livermore. I've seen World Class players and first teamers play u23 football and get bullied by 17 year olds but you then say the 17 year old can play 1st team and it's only against kids. It is possible to watch academy players over 20/30games assess their ability extrapolate it, make a mental adjustment and conclude that in your opinion they could perform better than a first teamer you've seen play 38 games if given the same chances. It is what managers and the like have to do in order to be able to give an academy player a chance. It is also what I do, granted your not going to believe some random fan on SC but similarly it is what scouts and other fans do with random signings. Take what they see from a different league and working out if they will be able to replicate it in another.

I believe KWP has more ability than Trippier, but I know that he will need at least a season and patience shown, to prove it. This isn’t to undermine Trippier’s ability but I am praising KWP. I came to that conclusion from watching their ability. It's not foolproof, nothing is, but it's fair.


FWIW I agree Trippier is a good RB, but I don't think he is top class, and I think from what I have seen of KWP that if he were given chances, he would soon look better than Trippier, and over the course of a season would outperform him. Equally, he could struggle for whatever reason and not look the part. After all Trippier was never good enough to make it out of the City academy. But I don't get why you wouldn't just try out the top quality players you have, if you (the manager) rate them, before deciding to splash 25m, on a player that will have to go through the whole acclimatisation process anyway. No one could absolutely say Aurier was going to be a success or any signing for that matter, like with anything there's a degree of guesswork, and I don't think believing the best RB at a top academy, having more ability, than a slightly above average RB is completely out of this world.

I know I rambled, but and probably went off topic, but some parts applied to your post. I think I'm improving
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Fvck rambling. Excellent post, Iggy.
 
DJS

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For me, last game of season and we've got top 4 I'd like to see Walker-Peters get a go at right-back.

I'd also like to see one of our youth forwards given chance on bench (maybe Sterling as seems little further along than perhaps younger Griffiths or Parrott?).

If we could utilise them as centre forward cover may save ourselves having to both getting another striker and can them spend money elsewhere.

Sterling scored during pre-season for us so surprised he hasn't been given at least an opportunity.
 
Blake Griffin

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DJS said:
I'd also like to see one of our youth forwards given chance on bench (maybe Sterling as seems little further along than perhaps younger Griffiths or Parrott?).

If we could utilise them as centre forward cover may save ourselves having to both getting another striker and can them spend money elsewhere.

Sterling scored during pre-season for us so surprised he hasn't been given at least an opportunity.
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none of them are available.
 
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Surely KWP will play on Sunday, it will be criminal if he dosent.
Also praying that Dier or Dembele are available because i never ever want to see the Sissoko Wanyama partnership again.
 
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Hercules said:
As I said!!!
More to it than that! But will not disclose. Is he good enough? Well you may be right, but setting the record straight. Henry knows his stuff. I am not bias because he is who he is.
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Don’t like disagreeing with you as you post great stuff but Henry is a moron I’m sorry - great player but that is it - and given Arsenal’s abysmal recruitment in recent years not the badge it once was to say we got to someone they wanted first - almost the opposite!

And unfortunately most of us have now seen Aurier up close. What he did at Toulouse in average team in an average league is just not relevant to a team trying to progress from top 4 up given we seen the huge flaws in his game multiple times this season

Personally been v disappointed in his defensive and attacking skills let alone ability to keep cool when it matters

Walker used to have his moments but not to this extent and Aurier is 26 - not an up and coming kid

Been saying it all season - KWP has looked solid when given a chance, is spurs through and through and I would back him not to dive in rashly in the box because he’s out of position and lost his man - Aurier is a genuine 50:50 in those situations
 
Hercules

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thelak said:
Don’t like disagreeing with you as you post great stuff but Henry is a moron I’m sorry - great player but that is it - and given Arsenal’s abysmal recruitment in recent years not the badge it once was to say we got to someone they wanted first - almost the opposite!

And unfortunately most of us have now seen Aurier up close. What he did at Toulouse in average team in an average league is just not relevant to a team trying to progress from top 4 up given we seen the huge flaws in his game multiple times this season

Personally been v disappointed in his defensive and attacking skills let alone ability to keep cool when it matters

Walker used to have his moments but not to this extent and Aurier is 26 - not an up and coming kid

Been saying it all season - KWP has looked solid when given a chance, is spurs through and through and I would back him not to dive in rashly in the box because he’s out of position and lost his man - Aurier is a genuine 50:50 in those situations
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My point in Henry, was not based on Serge, butvas a pundit et el. Knowing him, and talking with him, he is very fair, and on point.
 
spursfan77

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I think he has to be given a go on Sunday if he’s fit. He could really be evaluating his options this summer you’d think.
 
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