The last time they won a Trophy

[Bulletspur]

I am tired of fans from other clubs and the media keep beating us with the stick that we do not win anything. It came to head when I heard an Everton fan this evening berating us saying the same thing.

In total, we have 2 league titles, 8 FA Cups, 4 League Cups, 7 FA Community Shields, 1 European Cup Winners' Cup and 2 UEFA Cups. Although we were the runners-up in the 2018–19 UEFA Champions League, we last won a major trophy in 2008, with the last decade being the only one we have not won one in over 70 years.

It got me thinking that I will check the last time they Everton, and then other current Premier League clubs last won a trophy. Here goes:

Arsenal FA Cup, Liverpool EPL, and Man City EFL Cup all last won 2020.

Chelsea - Europa Cup 2019

Man Utd - Europa Cup 2017

Leicester City - EPL 2016

Spurs - EFL Cup 2008

Aston Villa - EFL Cup 1996

Everton - FA Cup 1995

Leeds - Division One Champions 1992

West Ham - FA Cup 1980

Wolves - EFL Cup 1980

Southampton - FA Cup 1976

West Brom - FA Cup 1968

Burnley - Division One Champions - 1960

Newcastle - FA Cup 1955

Sheffield Utd - FA Cup 1925


The following 3 have never won any of the major Trophies

Brighton & Hove Albion - League Div 1 winners (Now Championship) - 2011

Fulham - League Div 1 winners (Now Championship) - 2001

Crystal Palace - League Div 1 winners (Now Championship) - 1994

So much for not winning anything. I am sure that a lot of fans from most of these clubs would like to be in our position where our winning history is concerned!

 

[Adam456]

Unfortunately I think the context here is that we don't win much for a 'big 6' club that has had and does have great players, has been involved in a couple of title races and hgot to the CL Final and has just built arguably the world's best stadium.

And unfortunately they would be right. From your own list, all of the other 'big 6' have won a trophy in the last 3 years. For us it was 12 years ago and we've only won 3 cups in 3 decades

That said and at risk of turning this into yet another trophies Vs progress debate, I also wouldn't get too hung up on exact numbers. Arse have won the FA Cup 4 times in the last 7 years. Are they considered a team of 'winners' going places or a club that's been in crisis for quite a while ? Would you rather be in their situation or ours ? I'd definitely prefer to be in ours...

 

[Bulletspur]

Unfortunately I think the context here is that we don't win much for a 'big 6' club that has had and does have great players, has been involved in a couple of title races and hgot to the CL Final and has just built arguably the world's best stadium.

And unfortunately they would be right. From your own list, all of the other 'big 6' have won a trophy in the last 3 years. For us it was 12 years ago and we've only won 3 cups in 3 decades

That said and at risk of turning this into yet another trophies Vs progress debate, I also wouldn't get too hung up on exact numbers. Arse have won the FA Cup 4 times in the last 7 years. Are they considered a team of 'winners' going places or a club that's been in crisis for quite a while ? Would you rather be in their situation or ours ? I'd definitely prefer to be in ours...

I was just putting the "last won" in context when compared to the other clubs. Yep, even Leicester who is not even in the "big 6" has won more recently than us!

 

[SecretLemonadeDrinker]

Newcastle won the Fairs Cup in 1969. It might not have been an officially sanctioned UEFA competition at the time but it was widely considered to be a de facto major trophy - the forerunner to the UEFA Cup.

 

[Shadydan]

I was just putting the "last won" in context when compared to the other clubs. Yep, even Leicester who is not even in the "big 6" has won more recently than us!

You can't put tribalism/bias and banter into any sort of context, we just have to win something and this particular narrative stops...ubtil they move the goalposts onto something else ?

 

[brasil_spur]

Unfortunately I think the context here is that we don't win much for a 'big 6' club that has had and does have great players, has been involved in a couple of title races and hgot to the CL Final and has just built arguably the world's best stadium.

And unfortunately they would be right. From your own list, all of the other 'big 6' have won a trophy in the last 3 years. For us it was 12 years ago and we've only won 3 cups in 3 decades

That said and at risk of turning this into yet another trophies Vs progress debate, I also wouldn't get too hung up on exact numbers. Arse have won the FA Cup 4 times in the last 7 years. Are they considered a team of 'winners' going places or a club that's been in crisis for quite a while ? Would you rather be in their situation or ours ? I'd definitely prefer to be in ours...

Agreed and we've also (rightly so IMO) concentrated on building a world class stadium that will see us through for the next 30+ years. Unlike the scum who's stadium is already dated and bland.

For me we've taken clear steps that have rebuilt our club into one that can be great again:

- Rebuild squad and get us "back in contention"
- Build start of the art training and academy
- Build start of the art stadium
- Hire world class manager and win some trophies

 

[SecretLemonadeDrinker]

- Rebuild squad and get us "back in contention"
- Build start of the art training and academy
- Build start of the art stadium
- Hire world class manager and win some trophies

 

[mumfordspur]

come on Bulletman your pre game threads are a great read
switch off what others say it is just white noise (as an example I dont listen to sports radio but I saw some click bait link about how a Spurs fan was ranting about Mourinho's boring football and he had to go - I didnt click but just smiled at it).

 

[UncleBuck]

Don’t get so hung up on it! We’ve been despised for years by most so any opportunity people get to bash us they will!
I bet if you looked back over the last ten years we’ve probably been in more semi finals than most, we just haven’t had that extra bit/luck to go further.
Fingers crossed that’s going to change over the next couple of years and if it does it’ll shut them up for a while!

 

[wirE]

Why not post this in https://spurscommunity.co.uk/index....-fans-are-saying-about-us-20-21.143470/unread

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Objectively speaking, I think it's a concentrated topic around Spurs because it is the club that comes the closest the most and fails the most. So the no winning trophy thing becomes prominent for that reason. We’ve lost many small finals, a few big finals, been in or around top 4 often, finished second in the league and reached multiple semi finals. So we've gotten soooo close but no cigar, in addition we often have a had a few world class players and managers of various fame and popularity, but who "had to leave to win things" and that makes it a topic about Tottenham.

 

[Gbspurs]

I am tired of fans from other clubs and the media keep beating us with the stick that we do not win anything. It came to head when I heard an Everton fan this evening berating us saying the same thing.

In total, we have 2 league titles, 8 FA Cups, 4 League Cups, 7 FA Community Shields, 1 European Cup Winners' Cup and 2 UEFA Cups. Although we were the runners-up in the 2018–19 UEFA Champions League, we last won a major trophy in 2008, with the last decade being the only one we have not won one in over 70 years.

It got me thinking that I will check the last time they Everton, and then other current Premier League clubs last won a trophy. Here goes:

Arsenal FA Cup, Liverpool EPL, and Man City EFL Cup all last won 2020.

Chelsea - Europa Cup 2019

Man Utd - Europa Cup 2017

Leicester City - EPL 2016

Spurs - EFL Cup 2008

Aston Villa - EFL Cup 1996

Everton - FA Cup 1995

Leeds - Division One Champions 1992

West Ham - FA Cup 1980

Wolves - EFL Cup 1980

Southampton - FA Cup 1976

West Brom - FA Cup 1968

Burnley - Division One Champions - 1960

Newcastle - FA Cup 1955

Sheffield Utd - FA Cup 1925


The following 3 have never won any of the major Trophies

Brighton & Hove Albion - League Div 1 winners (Now Championship) - 2011

Fulham - League Div 1 winners (Now Championship) - 2001

Crystal Palace - League Div 1 winners (Now Championship) - 1994

So much for not winning anything. I am sure that a lot of fans from most of these clubs would like to be in our position where our winning history is concerned!

This is pretty selective and there are 2 issues with it for me.

1. It doesn't take into consideration sides like Wigan or Portsmouth. I appreciate they aren't aspirational sides but I think the larger point is that lesser sides than us have picked up trophies
2. It doesn't consider volume so paints an overly glorified image. How many trophies have Liverpool, Arsenal, Utd, Chelsea or Man City won since our singular trophy in the last 12 years?

 

[Metalhead]

Newcastle won the Fairs Cup in 1969. It might not have been an officially sanctioned UEFA competition at the time but it was widely considered to be de facto major trophy - the forerunner to the UEFA Cup.

I've suggested that to my friends who support Newcastle to cheer them up after last night.

 

[Metalhead]

This is pretty selective and there are 2 issues with it for me.

1. It doesn't take into consideration sides like Wigan or Portsmouth. I appreciate they aren't aspirational sides but I think the larger point is that lesser sides than us have picked up trophies
2. It doesn't consider volume so paints an overly glorified image. How many trophies have Liverpool, Arsenal, Utd, Chelsea or Man City won since our singular trophy in the last 12 years?

Good point. I think that it shows that trophies by themselves don't tell the whole story. Brilliant for Wigan and Portsmouth but they are not part of a period of sustainable success and growth as a club. I'm not knocking either and in the case of Wigan, there will always be a ceiling for success because the conditions aren't right to turn Wigan into a major force.

For us, we are realistically hoping for a League or FA cup as a springboard for continued pursuit of major trophies and to perhaps get to the stage where the aforementioned trophies are the icing on the cake.

 

[bigpalacios]

Audi Cup mate

 

[Nine while nine]

Newcastle won the Fairs Cup in 1969. It might not have been an officially sanctioned UEFA competition at the time but it was widely considered to be a de facto major trophy - the forerunner to the UEFA Cup.

There are two reasons why the Fairs Cup shouldn't be considered a major trophy.

Firstly, the Fairs Cup operated a one-city rule, which meant that the competition wasn't wholly merit-based. For instance, two of the four English entrants for the 1969-70 competition had come 7th and 9th in the 1968-69 league, but were invited to play alongside the teams in 2nd and 4th because the teams in 3rd, 5th, 6th and 8th came from the same cities as the teams in 2nd in 4th.

In my view, and in the view of UEFA, any invitational competition of this ilk should not be sanctioned or considered a major competition (*)

The second reason why the Fairs Cup shouldn't be considered a major trophy is that Arsenal won it. As enjoyable as it is telling Arsenal fans that we have three European trophies to their two, it's even more enjoyable saying we have three and they only have one and that the other one they claim is, frankly, a bit made-up.



(*) Unless said competition has the words 'Peace', Audi' or 'International Champions' in its title, obvs.

 

[absolute bobbins]

You do know that even if we won the quintuple of Europa League, the League Cup, the FA Cup, the Premier League and the Super Cup, the amount of time it took to do so would still be used as a stick and the COVID disruption would be used to delegitimise the accomplishment, right?

Be more like Christoper Walken

 

[G Ron]

You can't put tribalism/bias and banter into any sort of context, we just have to win something and this particular narrative stops...ubtil they move the goalposts onto something else ?

It was the same in 2008 when we won the league cup, and 1999 before that. “You never win anything”, oh we just won the league cup, “it’s a Mickey Mouse trophy and doesn’t count”. Rinse and repeat. The stark reality is that until will win the PL or the CL (or start to frequently win trophies) rival clubs will continue to throw the “no trophy” line at us.

 

[14/04/91]

Man City went 35 years between trophies before their benefactors arrived.
And those years included many years outside the top flight, with one in the third tier.
Pompey & Wigan may well have won a trophy since us but look at the state of them now.

If we win the League Cup it gets a monkey off our back in some eyes (especially the old guard at Sky who bang on about it so much) but I'm betting it would count for nothing were we to finish, say, 8th in the league. Our top players would still question our progress and attracting new players would be difficult and we would likely regress as a football club.

 

[thecook]

It's a good job we now have a manager who knows how to win things so this can end, if it bothers people so much.