The Liverpool Game. WHY !!

[Dougal]

I wouldn't say always. I've been of a legal age for around 20 years and have seen prices go from under £2 a pint to £5+
I'm not an economist but I'd guess that increase is more than wages and inflation.
I earn more money now than in my 20's but drink less as i thibk its an awful waste of money now.

Going back to the original topic, I'd say the early kick off isn't s bad thing. You could hang around the stadium for a few hours post match. @Monkey Bastard Hands - fancy meeting for a pint of hipster shit after the game?

(For those thinking I'm a hypocrite, we've known each other many years and he left the UK sometime ago. Theres a time and a place..)

And that’s place is Grindr.

 

[old spur]

Brits always have and always pay inflated prices for warm swill beer.

Tottenham isn't dangerous, if you're not an idiot.

This is also a time where the club sees an opportunity to change the culture of my generation and younger fans and with intelligent pricing strategies they'll do it They're not bothered about people of your generation because its ability to spend money diminishes in the short to medium term.

Couple of issues here. I don't know how well you know Tottenham, but is one of the most dangerous places in London, and crime statistics prove this. The Tottenham riots and numerous murders are well documented. On a match day when there are thousands of other fans around as well as police, it's fine. After dark when things settle down it is an extremely dangerous place to be.

To some degree I agree with the rest of your post, but can't see it happening. An intelligent pricing strategy means being competitive, and I can't ever see beer in a football stadium being reasonably priced, but perhaps I am wrong. Secondly, a post match beer in a soleless concourse may eventually appeal to some people, but I think we are a long way off of that. To the majority of male football supporters above teenage years match day pubs are places of great pleasure. With the changing demographics, the infestation of liberal snowflakes, and the governments war on anything people get pleasure from, pubs will eventually be replaced by coffee shops and mosques, but fortunately most of this will happen when I have passed away.

One thing I am in total agreement with is the clubs/football industries attempt to change the type of supporter. All football stadiums in this country are becoming more sterile. A restriction on what we can sing, extortionate ticket prices, and crazy kick off times have detrimentally effected the atmosphere in our football grounds. This unfortunately will continue to get worse, and eventually the cheese room will be the most popular place in our new stadium

 

[Saoirse]

I just hope all those that insist on having a skinfull before the match aren't the same ones that spend most of the match going back and forth to the toilets (and smoking when you're in there)

If you hate other people and the way they enjoy themselves at games you could always stay home and watch it on the telly where they won't bother you? It's a football match, not the theatre.

 

[jimbo]

Couple of issues here. I don't know how well you know Tottenham, but is one of the most dangerous places in London, and crime statistics prove this. The Tottenham riots and numerous murders are well documented. On a match day when there are thousands of other fans around as well as police, it's fine. After dark when things settle down it is an extremely dangerous place to be.

With the changing demographics, the infestation of liberal snowflakes...

I kind of feel like these two statements are a little contradictory... This isn't a personal argument, just my particular view on the issue.

"Tottenham after dark" really isn't that dangerous. I've wandered around, on my own I might add, and drunk, plenty of times, between the hours of 10pm to 4am and I've never had any trouble. I've never seen any trouble. In fact the only trouble I have seen has been football related.

Sure Tottenham has issues with crime, like many other parts of London, but just like those other parts (most of which I've also wandered around) you're not in trouble if you know what you're doing. (Don't look scared, don't look lost.)

Panicking unduly about the threat of being knife-crimed after dark is the very definition of snowflake behaviour isn't it? But then it does seem as though the most sensitive peope in the world right know are the neo-cons, far-right etc. Everything seems to upset them and they're always crying about some imaginary conspiracy or other.

 

[Dougal]

Couple of issues here. I don't know how well you know Tottenham, but is one of the most dangerous places in London, and crime statistics prove this. The Tottenham riots and numerous murders are well documented. On a match day when there are thousands of other fans around as well as police, it's fine. After dark when things settle down it is an extremely dangerous place to be.

To some degree I agree with the rest of your post, but can't see it happening. An intelligent pricing strategy means being competitive, and I can't ever see beer in a football stadium being reasonably priced, but perhaps I am wrong. Secondly, a post match beer in a soleless concourse may eventually appeal to some people, but I think we are a long way off of that. To the majority of male football supporters above teenage years match day pubs are places of great pleasure. With the changing demographics, the infestation of liberal snowflakes, and the governments war on anything people get pleasure from, pubs will eventually be replaced by coffee shops and mosques, but fortunately most of this will happen when I have passed away.

One thing I am in total agreement with is the clubs/football industries attempt to change the type of supporter. All football stadiums in this country are becoming more sterile. A restriction on what we can sing, extortionate ticket prices, and crazy kick off times have detrimentally effected the atmosphere in our football grounds. This unfortunately will continue to get worse, and eventually the cheese room will be the most popular place in our new stadium

They’ve just built the biggest bar in Europe. Extortionate, yes. But it’s hardly in line with the current pub closures.

 

[old spur]

They’ve just built the biggest bar in Europe. Extortionate, yes. But it’s hardly in line with the current pub closures.

The bar can eventually be converted to a list of other things, but like I said, I will be long gone to worry about it now.

 

[Dougal]

The bar can eventually be converted to a list of other things, but like I said, I will be long gone to worry about it now.

I’m planning to stick around for a few years yet but probably won’t see the 65 metre Mosque. Best to stick to the present. After reading your posts I’m actually more excited now to sample the new facilities and differing eating and drinking experiences.

 

[old spur]

I kind of feel like these two statements are a little contradictory... This isn't a personal argument, just my particular view on the issue.

"Tottenham after dark" really isn't that dangerous. I've wandered around, on my own I might add, and drunk, plenty of times, between the hours of 10pm to 4am and I've never had any trouble. I've never seen any trouble. In fact the only trouble I have seen has been football related.

Sure Tottenham has issues with crime, like many other parts of London, but just like those other parts (most of which I've also wandered around) you're not in trouble if you know what you're doing. (Don't look scared, don't look lost.)

Panicking unduly about the threat of being knife-crimed after dark is the very definition of snowflake behaviour isn't it? But then it does seem as though the most sensitive peope in the world right know are the neo-cons, far-right etc. Everything seems to upset them and they're always crying about some imaginary conspiracy or other.

That's fine, you are far braver than me, and I can only respect you for that. I was brought up in a rough part of North London myself, and now live in a sleepy village near the coast. This probably enables us to see things quite differently. Your politics are your business, and this isn't the place to discuss them, although I do post on various political forums. It's very tempting for me to bight back, but I won't. My comment was based around the supporter demographics, societies over sensitivity, and football clubs determination to make stadiums more sterile places. As a person of senior years, and one who has attended games since the early 70s, I can assure you that the atmosphere has deteriorated considerably, and continues to get worse.

 

[riggi]

12:30 kick offs should be banned.

 

[old spur]

12:30 kick offs should be banned.

The vast majority of people who actually attend the games would agree. Getting to the stadium so early is a pain, especially if you live where I do. I will be leaving about 5.30 am for the Liverpool game. The atmosphere is generally pants, the games have a habit of being rubbish (some exceptions obviously), and the best part of the day, the build up, doesn't happen. Of course, those who don't don't actually attend don't care.

 

[riggi]

The vast majority of people who actually attend the games would agree. Getting to the stadium so early is a pain, especially if you live where I do. I will be leaving about 5.30 am for the Liverpool game. The atmosphere is generally pants, the games have a habit of being rubbish (some exceptions obviously), and the best part of the day, the build up, doesn't happen. Of course, those who don't go don't actually attend don't care.

Totally agree. My journey is about 45 minutes which obviously isn't bad. The whole thing is such a buzzkill though. People walking into the stadium bleary eyed having just had their breakfast. The pubs are full but usually dead.

What a shit way to open the stadium.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

If you hate other people and the way they enjoy themselves at games you could always stay home and watch it on the telly where they won't bother you? It's a football match, not the theatre.

The way they enjoy themselves is a fucking nuisance. I want to watch the match, not keep shuffling out of the way for them, and no smoking is no smoking.

 

[Dougal]

This is why I didn’t want White Hart Lane knocked down. Nothing to do with beer prices and kick off times. It’s twice as many bloody moany Spurs fans.

I hate Spurs fans.

 

[Azazello]

Made this point when the televised fixtures came out. There will be lots of time after the game to have a stroll around but at that point it will be affected by the mood of the game, bit risky for such a big match. 3pm would have been perfect. But that’s not the age in which we live. The least important people on a match day are the ones who go through the turnstile, despite all the facilities (moneymakers) they offer.

Sad but true.

I think crowds are only really there to make games look better for viewers in Asia.

 

[old spur]

The way they enjoy themselves is a fucking nuisance. I want to watch the match, not keep shuffling out of the way for them, and no smoking is no smoking.

Agree with you about the no smoking. I would love to see people receive a life time ban for this, but at the same time believe supporters should be given an outside area to smoke. Many grounds do this and it eliminates the problem.

What I don't want though is to watch the game in a theatre, and this is what is starting to happen. If safe standing is introduced it will be a massive step towards re-introducing some atmosphere, and at the same time will improve safety. It really is a no brainer

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

Agree with you about the no smoking. I would love to see people receive a life time ban for this, but at the same time believe supporters should be given an outside area to smoke. Many grounds do this and it eliminates the problem.

What I don't want though is to watch the game in a theatre, and this is what is starting to happen. If safe standing is introduced it will be a massive step towards re-introducing some atmosphere, and at the same time will improve safety. It really is a no brainer

Hey, I'm all for atmosphere.
Singing, standing Etc.
Which would be a lot better if 30% of the stadium weren't in the toilet at any one time

 

[jimbo]

That's fine, you are far braver than me, and I can only respect you for that. I was brought up in a rough part of North London myself, and now live in a sleepy village near the coast. This probably enables us to see things quite differently. Your politics are your business, and this isn't the place to discuss them, although I do post on various political forums. It's very tempting for me to bight back, but I won't. My comment was based around the supporter demographics, societies over sensitivity, and football clubs determination to make stadiums more sterile places. As a person of senior years, and one who has attended games since the early 70s, I can assure you that the atmosphere has deteriorated considerably, and continues to get worse.

I appreciate your restraint in not getting into a political debate, it seems to me that we have lost the ability to politely disagree with a person's political views without descending into abuse. I think that's why the whole "snowflake" thing makes me cringe wherever I read it and I don't have your restraint in resisting the urge to bite.

I have only been attending since the 90s, but I would entirely agree with your assessment of the deterioration in atmosphere. Whether that is a result of the transition from supporters to customers/consumers or something I else I don't know, but it is a real change.

 

[Saoirse]

The way they enjoy themselves is a fucking nuisance. I want to watch the match, not keep shuffling out of the way for them, and no smoking is no smoking.

And they want to have a fair bit to drink, have a ciggie, and not have to worry about going to the bog when they need it. Maybe for them the day out is as or more important than the game. Both are valid. Ideally of course what we'd have is designated smoking areas, and large sections of the stadium designed to appeal to this crowd where standing is allowed, so that those wanting to just watch the game wouldn't be stuck in the middle of it. But unfortunately the bureaucrats won't let us have smoking areas, and the club for some reason made the "standing" area only 5,000 capacity when it's pretty clear it appeals to way more than 1/12th of our supporters.

 

[old spur]

And they want to have a fair bit to drink, have a ciggie, and not have to worry about going to the bog when they need it. Maybe for them the day out is as or more important than the game. Both are valid. Ideally of course what we'd have is designated smoking areas, and large sections of the stadium designed to appeal to this crowd where standing is allowed, so that those wanting to just watch the game wouldn't be stuck in the middle of it. But unfortunately the bureaucrats won't let us have smoking areas, and the club for some reason made the "standing" area only 5,000 capacity when it's pretty clear it appeals to way more than 1/12th of our supporters.

For me the game is just part of the day out, otherwise I would watch on telly or stream it. When I proposed a smoking area, I didn't mean in the bowl it's self. Many stadiums have caged off outside areas on the perimeter of the stadium. I am fortunate enough to have a seat that MAY eventually become a safe standing area. What I find strange is that the club has made the away section a potential safe standing area. Not all the away supporters will like this, and why do we want to encourage them to make more noise ?

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

And they want to have a fair bit to drink, have a ciggie, and not have to worry about going to the bog when they need it. Maybe for them the day out is as or more important than the game. Both are valid. Ideally of course what we'd have is designated smoking areas, and large sections of the stadium designed to appeal to this crowd where standing is allowed, so that those wanting to just watch the game wouldn't be stuck in the middle of it. But unfortunately the bureaucrats won't let us have smoking areas, and the club for some reason made the "standing" area only 5,000 capacity when it's pretty clear it appeals to way more than 1/12th of our supporters.

So you think that even though smoking is illegal inside public buildings, it's actually ok because people are allowed to enjoy themselves?

Get a fucking grip, it's only an hour and a half. It's a filthy smelly habit and the rest of us don't want to breath that skanky shit in.