The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[Spurs_Bear]

Integrate them better perhaps?

One of Poch most clear mistakes over the years.

So a player unable to take to the field would have helped us get more points if he was integrated better?

 

[ClintEastwould]

Lets look at how many crosses Robertson actually played into the box? 5 the whole game and not really that many from where he loves to whip it in and create havoc. He got space where it didn't really matter, like you say.

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TAA Actually was much more dangerous than with much more time and space to do damage than him on the other wing. I think Son on the left was a much worse choice and caused us much more issues but I know that doesn't fit the narrative of absolute hatred toward Eriksen at the moment.

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I also undertsand the point still stands about Poch. He can and has made astue changes to change things up and get us back into games in the past, take liverpool last year, starting with a 3 in the back and after what 15, 20 mins, reverting to a back 4 and getting us back into the game.

He certainly needs to do better, he can, I've seen it. If he doesn't start doing things like that again he will be gone pretty soon.

Tbh although watching the game TAA created the more dangerous crosses, judging by this graphic although Robertson had much fewer crosses they look to be in much more dangerous positions - implying the fact that he has able to get directly into the box via lackluster defending.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Most excuses have a smidgen of truth behind them...but with all the excuses....injuries,stadiums,refs,fans and leavers still I cant get out of my mind the fumbling of shorts passes back and forth around our box,the leaving of Winks alone as the DM versus the hit men of Bayern ,the naive choices of RB subs, the insistence if using Eriksen despite his performances,the lack of tactical nous in favour of energy management with his subs and the nonsense interviews and comments he makes.
But apart from that I think he is a likeable chap

Thank you. So my opinion as to why the transfer window could be regarded in a less than positive light has what exactly to do with your list of complaints? I'm struggling to see why you quoted me, to what purpose?

 

[Mr Pink]

If Eriksen starts on Sunday, how will most people feel with Poch?

 

[synththfc]

If Eriksen starts on Sunday, how will most people feel with Poch?

No different. I expect nothing less. He proved (to me) that Tuesday against Crvena Zvezda was an accident when he started CE DR and TA against LFC. Has to go for me.

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

If Eriksen starts on Sunday, how will most people feel with Poch?

Unacceptable, but it was already unacceptable against Liverpool so I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[Primativ]

No, it's also seen as a bad window because we failed to move on virtually any of the wantaways or discontented. That's an obvious and glaring issue and I'm not sure how you missed/ignored it. Perchance were you in a rush to get the "clown" dig in?

Sorry but you’re wrong there. Hardly anyone was moaning about failing to move on the wantaways and malcontented in the summer. It was almost universally acclaimed as a good thing. Bar a very very small minority, nobody wanted Rose to leave in the summer. They definitely didn’t want Toby or Eriksen to leave.

But now all of a sudden, the window is bad because we didn’t move them on? Sure, with hindsight it looks like a bad window because of our terrible results and form, but at the time everyone was delighted.

At the end of the day Poch isn’t being forced to play Eriksen, Toby and Rose. He could easily cast them aside if they were causing that much of a problem.

The fact that Poch hasn’t dropped them properly leads me to conclude that the malcontentedness is over exaggerated and actually it’s more Poch’s bad management which is the issue.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

But now all of a sudden, the window is bad because we didn’t move them on? Sure, with hindsight it looks like a bad window because of our terrible results and form, but at the time everyone was delighted.

Well there you go then. What's your problem? Things have changed in very many ways since the season started. For example........Sure in hindsight Poch looks like he's lost it but that's only because of our terrible results and form.

Or does that only work the one way around

 

[wrd]

Sorry but you’re wrong there. Hardly anyone was moaning about failing to move on the wantaways and malcontented in the summer. It was almost universally acclaimed as a good thing. Bar a very very small minority, nobody wanted Rose to leave in the summer. They definitely didn’t want Toby or Eriksen to leave.

But now all of a sudden, the window is bad because we didn’t move them on? Sure, with hindsight it looks like a bad window because of our terrible results and form, but at the time everyone was delighted.

At the end of the day Poch isn’t being forced to play Eriksen, Toby and Rose. He could easily cast them aside if they were causing that much of a problem.

The fact that Poch hasn’t dropped them properly leads me to conclude that the malcontentedness is over exaggerated and actually it’s more Poch’s bad management which is the issue.

That isn't true is it, loads of us were complaining that we needed to move people on. Specifically Alder and Eriksen.

 

[Ronwol196061]

Thank you. So my opinion as to why the transfer window could be regarded in a less than positive light has what exactly to do with your list of complaints? I'm struggling to see why you quoted me, to what purpose?

Agree it’s only seen as a bad window because Poch is managing like a clown. We have signed two excellent players and one for the future and under a different manager we’d be doing much better

No, it's also seen as a bad window because we failed to move on virtually any of the wantaways or discontented. That's an obvious and glaring issue and I'm not sure how you missed/ignored it. Perchance were you in a rush to get the "clown" dig in?

It seemed to me that you were making excuses for Poch and I'm getting tired of excuses related to Poch in general.

 

[Primativ]

Well there you go then. What's your problem? Things have changed in very many ways since the season started. For example........Sure in hindsight Poch looks like he's lost it but that's only because of our terrible results and form.

Or does that only work the one way around

but the very definition of losing it is an extended period of bad results and form.

What my problem is, is people blaming the window for our current predicament. We couldn’t force Eriksen and Toby to leave. We would have sold Eriksen to United but he didn’t want them. Madrid didn’t bid. I’m sure Levy fully expected Toby to go and amazingly he didn’t move on. It was outside our control. I’m sure Levy did what he could to sell them.

There’s always an excuse for poor Poch. As a manager he should find solutions. If the players are really so unmotivated why is he picking them versus Liverpool. He should drop them. Eriksen shouldn’t play another game for spurs ever again, he’s absolutely trash and has been for ages, but Poch persists.

Poch has to deal with problems like all managers, but our current decline has far more to do with him underperforming and not getting the best out of the players and mismanaging them rather than a squad building issue.

 

[McFlash]

No, it's also seen as a bad window because we failed to move on virtually any of the wantaways or discontented. That's an obvious and glaring issue and I'm not sure how you missed/ignored it. Perchance were you in a rush to get the "clown" dig in?

To be honest, I thought it was a good window because of the signings we made, plus the fact we kept Toby and Eriksen - Rose I wasn't bothered about too much because we've got Davies.

But back then, I thought Eriksen would re-sign, having failed to get his move, like he said he would and that Poch would not insist on playing Rose ahead of Davies, no matter which player was in better form.

I just don't know what to think about Jan anymore. I don't believe his form has fallen off a cliff, and he does have previous for being a bit sulky...

Edit - forgot Toby, who I still don't really have a problem with. I think he's doing OK, not his best but when the rest of the team are playing so badly, it's hard to shine as a defender. He's being professional though imo.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

It seemed to me that you were making excuses for Poch and I'm getting tired of excuses related to Poch in general.

Jesus Christ you seriously need to take a break.

 

[Primativ]

That isn't true is it, loads of us were complaining that we needed to move people on. Specifically Alder and Eriksen.

Yes there were some but the majority thought it was a great thing we kept Eriksen and signed GLC. Alternative was sell Eriksen and sign GLC and Fernandes but many argued it was a risk as both were unproven in this league.

Anyway, hindsight is wonderful but again these are all just convenient excuses for
Poch.

 

[Ronwol196061]

To be honest, I thought it was a good window because of the signings we made, plus the fact we kept Toby and Eriksen - Rose I wasn't bothered about too much because we've got Davies.

But back then, I thought Eriksen would re-sign, having failed to get his move, like he said he would and that Poch would not insist on playing Rose ahead of Davies, no matter which player was in better form.

I just don't know what to think about Jan anymore. I don't believe his form has fallen off a cliff, and he does have previous for being a bit sulky...

Has the dressing room lost Poch ? or has Poch lost the dressing room ? Meanwhile they do better in the dining room than on the field

 

[dagraham]

We got the 3 targets Poch wanted and kept our best players. That's a good window. Regards of what has happened now.

It’s not a bad window at all, but nothing special imo. One of those targets is still a kid really and although I’m looking forward to seeing him play for us I’m not sure where he’s going to fit in or whether he can defend properly.

N’Dombele is a great signing and Lo Celso is still a wait and see. The RB situation is a clusterfuck and with Wanyama broken and Dier regressing and totally out of favour, we should have signed another DM as well. We still also need another striker imo.

I’m not suggesting we can fix all our issues in one window as we simply left ourselves too much to do by neglecting our squad before.

As far keeping our best players, although I was relieved in a way, it was never an ideal situation and we didn’t know how said players were going to react, but both Toby and in particular Eriksen are just phoning it in. And nobody can tell me it’s a good idea to try and flog players unsuccessfully (Rose) and then expect them to be as committed and focused afterwards. Just saying after the window closed there were just as many questions as answers for me.

Still no excuse for the way we’ve been playing for the last year though. The squad is better than the results or performances.

 

[wrd]

but the very definition of losing it is an extended period of bad results and form.

What my problem is, is people blaming the window for our current predicament. We couldn’t force Eriksen and Toby to leave. We would have sold Eriksen to United but he didn’t want them. Madrid didn’t bid. I’m sure Levy fully expected Toby to go and amazingly he didn’t move on. It was outside our control. I’m sure Levy did what he could to sell them.

There’s always an excuse for poor Poch. As a manager he should find solutions. If the players are really so unmotivated why is he picking them versus Liverpool. He should drop them. Eriksen shouldn’t play another game for spurs ever again, he’s absolutely trash and has been for ages, but Poch persists.

Poch has to deal with problems like all managers, but our current decline has far more to do with him underperforming and not getting the best out of the players and mismanaging them rather than a squad building issue.

Why are you able to write reasons for Levy not taking care of his responsibilities and justify it but when people write reasons for Poch it's an excuse, why is it one rule for Levy and another for Poch. Why are they not culpable, why is it only Poch that isn't allowed a caveat for things not going as planned. Both have made mistakes but one is allowed is allowed justifiable reasons and the other isn't.

I agree on the Eriksen front, he shouldn't be starting among others and that's on Poch. Makes me wonder if he's sending messages to Levy but frankly now is not the time for that.

Yes there were some but the majority thought it was a great thing we kept Eriksen and signed GLC. Alternative was sell Eriksen and sign GLC and Fernandes but many argued it was a risk as both were unproven in this league.

Anyway, hindsight is wonderful but again these are all just convenient excuses for
Poch.

Well I don't think it's fair to those of us who were calling all summer for Eriksen to fuck off and they weren't able to shift him to now call it hindsight.

 

[Ronwol196061]

Jesus Christ you seriously need to take a break.

You asked me a question and I answered you.
Where are you coming from,some lofty height?

 

[Japhet]

That isn't true is it, loads of us were complaining that we needed to move people on. Specifically Alder and Eriksen.

Eriksen said he might well sign a new contract if the right offer didn't materialise in the Summer. That meant we had to wait for the European window to close, at which point he made it obvious he wanted a Bosman by running his contract out. IMO that had a really bad effect on the whole place. Maybe we would have pushed harder for a replacement like Fernandes if we'd known this would happen, but regardless of that, Eriksen pretty much downed tools at the same time, leaving us high and dry. Up until that point I think most people were hoping Eriksen would sign up again and it's only his powder puff performances and poxy attitude that have led to a huge majority of people wanting shot of him. I think most people were also astonished that nobody came in for Toby at 25m.

With hindsight I'm very disappointed that we didn't move them on, but at the time it didn't seem such a bad outcome, unaware of what was about to unfold.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

You asked me a question and I answered you.
Where are you coming from,some lofty height?

No, a fucking adult one.

It seemed to me that you were making excuses for Poch and I'm getting tired of excuses related to Poch in general.

Well I wasn't. There are things he does that I cannot understand but my comments on the transfer window were valid and IMO correct and I couldn't give a short, sharp shit how tired you are.