The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[sausage]

Obviously you don't get that good without being so.
But he knows that he cant run and press and that he believes he is more effective limiting his role. Ronaldo in his mid-twenties would suit Poch, Ronaldo now wont, not because he is lazy because he makes a conscious decision on how he should play and he is not going to listen to someone telling him differently.

Does he? Sounds like a lot of assumption.

Either way, I'm sure Pochettino isn't stupid, and would use players to their strengths

 

[Spurs 1961]

Away so haven’t really been able to follow the story properly. I just think Poch will stay for a bit simply because at Spurs he has a huge say in everything and he will not get that with any other top club. Maybe when he is older he will be happy just to CIA ch the first team but right now I think he wants to continue building a club.
Of course I may be way off the mark but here’s hoping

 

[C0YS]

Does he? Sounds like a lot of assumption.

Either way, I'm sure Pochettino isn't stupid, and would use players to their strengths

Well thats according to a few journalists in spain. Doesn't take a genius though to see how he has changed his game, just have to watch him play. He's basically a goal hanger now, and its how he has remained relevant. He is 33.

Poch is not going to change his philosophy for the sake of players. This is a manager with a clear philosophy and an idea of how to play. He is not gonna change the consistent way he coaches to appease anyone. I mean surely at this point by what Poch says and what others say about him it clear that this is the case. The philosophy comes first, either players get behind it or they are off. In Espanyol he sold club icon, captain and star player, Tamudo because he could not adapt to his ideas.

You can not have a working footballing philosophy if players don't get behind it. Can't remember where I heard but he explained the player he wants is someone who if is asked to do laps, responds with 'how many' because they believe that it will improve them. Not people who are already formed and have clear ideas of how they should play. If players refuse to accept Poch's methods they're out simple as that.

Its the philosophical approach, obviously highly influenced by Belsia which makes Poch successful. He is not a Conte that is flexible with his approach, he is the polar opposite of that kind of manager, and this a major reason that I think he would be a complete failure at Madrid.

 

[Spartan Spurs]

"When Real Madrid calls, you have to listen."

Any ambitious manager would.
I have no doubt that Poch has aspirations to go there at some time in his career.
But he knows now is not the time.
He's committed to a project here & he's honouring it without offending Madrid.

I think he handled the media fairly well.
It was lighthearted & he was very diplomatic.
Gotta commend him.

And thank God he's still here.

 

[sausage]

Well thats according to a few journalists in spain. Doesn't take a genius though to see how he has changed his game, just have to watch him play. He's basically a goal hanger now, and its how he has remained relevant. He is 33.

Poch is not going to change his philosophy for the sake of players. This is a manager with a clear philosophy and an idea of how to play. He is not gonna change the consistent way he coaches to appease anyone. I mean surely at this point by what Poch says and what others say about him it clear that this is the case. The philosophy comes first, either players get behind it or they are off. In Espanyol he sold club icon, captain and star player, Tamudo because he could not adapt to his ideas.

You can not have a working footballing philosophy if players don't get behind it. Can't remember where I heard but he explained the player he wants is someone who if is asked to do laps, responds with 'how many' because they believe that it will improve them. Not people who are already formed and have clear ideas of how they should play. If players refuse to accept Poch's methods they're out simple as that.

Its the philosophical approach, obviously highly influenced by Belsia which makes Poch successful. He is not a Conte that is flexible with his approach, he is the polar opposite of that kind of manager, and this a major reason that I think he would be a complete failure at Madrid.

Yeah, cos I remember Rickie Lambert being quite the runner

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Depends where really, if you are in a tourist hotspot yes you're gonna be ripped off, particularly if you don't know what you're doing. But in most restaurants they do label the price of house wine, its normally considerably cheaper than the other options, its quality varies greatly however.

Don't agree to that at all. In Italy these days, you are without exception being over-charged for house wine. There is no exception to that. Add a few euros and order something that's actually worth drinking. The whole house wine thing is of the past, they don't sell it to market value any longer, because Italians have learned that Americans especially order the house wine blindly because they think that's being "in the know" and "getting a deal". Being in the know in Italy these days is confidently ordering what you actually want to drink according to the price you are willing to pay.

 

[Spartan Spurs]

Well thats according to a few journalists in spain. Doesn't take a genius though to see how he has changed his game, just have to watch him play. He's basically a goal hanger now, and its how he has remained relevant. He is 33.

Poch is not going to change his philosophy for the sake of players. This is a manager with a clear philosophy and an idea of how to play. He is not gonna change the consistent way he coaches to appease anyone. I mean surely at this point by what Poch says and what others say about him it clear that this is the case. The philosophy comes first, either players get behind it or they are off. In Espanyol he sold club icon, captain and star player, Tamudo because he could not adapt to his ideas.

You can not have a working footballing philosophy if players don't get behind it. Can't remember where I heard but he explained the player he wants is someone who if is asked to do laps, responds with 'how many' because they believe that it will improve them. Not people who are already formed and have clear ideas of how they should play. If players refuse to accept Poch's methods they're out simple as that.

Its the philosophical approach, obviously highly influenced by Belsia which makes Poch successful. He is not a Conte that is flexible with his approach, he is the polar opposite of that kind of manager, and this a major reason that I think he would be a complete failure at Madrid.

"King Otto" Rehhagel managed in a similar fashion. It was his way or the highway. There are quite a few parallels here between him & Poch.

Otto had considerable success in Germany prior to taking over a dilapidated Greece NT. Bordering on a disaster. On his arrival, he found the players were running the show: a me first approach. Previous coaches were puppet caretakers. He embarked on cleaning house & only selecting those players who were willing & able to buy into his system / philosophy. Many talented players, to their surprise, were left out. What remained was a less "flashy" group, but far more importantly, was extremely united. They would adhere to the game plan to a T. This was the key element for him. These guys would die on the field for one another. The similarity between him & Poch continues in that he was flexible enough in his approach to play to the player's strength. Otto recognized that he had to adopt a more defensive style given what was at his disposal. The rest is history. They made it out of their group & in the knock out phase proceeded to defeat some of the highest ranked teams on the planet in France, Czech Republic & Portugal without even allowing a goal. It may not have been pretty but it was extremely effective AND impressive.

My point being, you don't have to have the most talented &/or most expensive players to succeed. It's a unified approach with their eyes on the prize & a map to get there. Poch has it. It goes to show what buying in to a sound plan can do. And fortunately for us fans, he has been able to assemble a much more youthful & skillful group than Otto's was, that is willing to put in what is necessary. It makes the game much more enjoyable to watch.

 

[Vwbottom]

Defcon Judas averted.

 

[C0YS]

Marca beginning to shift attention toward Klopp, hailing him as the fans choice and running an op-ed about him.

They're leading with looking at alternatives to Poch. Klopp, Allegri, Conte, Sarri and Guti are the named options. Don't think there is any interest in Wenger.

Don't agree to that at all. In Italy these days, you are without exception being over-charged for house wine. There is no exception to that. Add a few euros and order something that's actually worth drinking. The whole house wine thing is of the past, they don't sell it to market value any longer, because Italians have learned that Americans especially order the house wine blindly because they think that's being "in the know" and "getting a deal". Being in the know in Italy these days is confidently ordering what you actually want to drink according to the price you are willing to pay.

Mate I agree that house wine is really not always worth the lower price. But I'm half italian and Americans don't come to the area I'm from. They still serve house wine. Its not just about being in the know, house wines/table wines are wines without PDO, that is essentially all they are, some of those wines can be very good, some very bad. But, because they cannot use protected names they are sold as house wine/table wine. I'd rather pay more for something nice, but I know plenty italian's who drink unlabeled wine, both in restaurants or bought often in cartons super cheap in shops.

For the quality, I have some very good wine sold as house/table wine and I have had some really bad stuff. I normally just get something with a name, because in Italy a good glass is really cheap. In fact cheaper local wines are often much better than the more expensive stuff.

 

[kaz Hirai]

Damn I gotta say you guys are alot nicer and more understanding to Poch & his ambition than u were Redknapp

 

[popstar7]

Guti would seem the sensible choice to oversee phasing out the old guard over the next couple of seasons. Very difficult for an outsider to do. If he could maintain a decent level of success while doing it they might have a long term solution.

 

[inclineyid]

Jumped back into this thread on the last page.... fuck Poch I'm going to look into this order the house wine or not when in Italy a bit deeper... fascinating stuff

 

[Dennism]

Damn I gotta say you guys are alot nicer and more understanding to Poch & his ambition than u were Redknapp

I think Poch has always talked about Tottenham with more respect than Redknapp did. Maybe the reason why.

 

[sausage]

Damn I gotta say you guys are alot nicer and more understanding to Poch & his ambition than u were Redknapp

Redknapp had no modesty, and did his shit at a crucial point in the season

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Mate I agree that house wine is really not always worth the lower price. But I'm half italian and Americans don't come to the area I'm from. They still serve house wine. Its not just about being in the know, house wines/table wines are wines without PDO, that is essentially all they are, some of those wines can be very good, some very bad. But, because they cannot use protected names they are sold as house wine/table wine. I'd rather pay more for something nice, but I know plenty italian's who drink unlabeled wine, both in restaurants or bought often in cartons super cheap in shops.

For the quality, I have some very good wine sold as house/table wine and I have had some really bad stuff. I normally just get something with a name, because in Italy a good glass is really cheap. In fact cheaper local wines are often much better than the more expensive stuff.

There used to be a time when house wines was like that, like a real treat that restaurants wanted to offer their patrons. And sure, I drink unlabelled things to, I got a little tasting room of a renowned wine house down the street from my house. They always keep a steel tank in the back where I can get a refill on some empty bottle. I have nothing against the concept.
What I have something against, is inflating the price of "house wines" because it became evident that people will happily pay more for it under the illusion that it's a bargain, when in fact, it is the opposite of a bargain on a price/quality scale.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

Well thats according to a few journalists in spain. Doesn't take a genius though to see how he has changed his game, just have to watch him play. He's basically a goal hanger now, and its how he has remained relevant. He is 33.

Poch is not going to change his philosophy for the sake of players. This is a manager with a clear philosophy and an idea of how to play. He is not gonna change the consistent way he coaches to appease anyone. I mean surely at this point by what Poch says and what others say about him it clear that this is the case. The philosophy comes first, either players get behind it or they are off. In Espanyol he sold club icon, captain and star player, Tamudo because he could not adapt to his ideas.

You can not have a working footballing philosophy if players don't get behind it. Can't remember where I heard but he explained the player he wants is someone who if is asked to do laps, responds with 'how many' because they believe that it will improve them. Not people who are already formed and have clear ideas of how they should play. If players refuse to accept Poch's methods they're out simple as that.

Its the philosophical approach, obviously highly influenced by Belsia which makes Poch successful. He is not a Conte that is flexible with his approach, he is the polar opposite of that kind of manager, and this a major reason that I think he would be a complete failure at Madrid.

Should be fun if Bielsa turns up at Leeds which has been reported

 

[Luka Van der Bale]

Damn I gotta say you guys are alot nicer and more understanding to Poch & his ambition than u were Redknapp

What?

Redknapp downed tools and stopped turning up to training as soon as the England job became available. Pochettino has genuinely turned down Real Madrid, and we’re accepting he’ll probably make the step up in a few years. That’s without factoring in that Real are a huge step up from Spurs, and judging by the candidates it has attracted over the last two decades, the England job isn’t. The difference couldn’t be more stark.

 

[dagraham]

All this over analysis of house wines. Everyone knows in a restaurant you always pick your colour and grape and then choose the second cheapest on the list .

A bit like how West Ham usually choose managers.... except they probably go for the cheapest.

 

[chinaman]

All this over analysis of house wines. Everyone knows in a restaurant you always pick your colour and grape and then choose the second cheapest on the list .

A bit like how West Ham usually choose managers.... except they probably go for the cheapest.

But their late Ron Greenwood was a fine gentleman and he was a progressive manager at his time.

 

[bomberH]

I have to say, I think some of the posts worrying about Poch are justified. He mostly says all the right things and then ends it with ‘but you never know what will happen tomorrow’. He’s said that before and he means that he could be sacked by Spurs as well as him leaving so it doesn’t concern me too much. He also said ‘When Madrid call, you listen, but it doesn’t depend on me’ which suggests if Levy said he can go, he may. But he would practically end any speculation by just saying something like ‘Madrid are a great club but I have a project with Spurs and I will be here next year’. No ifs, no buts, just straight forward. That wouldn’t offend the Madrid heirarchy either.

His interview in Spanish was a lot more positive actually. He said he’d like to manage the Argentinian national team, Newell’s Old Boys and possibly Espanyol again and said something along the lines of ‘and if a job like the Madrid job became available one day then maybe’ but in context it was more reassuring that it sounds above, it almost sounded like Madrid was an afterthought. I’m sure it wasn’t but he made it sound like it was. Or the translator did anyway.

The bottom line is not once has he said ‘I’m staying next season’. He’s said he’s proud etc and I realise he wants to be respectful to Madrid for future purposes but it seems like he’s being quite careful with his words.

The comment about ‘it may not be possible for you to turn down Madrid but for me it is’ was his most positive comment I thought. What a wanky question/statement from the reporter by the way.

I think he’ll stay. I also think if Levy said he can talk to them if he likes, then he’d be gone. I know some supporters can’t understand why he’d be interested in Madrid as there is no longevity and players ethics are often questionable etc but I honestly believe all that goes out the window when it comes to managing Madrid. Managers just see themselves as managing the most famous team in the world. I personally think he’d be mad to take the job now of all times after 3 CL’s in a row but we’ll see.

I know the itk’s are all saying he’s staying and this pleases me lots. He obviously doesn’t come across as the type to force the issue so if Levy doesn’t entertain the offer, which I’m sure he won’t, then hopefully that’s the end of it, until next season anyway.

Apologies if this sounds negative, it’s not meant to but it’s been on my mind more as the day’s gone on, especially after seeing all the interviews. I firmly believe he’ll stay but I can understand some of the worries. The speculation should all be done and dusted by now but it’s not. Madrid will still make an official approach I’m sure so we’ll see how that pans out. Hopefully the fax machine is still broken.

If he stays and he’s backed properly, I genuinely think we’ll win a trophy next season. ?