The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[Japhet]

Queen’s English, please

Never heard the Queen say 'Philosopise this mofos' but then I probably don't mix in the circles you do blud.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

Never heard the Queen say 'Philosopise this mofos' but then I probably don't mix in the circles you do blud.

Fucking right

 

[Tucker]

I think Pochettino would add a little stability to our defence, he’d also be a great tutor for Ledley and Dawson.

#TransferWindow2005

 

[Metalhead]

To me it’s quite simple. We have a first team that is extremely good, the best Spurs team I’ve known in my fifty years supporting, and several very good back up options. When we buy players now we are not going to pay the astronomical Neymar/ Mbappe type prices that would improve our first team instantly and probably not even the next level down type prices. If we cannot find the players at the price we are prepared to pay or afford then we are going to look at potential or try to find an unexpected bargain. It’s as simple as that and it’s why DL is such a hard negotiator. I see Spurs as a house of cards with the massive infrastructure improvements we’ve made at such a massive cost- one bad mistake could bring the whole lot crashing down or we can continue building extremely carefully until we are the strongest and best in the country. And not a Sheikh in sight. It’s the right way and patience is required. And I’m the bloke in the nineties that had a massive row with the wife over the astronomical amounts I was spending on the likes of Clubcall and TEAMtalk phone lines because I was so addicted to transfer news. With this squad there just isn’t the need to get so over-excited. We’re in good shape.

It's certainly not a squad in need of massive overhaul but it does need some additions to ensure that we keep competing on all fronts and to help iron out some areas of weakness, particularly when we play against defensive teams and sometimes look incapable of unlocking defenses. It also keeps players on their toes and ensures that they don't get complacent.

 

[SpartanSpur]

Edmonton quotes?

2 pages back.

 

[Univarn]

2 pages back.

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/mauricio-pochettino.126827/post-5985865

I always get Edmenton and Ben mixed up on which has the higher connect. This reads more like opinion but it's definitely not an opinion many of us don't share.

I am very strongly in the wait until the end of the window camp, and I think we'll do OK business, but I am open to the idea that Levy expected this window to go differently and has worked himself into a corner he has yet to come up with a strategy to get out of yet.

 

[zepstar]

You know when you come home to your partner or the person you live with and you can tell something’s not right? They’re quiet, more detached. “I’m fine. Just tired”. Sure they’re up for a takeaway. Slope off upstairs to bed.

Then at Christmas, bam. Divorce papers. Unreasonable behaviour.

He’s wearing the expression of a man who’s been let down maybe once too often.

 

[Hakkz]

Philosophise this mofos:
I don’t buy the car, the car buys me

You a hoe

 

[Living Legend Colm G]

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/mauricio-pochettino.126827/post-5985865

I always get Edmenton and Ben mixed up on which has the higher connect. This reads more like opinion but it's definitely not an opinion many of us don't share.

I am very strongly in the wait until the end of the window camp, and I think we'll do OK business, but I am open to the idea that Levy expected this window to go differently and has worked himself into a corner he has yet to come up with a strategy to get out of yet.

Definitely Ben. He's in a tree!

 

[SpartanSpur]

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/mauricio-pochettino.126827/post-5985865

I always get Edmenton and Ben mixed up on which has the higher connect. This reads more like opinion but it's definitely not an opinion many of us don't share.

I am very strongly in the wait until the end of the window camp, and I think we'll do OK business, but I am open to the idea that Levy expected this window to go differently and has worked himself into a corner he has yet to come up with a strategy to get out of yet.

Things have been pretty quiet for a few days now even on the ITK front where it's been more opinion than anything. Optimistic take is that things are finally moving (and lips or sealed), pessimsitic take is that we are scrambling and not getting anywhere.

 

[nickspurs]

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/mauricio-pochettino.126827/post-5985865

I always get Edmenton and Ben mixed up on which has the higher connect. This reads more like opinion but it's definitely not an opinion many of us don't share.

I am very strongly in the wait until the end of the window camp, and I think we'll do OK business, but I am open to the idea that Levy expected this window to go differently and has worked himself into a corner he has yet to come up with a strategy to get out of yet.

That summarises my sentiment at this point too. I think that latter point goes further and that Levy has conceded he is less confident than he was to Poch (not quite that he hasn’t got a strategy yet just that it has risk!).

I personally believe there’s been loads of activity that doesn’t get mentioned and think we’ll spend on a minimum of 2 in. Plus I reckon Levy will take some painful prices on the outgoings. We’ll know soon enough.

 

[spursfan77]

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/mauricio-pochettino.126827/post-5985865

I always get Edmenton and Ben mixed up on which has the higher connect. This reads more like opinion but it's definitely not an opinion many of us don't share.

I am very strongly in the wait until the end of the window camp, and I think we'll do OK business, but I am open to the idea that Levy expected this window to go differently and has worked himself into a corner he has yet to come up with a strategy to get out of yet.

Edmonton isn’t one to complain at all either, which makes his comments even more relevant if you ask me.

 

[Gpnash84]

To me it’s quite simple. We have a first team that is extremely good, the best Spurs team I’ve known in my fifty years supporting, and several very good back up options. When we buy players now we are not going to pay the astronomical Neymar/ Mbappe type prices that would improve our first team instantly and probably not even the next level down type prices. If we cannot find the players at the price we are prepared to pay or afford then we are going to look at potential or try to find an unexpected bargain. It’s as simple as that and it’s why DL is such a hard negotiator. I see Spurs as a house of cards with the massive infrastructure improvements we’ve made at such a massive cost- one bad mistake could bring the whole lot crashing down or we can continue building extremely carefully until we are the strongest and best in the country. And not a Sheikh in sight. It’s the right way and patience is required. And I’m the bloke in the nineties that had a massive row with the wife over the astronomical amounts I was spending on the likes of Clubcall and TEAMtalk phone lines because I was so addicted to transfer news. With this squad there just isn’t the need to get so over-excited. We’re in good shape.

Completely agree with this. Don’t get me wrong my mood has shifted continually throughout the window but as it draws to the end I’m prepared to see what happens and trust the board to do the right thing. Once the football starts most of this hyperbole disappears anyway and we focus on what matters. The early ITK this summer suggested big plans were in place and it was hard not to be excited by the prospect of 2/3 high class signings to add to the squad. Last season it definitely felt like in those big moments against Juve and Man Utd we were short of options from the bench and therefore a Martial or Zaha would be lovely but it does seem to be a difficult market. When you read that WBA want £20m each for Craig Dawson and Jay Rodriguez you know prices have become obscene. If the whole market is like this then you need to take a stance sometimes. Even the Bayern chairman was saying something similar last week so it’s affecting everyone.

I can’t believe Levy doesn’t progress and is trying to get something big over the line in these next few days. It’s pretty pointless to speculate the reason nothing has happened yet as none of us really know but logic tells you it’s not a result of him not wanting to do it or to back Poch. Everything I’ve read from either of them suggests they are in close contact all the time on transfer matters.

If nothing happens before the windows shuts and it becomes clear Levy is to blame that’s different but we have no evidence yet that’s the case, just opinions.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

Completely agree with this. Don’t get me wrong my mood has shifted continually throughout the window but as it draws to the end I’m prepared to see what happens and trust the board to do the right thing. Once the football starts most of this hyperbole disappears anyway and we focus on what matters. The early ITK this summer suggested big plans were in place and it was hard not to be excited by the prospect of 2/3 high class signings to add to the squad. Last season it definitely felt like in those big moments against Juve and Man Utd we were short of options from the bench and therefore a Martial or Zaha would be lovely but it does seem to be a difficult market. When you read that WBA want £20m each for Craig Dawson and Jay Rodriguez you know prices have become obscene. If the whole market is like this then you need to take a stance sometimes. Even the Bayern chairman was saying something similar last week so it’s affecting everyone.

I can’t believe Levy doesn’t progress and is trying to get something big over the line in these next few days. It’s pretty pointless to speculate the reason nothing has happened yet as none of us really know but logic tells you it’s not a result of him not wanting to do it or to back Poch. Everything I’ve read from either of them suggests they are in close contact all the time on transfer matters.

If nothing happens before the windows shuts and it becomes clear Levy is to blame that’s different but we have no evidence yet that’s the case, just opinions.

Great post to calm me down. It is literally a game of poker for big boyz

 

[Ossie'sAardvark]

Completely agree with this. Don’t get me wrong my mood has shifted continually throughout the window but as it draws to the end I’m prepared to see what happens and trust the board to do the right thing. Once the football starts most of this hyperbole disappears anyway and we focus on what matters. The early ITK this summer suggested big plans were in place and it was hard not to be excited by the prospect of 2/3 high class signings to add to the squad. Last season it definitely felt like in those big moments against Juve and Man Utd we were short of options from the bench and therefore a Martial or Zaha would be lovely but it does seem to be a difficult market. When you read that WBA want £20m each for Craig Dawson and Jay Rodriguez you know prices have become obscene. If the whole market is like this then you need to take a stance sometimes. Even the Bayern chairman was saying something similar last week so it’s affecting everyone.

I can’t believe Levy doesn’t progress and is trying to get something big over the line in these next few days. It’s pretty pointless to speculate the reason nothing has happened yet as none of us really know but logic tells you it’s not a result of him not wanting to do it or to back Poch. Everything I’ve read from either of them suggests they are in close contact all the time on transfer matters.

If nothing happens before the windows shuts and it becomes clear Levy is to blame that’s different but we have no evidence yet that’s the case, just opinions.

Bloody logical and sensible....., you have no business being here with that type of thing.

 

[hellava_tough]

As I have said, coaches at Spurs have viewed the transfer market as far less important than fans do. Why is this?

I’m going to work by analogy that (completely coincidentally) an academy coach at spurs told me. We were discussing why people buy lottery tickets. I said I thought it was ridiculous and irrational because the chances of winning are so slim. He agreed but said the reason people buy lottery tickets is not because they think they’ll win - but because the 10 minutes around buying the ticket every week gives them a chance to escape humdrum reality and fantasise about what they’d spend the money on. That is worth the couple of quid they spend every week.

And he’s bloody right !!

And here’s the thing ... the transfer window is EXCATLY THE SAME THING FOR FOOTBALL FANS. It is not (only) that there might be rational reasons for buying players that everyone gets so fraught... it is because buying players .. especially big money signings... gives us an opportunity to fantasise about the potential that the side now has and the things we might achieve. It’s the same beautiful escapism as buying a lottery ticket.

That is why Hercules’ early itk was such a powerful aphrodisiac.

However people who have a professional responsibility to deal with those players day to day acknowledge that there are so many factors to success (just like there are in your line of work!). Here are a very few:
- Squad cohesion
- Clear strategy
- Staying injury free / fitness
- Buying the right players on a mental, emotional, technical and tactical dimension.
- Luck

But there are loads more.

Signing players is a really important piece of the puzzle but only if they are the right players and only at the right price.

I’ll add something else on - success correlates more strongly with wages than transfer fees. Look at Real Madrid the last couple of years or Bayern’s consistency. And our moves to tie down our best players...

Fair play to you LP, you're trying to promote a healthy and polite debate in this forum. I've got to respect that, because there are so many emotionally driven and even vitriolic posters in here, so what you're trying to do is a good thing.

Added to that, you make some individually valid points, but overall your post isn't as coherent as it could be and doesn't address the key question that was raised:

Is it to be assumed that entering the transfer market every summer, is better than not entering the transfer market every summer?

You've mentioned why fans get a thrill from transfers.
You've mentioned other factors in the creation and maintenance of a successful football squad.
You've mentioned luck.
You've mentioned a club has to sign 'the right players'.
You've mentioned 'the right price'.
You've mentioned wages.

All good and important things.

But you haven't answered the question.

I think what you're trying to say is that (i) fans just wanting any old signings, or (ii) clubs taking a scatter-gun approach to signings, are self-defeating actions.

If that it what you're saying, then I'd agree with you, but I'd also call it a straw-man argument, because I don't think anyone is actually suggesting that these 2 things are positive in anyway.

And finally, what I stated was that footballing professionals decide to take a punt in the transfer market every season, which heavily suggests that strategy has some sort of merit in one or more of the short, medium and long-term.

 

[dtxspurs]

I'm sure there are funds available. I've not seen any media report or ITK saying we have no money, on the contrary, we've been told repeatedly by different ITK that our lack of transfers isn't about money.

Cmon Tiger, you're smarter than that. If it was all about HG we would have done the Zaha and Grealish deals. This is 100% about money, Levy doesn't want to get caught with his pants down after the window with Sissoko, GKN, Dembele, Llortente and Janssen on the books and other teams taking advantage of that. Levy, along with many others, and his ego thought they could push around the rest of Europe with moving the window and it has completely screwed us in that regard.

If it wasn't about money he would have risked it, bought the players in we needed and said fuck it to whatever happened with that crew.

 

[Snarfalicious]

We're seeing first hand what happens when you make some knee-jerk purchases and the subsequent fallout of trying to offload them after you come to the realization that you can polish a turd, but it's still a turd.

We're stuck with some players that no one wants at the value we expect to receive. If any time called for Levy to "lose out on the deal(s)," this is it. If we can't shift some players, we're looking at a bigger uphill battle just to get Top 4. I'm not saying sell players for peanuts, but, unless there's absolutely zero interest, we need to be willing to take a slight hit on the valuation in order to address the squad that will actually be here come September.

That being said, I understand not everything in football/transfers is that easy.

 

[dudu]

Cmon Tiger, you're smarter than that. If it was all about HG we would have done the Zaha and Grealish deals. This is 100% about money, Levy doesn't want to get caught with his pants down after the window with Sissoko, GKN, Dembele, Llortente and Janssen on the books and other teams taking advantage of that. Levy, along with many others, and his ego thought they could push around the rest of Europe with moving the window and it has completely screwed us in that regard.

If it wasn't about money he would have risked it, bought the players in we needed and said fuck it to whatever happened with that crew.

So we sign one player at an inflated price with inflated wages etc.... Then what happens? We lose all our bargaining chips and pay way over the odds the next time aswell.

While it's clearly not the best strategy to low ball everyone and pray they bite, your 'strategy' is similarly as foolish and will leave us with our pants down all the same.

 

[dtxspurs]

So we sign one player at an inflated price with inflated wages etc.... Then what happens? We lose all our bargaining chips and pay way over the odds the next time aswell.

While it's clearly not the best strategy to low ball everyone and pray they bite, your 'strategy' is similarly as foolish and will leave us with our pants down all the same.

Well the other option seems to be sign no one at the moment so you tell me which is a smarter strategy in the long run?